Nadal being out of the top 4 at the French Open is looking like a possibility

[bruce38]

So far I am seeing that Nadal sucks,lucked out a lot of his wins,shouldn't even be uttered in the same sentence as fed(even though the two of them have been tennis in the last five years),you probably think he is a doper as well etc. Where are all the nice things you mention?

And nice touch with the sweeping generalization of *********ism.

Go look at my threads. I said Nadal is a great player. Best on clay, etc etc

 

[Mustard]

All this trolling since Nadal's loss to Murray has been pathetic in the extreme.

 

[LafayetteHitter]

All this trolling since Nadal's loss to Murray has been pathetic in the extreme.

Is there anyone on the planet earth that actually believes after a match like Murray-Nadal last night that there are not going to be comments and people discussing the loss, especially on a 'tennis forum'? I mean come on let's get real. If it was Federer that had a loss the Nadal fanatics would be on here insulting him left and right. Get over it and suck up the loss like Nadal is doing right now.

 

[LafayetteHitter]

I just browsed the 09 record for Nadal and after the Australian he sure didn't accomplish much.

 

[Mustard]

Is there anyone on the planet earth that actually believes after a match like Murray-Nadal last night that there are not going to be comments and people discussing the loss, especially on a 'tennis forum'? I mean come on let's get real. If it was Federer that had a loss the Nadal fanatics would be on here insulting him left and right. Get over it and suck up the loss like Nadal is doing right now.

There's a considerable difference between discussing the match and trolling. The former is to discuss, while the latter is to annoy fans in order to provoke a response.

 

[Mustard]

I just browsed the 09 record for Nadal and after the Australian he sure didn't accomplish much.

He won Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome after the Australian Open, and reached the final of Madrid. I'd say that's close to domination of the first 5 months of the year.

 

[JennyS]

He won Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome after the Australian Open, and reached the final of Madrid. I'd say that's close to domination of the first 5 months of the year.

Yes, he was absolutely dominant and that's why he has so many damn points to defend now!

 

[LafayetteHitter]

There's a considerable difference between discussing the match and trolling. The former is to discuss, while the latter is to annoy fans in order to provoke a response.

This will always be the case with a loss. Some of the 'very' same people that are crying about Nadal getting picked on will be slamming Fed and calling for him to retire if he loses tomorrow. Mark my words, better yet I will go back and highlight some posts if he loses to compare. It's a guarantee.

 

[namelessone]

This will always be the case with a loss. Some of the 'very' same people that are crying about Nadal getting picked on will be slamming Fed and calling for him to retire if he loses tomorrow. Mark my words, better yet I will go back and highlight some posts if he loses to compare. It's a guarantee.

Depends what you mean by some people. You can't lump people together just because they like the same player. Now if I were to complain about trolling on Nadal and I would do the same when Fed loses then I would agree but you can't take Nadal fans(or any group of fans) as a whole when there are sensible fans,trolls or pure and simple ****s.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

You're still actually scared of Rafa even though he has been in the pits since May last year?

The guy's made the semis of the US Open, finals of Shanghai, Quarters of the Aussie open, and now he's in the pits?


He's playing below his best, but like Federer, he's still playing well.

 

[namelessone]

The guy's made the semis of the US Open, finals of Shanghai, Quarters of the Aussie open, and now he's in the pits?


He's playing below his best, but like Federer, he's still playing well.

Rafa has made 2 finals(shaghai and doha) in almost 7 months and has 0 titles to his name. And his game is really fluctuating not to mention his health. He was damn good in doha and only above average in AO(way before the murray match).

 

[bruce38]

Rafa has made 2 finals(shaghai and doha) in almost 7 months and has 0 titles to his name. And his game is really fluctuating not to mention his health. He was damn good in doha and only above average in AO(way before the murray match).

It has nothing to do with his health really. He was never that good to begin with. *********s have an inflated value of how good Nadal is because of 2008 in which he achieved what he did because of Fed being sick.

