Lol, 'ole Vernon