 

[namelessone]

It has nothing to do with his health really. He was never that good to begin with. *********s have an inflated value of how good Nadal is because of 2008 in which he achieved what he did because of Fed being sick.

Fed was sick in AO and in the first third of the year and it showed on his face. Some of you make it sound as if he was dying when in fact he made 3 GS finals that year,being battered badly in one(but to be frank he gave up in the second set in RG),losing the other in five sets with a 9-7 in the tiebreaker(mono must have played a role there or did the rain break dispel the mono when fed was two sets down?) and winning USO. It is quite possible that he could have won AO had djoker been eliminated early on. And please don't bring the "but he lost to fish,karlovic and so on" argument around here since federer doesn't really give a crap about non-slams since about 2007(hell,madrid 2009 was his first masters since the end of 2007 if I am not mistaken). Federer only plays in masters when he feels he has something to prove a la madrid 2009 or cincy 09'. Fed was lackluster in the early rounds of cincy basically handed ferrer the match but he wouldn't take it and later blitzed through djokovic and murray afterwards when no one saw it coming.

Everything clicked with Nadal in 2008,that's why he made semi's in all 4 GS's and won two of them. Winning RG was hardly surprising since Fed lost 4 RG's to Nadal and Nadal pushed him to four and five before at WB so again this was hardly suprising.Mono Fed went to the final without losing a set. Non mono Fed lost a set and was almost led 2-0 by his pigeon Roddick in the final. Did Fed have mono when he brain farted in the AO final in the first and fifth set? Or when to lost to wawrinka? When he threw a racket in miami? Nope,it was just low confidence on fed's part,just like Nadal is having for the last few months. Nothing clicked for him just like nothing is clicking for Nadal. The difference is that Fed had got healthy by this point whereas Nadal is having more and more physical problems.

How can you claim any objectivity about Nadal when you post something like this,taking away credit from Nadal,even though he won against Fed(and others) in tightly contested matches?

 

[malakas]

Yes, he was absolutely dominant and that's why he has so many damn points to defend now!

yes he better step it up now,coz it doesn't look good at all.He could very well fall behind DP and Davydenko.Davy loves clay and he was injured at the time so he can earn tons of points.

 

[bruce38]

Fed was sick in AO and in the first third of the year and it showed on his face. Some of you make it sound as if he was dying when in fact he made 3 GS finals that year,being battered badly in one(but to be frank he gave up in the second set in RG),losing the other in five sets with a 9-7 in the tiebreaker(mono must have played a role there or did the rain break dispel the mono when fed was two sets down?) and winning USO. It is quite possible that he could have won AO had djoker been eliminated early on. And please don't bring the "but he lost to fish,karlovic and so on" argument around here since federer doesn't really give a crap about non-slams since about 2007(hell,madrid 2009 was his first masters since the end of 2007 if I am not mistaken). Federer only plays in masters when he feels he has something to prove a la madrid 2009 or cincy 09'. Fed was lackluster in the early rounds of cincy basically handed ferrer the match but he wouldn't take it and later blitzed through djokovic and murray afterwards when no one saw it coming.

Everything clicked with Nadal in 2008,that's why he made semi's in all 4 GS's and won two of them. Winning RG was hardly surprising since Fed lost 4 RG's to Nadal and Nadal pushed him to four and five before at WB so again this was hardly suprising.Mono Fed went to the final without losing a set. Non mono Fed lost a set and was almost led 2-0 by his pigeon Roddick in the final. Did Fed have mono when he brain farted in the AO final in the first and fifth set? Or when to lost to wawrinka? When he threw a racket in miami? Nope,it was just low confidence on fed's part,just like Nadal is having for the last few months. Nothing clicked for him just like nothing is clicking for Nadal. The difference is that Fed had got healthy by this point whereas Nadal is having more and more physical problems.

How can you claim any objectivity about Nadal when you post something like this,taking away credit from Nadal,even though he won against Fed(and others) in tightly contested matches?

Fed sick is good enough to beat anyone except a 100% Nadal. That's why it seemed to blind people like you that he was not sick throughout 2008. He was.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Kolya's injury was the best thing to ever happen to him

 

[bruce38]

Fed was sick in AO and in the first third of the year and it showed on his face. Some of you make it sound as if he was dying when in fact he made 3 GS finals that year,being battered badly in one(but to be frank he gave up in the second set in RG),losing the other in five sets with a 9-7 in the tiebreaker(mono must have played a role there or did the rain break dispel the mono when fed was two sets down?) and winning USO. It is quite possible that he could have won AO had djoker been eliminated early on. And please don't bring the "but he lost to fish,karlovic and so on" argument around here since federer doesn't really give a crap about non-slams since about 2007(hell,madrid 2009 was his first masters since the end of 2007 if I am not mistaken). Federer only plays in masters when he feels he has something to prove a la madrid 2009 or cincy 09'. Fed was lackluster in the early rounds of cincy basically handed ferrer the match but he wouldn't take it and later blitzed through djokovic and murray afterwards when no one saw it coming.

Everything clicked with Nadal in 2008,that's why he made semi's in all 4 GS's and won two of them. Winning RG was hardly surprising since Fed lost 4 RG's to Nadal and Nadal pushed him to four and five before at WB so again this was hardly suprising.Mono Fed went to the final without losing a set. Non mono Fed lost a set and was almost led 2-0 by his pigeon Roddick in the final. Did Fed have mono when he brain farted in the AO final in the first and fifth set? Or when to lost to wawrinka? When he threw a racket in miami? Nope,it was just low confidence on fed's part,just like Nadal is having for the last few months. Nothing clicked for him just like nothing is clicking for Nadal. The difference is that Fed had got healthy by this point whereas Nadal is having more and more physical problems.

How can you claim any objectivity about Nadal when you post something like this,taking away credit from Nadal,even though he won against Fed(and others) in tightly contested matches?

Sure when Nadal does well give him credit, when he does not do well take credit away from the opponent. Same old story with you. Everything did not click with Nadal in 2008. It only happened because of Fed. The match is always on Fed's racket, except at RG.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

Fed was sick in AO and in the first third of the year and it showed on his face. Some of you make it sound as if he was dying when in fact he made 3 GS finals that year,being battered badly in one(but to be frank he gave up in the second set in RG),losing the other in five sets with a 9-7 in the tiebreaker(mono must have played a role there or did the rain break dispel the mono when fed was two sets down?) and winning USO. It is quite possible that he could have won AO had djoker been eliminated early on. And please don't bring the "but he lost to fish,karlovic and so on" argument around here since federer doesn't really give a crap about non-slams since about 2007(hell,madrid 2009 was his first masters since the end of 2007 if I am not mistaken). Federer only plays in masters when he feels he has something to prove a la madrid 2009 or cincy 09'. Fed was lackluster in the early rounds of cincy basically handed ferrer the match but he wouldn't take it and later blitzed through djokovic and murray afterwards when no one saw it coming.

Everything clicked with Nadal in 2008,that's why he made semi's in all 4 GS's and won two of them. Winning RG was hardly surprising since Fed lost 4 RG's to Nadal and Nadal pushed him to four and five before at WB so again this was hardly suprising.Mono Fed went to the final without losing a set. Non mono Fed lost a set and was almost led 2-0 by his pigeon Roddick in the final. Did Fed have mono when he brain farted in the AO final in the first and fifth set? Or when to lost to wawrinka? When he threw a racket in miami? Nope,it was just low confidence on fed's part,just like Nadal is having for the last few months. Nothing clicked for him just like nothing is clicking for Nadal. The difference is that Fed had got healthy by this point whereas Nadal is having more and more physical problems.

How can you claim any objectivity about Nadal when you post something like this,taking away credit from Nadal,even though he won against Fed(and others) in tightly contested matches?

What's to say that he's not still sufferng those confidence problems and faking the injuries? It's a possibilty.

 

[namelessone]

Sure when Nadal does well give him credit, when he does not do well take credit away from the opponent. Same old story with you. Everything did not click with Nadal in 2008. It only happened because of Fed. The match is always on Fed's racket, except at RG.

So why the hell did Nadal gain a set off Fed in WB 06'? Where was Fed's racket in that set? Why did he push Fed to five in WB 07'? Were Fed and his racket still suffering from mono in AO 09'?

You are wrong about Nadal 08'. Not only did he beat Fed he had some good wins over guys who are beating him today like murray,djoker,delpo. See his queens match with djoker for some hard hitting tennis. Or their olympics showdown. Hell even the match with murray which he lost at USO 08' was pretty good. Nadal's 08'-early 09' was one of the best seasons by any player in early memory,barring Federer of course.

 

[namelessone]

What's to say that he's not still sufferng those confidence problems and faking the injuries? It's a possibilty.

It doesn't hold water. He is willing to go down to delpotro triple 6-2 but he isn't willing to lose to murray(and he knows murray for a longer time than delpo so there isn't any bad blood between the two) in three sets? He doesn't retire in all his bad,humiliating defeats in the summer-autumn stretch but suddenly he feels the need to retire in a Slam? I don't buy it. Nadal could have very well retired in the delpo match with stomach problems(his serve was hampered by it) but he didn't cause his legs were ok. While Nadal can run he is fine. When he can't,he will call it quits.

 

[bruce38]

So why the hell did Nadal gain a set off Fed in WB 06'? Where was Fed's racket in that set? Why did he push Fed to five in WB 07'? Were Fed and his racket still suffering from mono in AO 09'?

You are wrong about Nadal 08'. Not only did he beat Fed he had some good wins over guys who are beating him today like murray,djoker,delpo. See his queens match with djoker for some hard hitting tennis. Or their olympics showdown. Hell even the match with murray which he lost at USO 08' was pretty good. Nadal's 08'-early 09' was one of the best seasons by any player in early memory,barring Federer of course.

Fed is not perfect, but he's as close to it as possible. No I'm not wrong about 08. The proof is now. Nadal will never repeat 08 because it was a fluke. That's what flukes are, unrepeatable.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

It doesn't hold water. He is willing to go down to delpotro triple 6-2 but he isn't willing to lose to murray(and he knows murray for a longer time than delpo so there isn't any bad blood between the two) in three sets? He doesn't retire in all his bad,humiliating defeats in the summer-autumn stretch but suddenly he feels the need to retire in a Slam? I don't buy it. Nadal could have very well retired in the delpo match with stomach problems(his serve was hampered by it) but he didn't cause his legs were ok. While Nadal can run he is fine. When he can't,he will call it quits.

Fair enough

 

[namelessone]

Fed is not perfect, but he's as close to it as possible. No I'm not wrong about 08. The proof is now. Nadal will never repeat 08 because it was a fluke. That's what flukes are, unrepeatable.

A fluke year? Damn,I heard of a fluke match,maybe even a fluke GS but a fluke year? Nadal was 4000 points clear of the first place before his bad scheduling did him in physically,he basically lost 4000 points in 2-3 months whereas before he had dominated the first 5 months of the year. And I'm pretty sure Federer wasn't the only one he played.

The proof is not now. Federer is being taken to five sets more than before but now the culprits name isn't nadal it is delpotro. But now he's just aging right? It's not mono,it can't be. When Federer was being taken to five sets twice by a young claycourter in WB(his main rival) it was mono. When roddick,his pigeon,did it it was because Fed was aging. When Nadal took him to five in AO it was Fed brain cramping. In the eyes of blind haters such as yourself Nadal cannot possibly win off clay against Fed even though his first win against the swiss came on HC.

Face it,Nadal is just a bad matchup for Fed and if there was no Federer,who is the GOAT,Nadal would have probably been nr.1 for two years or more because he won at least 1 slam a year and several masters shields(he has 15 at 23 years of age).Hell,with no Fed Nadal could have potentially repeated Borg's 3 RG-WB doubles in 2006-2008. You cannot fluke that.

 

[bruce38]

A fluke year? Damn,I heard of a fluke match,maybe even a fluke GS but a fluke year? Nadal was 4000 points clear of the first place before his bad scheduling did him in physically,he basically lost 4000 points in 2-3 months whereas before he had dominated the first 5 months of the year. And I'm pretty sure Federer wasn't the only one he played.

The proof is not now. Federer is being taken to five sets more than before but now the culprits name isn't nadal it is delpotro. But now he's just aging right? It's not mono,it can't be. When Federer was being taken to five sets twice by a young claycourter in WB(his main rival) it was mono. When roddick,his pigeon,did it it was because Fed was aging. When Nadal took him to five in AO it was Fed brain cramping. In the eyes of blind haters such as yourself Nadal cannot possibly win off clay against Fed even though his first win against the swiss came on HC.

Face it,Nadal is just a bad matchup for Fed and if there was no Federer,who is the GOAT,Nadal would have probably been nr.1 for two years or more because he won at least 1 slam a year and several masters shields(he has 15 at 23 years of age).Hell,with no Fed Nadal could have potentially repeated Borg's 3 RG-WB doubles in 2006-2008. You cannot fluke that.

All of that happened because Fed was out of it for 2008. I agree Fed is a shell of what he used to be in 2006, but he's still getting deeper in the slams than Nadal. in AO09, Fed had back problems, he's said it many times. Master's shields are meaningless only slams count. Nadal winning FO is not fluke. Winning W and AO was a fluke. It happened because Fed was off, not because Nadal is that good in reality. The proof is now. He could not repeat AO10 being 100% healthy.

 

[namelessone]

All of that happened because Fed was out of it for 2008. I agree Fed is a shell of what he used to be in 2006, but he's still getting deeper in the slams than Nadal. in AO09, Fed had back problems, he's said it many times. Master's shields are meaningless only slams count. Nadal winning FO is not fluke. Winning W and AO was a fluke. It happened because Fed was off, not because Nadal is that good in reality. The proof is now. He could not repeat AO10 being 100% healthy.

Facts don't back up your words. Federer humiliates delpo and roddick in quarters and semi's and he was the MASSIVE favourite in AO but he brain farted in the fifth when he had all the momentum. Obviously you can't remember the great shotmaking from both guys so I won't go there. After he lost the back problem subject started(another one I heard was that he still had mono) coming up again because he had lost in five sets a match which should have been a straight sets win for him. Fed's problem is in his head against Nadal,not in his back or any other body part. How the hell did he humiliate his opponents on the way to the final but fail to capitalize against Nadal(and it was always Nadal,until recently that is)? Same for WB 08'. He smashed everyone but got pushed to five. Hell,even in WB 07' he smashed everyone and was pushed to five. By who? By Nadal.

Your unit of measure is all wrong. Federer is great at all slams.That's a fact.
Nadal is great at RG and WB,not AO and USO.Again,fact. Nadal has a good or bad year depending on whether he wins one of the natural surfaces slams,not the HC slams. That's why 09' sucked for him. Out of his 8 GS finals,7 have come in RG-WB and the one he won in AO was the most hard won GS I have seen in a long,long time.It was unlikely to happen again. He only has made 2 AO semi's and 2 USO semi's,you can't assess his year by these slams.

But then again,why argue with you? According to you Nadal has probably been healthy all these years and is just faking it when he feels the need to hit the beaches of mallorca or something.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

I take back my comments, watched the match (well in and out), and supposedly Rafa was crying when he was leaving the court. He was truly distraught. The guy's gotta be injured.

 

[bruce38]

Facts don't back up your words. Federer humiliates delpo and roddick in quarters and semi's and he was the MASSIVE favourite in AO but he brain farted in the fifth when he had all the momentum. Obviously you can't remember the great shotmaking from both guys so I won't go there. After he lost the back problem subject started(another one I heard was that he still had mono) coming up again because he had lost in five sets a match which should have been a straight sets win for him. Fed's problem is in his head against Nadal,not in his back or any other body part. How the hell did he humiliate his opponents on the way to the final but fail to capitalize against Nadal(and it was always Nadal,until recently that is)? Same for WB 08'. He smashed everyone but got pushed to five. Hell,even in WB 07' he smashed everyone and was pushed to five. By who? By Nadal.

Your unit of measure is all wrong. Federer is great at all slams.That's a fact.
Nadal is great at RG and WB,not AO and USO.Again,fact. Nadal has a good or bad year depending on whether he wins one of the natural surfaces slams,not the HC slams. That's why 09' sucked for him. Out of his 8 GS finals,7 have come in RG-WB and the one he won in AO was the most hard won GS I have seen in a long,long time.It was unlikely to happen again. He only has made 2 AO semi's and 2 USO semi's,you can't assess his year by these slams.

But then again,why argue with you? According to you Nadal has probably been healthy all these years and is just faking it when he feels the need to hit the beaches of mallorca or something.

Why do you only consider Roddick and Delpo? What did he do with Berdych? Typical ********* picking and choosing. Get some objectivity please.

 

[bruce38]

Facts don't back up your words. Federer humiliates delpo and roddick in quarters and semi's and he was the MASSIVE favourite in AO but he brain farted in the fifth when he had all the momentum. Obviously you can't remember the great shotmaking from both guys so I won't go there. After he lost the back problem subject started(another one I heard was that he still had mono) coming up again because he had lost in five sets a match which should have been a straight sets win for him. Fed's problem is in his head against Nadal,not in his back or any other body part. How the hell did he humiliate his opponents on the way to the final but fail to capitalize against Nadal(and it was always Nadal,until recently that is)? Same for WB 08'. He smashed everyone but got pushed to five. Hell,even in WB 07' he smashed everyone and was pushed to five. By who? By Nadal.

Your unit of measure is all wrong. Federer is great at all slams.That's a fact.
Nadal is great at RG and WB,not AO and USO.Again,fact. Nadal has a good or bad year depending on whether he wins one of the natural surfaces slams,not the HC slams. That's why 09' sucked for him. Out of his 8 GS finals,7 have come in RG-WB and the one he won in AO was the most hard won GS I have seen in a long,long time.It was unlikely to happen again. He only has made 2 AO semi's and 2 USO semi's,you can't assess his year by these slams.

But then again,why argue with you? According to you Nadal has probably been healthy all these years and is just faking it when he feels the need to hit the beaches of mallorca or something.

I don't think Nadal has been healthy all these years. I just say he achieved what he did because Fed was not healthy. And hence his value is overrated. The proof is now. Completely healthy in AO10, defending champ. And get's taken out by a no slam wonder.

 

[namelessone]

Why do you only consider Roddick and Delpo? What did he do with Berdych? Typical ********* picking and choosing. Get some objectivity please.

Ditto.

Berdych,Tipsarevic,Andreev-all had their chances because of mono fed,right?

Luckily for Roger he was able to fight off the disease and make most GS finals in the 2008-early 2009 period and just like before,ignore the smaller events.
What happened in RG 09' with haas,acasuso,delpo? Fed just getting old,right? Probably the same with roddick pushing him to five in WB. In 2009 he was getting old,in 2008 he had mono,right? The funny bit is that while suffering from this disease Federer mantained a high level of endurance in GS(three out of five) and displayed enough skill to easily make 3 out of 4 finals in 2008. When Nadal and mono got out of the way he got back to winning at least 2 GS's a year,three if he hadn't toyed with delpo. Isn't that funny?

Federer is so resilient that we should inject him with all kinds of poisons,maybe he we can discover some cures along the way since he can win Grand Slams while having a disease that leaves some at home,sick in bed.

Look,Nadal is a bad matchup for Federer on all courts. He beat fed in 2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009. Who can brag about having wins over the swiss in six consecutive years and on three surfaces? But those are probably just flukes.

 

[namelessone]

I don't think Nadal has been healthy all these years. I just say he achieved what he did because was not healthy. And hence his value is overrated. The proof is now. Completely healthy in AO10, defending champ. And get's taken out by a no slam wonder.

Nadal has achieved all he has in the periods he was healthy. You would know this if you actually followed his progress. His whole career has been made up of streaks until his body can't take it anymore or he switches onto HC.

A no slam wonder who,along with davydenko,is playing the best tennis here in AO.

 

[Mustard]

Sure when Nadal does well give him credit, when he does not do well take credit away from the opponent. Same old story with you. Everything did not click with Nadal in 2008. It only happened because of Fed. The match is always on Fed's racket, except at RG.

Keeping digging that hole a little deeper, why don't you? :roll:

 

[bruce38]

Nadal has achieved all he has in the periods he was healthy. You would know this if you actually followed his progress. His whole career has been made up of streaks until his body can't take it anymore or he switches onto HC.

A no slam wonder who,along with davydenko,is playing the best tennis here in AO.

Murray faced nobodies before Nadal, you don't know he was playing the best tennis. Only in hindsight you do. I do follow Nadal's progress, quite intently in 2008, every match. HE won because Fed was not himself. He was lucky. Proof? It won't happen again. Data? Yesterday.

 

[bruce38]

Keeping digging that hole a little deeper, why don't you? :roll:

WHat you talking about Willis?

 

[Mustard]

WHat you talking about Willis?

Nadal had Federer's number in 2008, and even beat Federer in his own domain. Nadal was at his absolute best from the clay season up until the Olympics. Federer was just not going to stop him with the way Nadal was playing at that time. The 2008 Hamburg final confirmed that for me, because nearly every variable was in Federer's favour for that match, and yet Nadal still won.

 

[JennyS]

Here are the latest final AO rankings:

Djokovic: 8,310: will be #2 or #3 depending on Murray's result
Nadal: 7,670: will be #3 or #4 depending on Murray's result
Del Potro: 6,400
Davydenko: 5,290

Points to defend before clay season:
Nadal: 1,480
Del Potro: 675
Davydenko: 0

 

[rafan]

It doesn't hold water. He is willing to go down to delpotro triple 6-2 but he isn't willing to lose to murray(and he knows murray for a longer time than delpo so there isn't any bad blood between the two) in three sets? He doesn't retire in all his bad,humiliating defeats in the summer-autumn stretch but suddenly he feels the need to retire in a Slam? I don't buy it. Nadal could have very well retired in the delpo match with stomach problems(his serve was hampered by it) but he didn't cause his legs were ok. While Nadal can run he is fine. When he can't,he will call it quits.

One of the better uk commentators (I think it was Greg Rodestki excuse spelling) said that Nadal has the knees of a forty year old. He didn't mean this unkindly because he has always admired him. This, if true, is very sad. Nadal is a colourful character and well liked, regardless of the few on this site who say daft things. At the moment things seem really depressing. I mean how long is he going on like this. When he gets a good match going he will have to stop because of pain or take care. I mean Nadal taking care?

 

[coloskier]

I think we need to inject some reality into this discussion. There is a very good chance that Nadal will not be returning until after Wimbldeon. He said that something different happened this time, which probably means he'll need his knee scoped and cleaned out, which could mean at least 6 months of rehab. And I don't think he really wants to make a comeback in the middle of the summer hardcourt season if he is trying to rest his knees.

 

[Ledigs]

what does scoped and cleaned out mean?

 

[Tsonga#1fan]

I don't think the organizers of the FO would ever put Nadal in the same quarter or even the same half as Roger, even if Nadal were to drop below #4. Frankly, these two guys are head and shoulders above everyone else on clay and until someone else starts winning the clay court tourneys consistently or wins the FO, that will hold true and it would be completely F'd up if they put Nadal and Fed in the same half or quarter of the draw.

Most tournaments don't have the prestige or balls to manipulate the seeding process just to keep certain players on opposite sides of the draw. Not even Wimbledon would do something that "F'd" up as you put it.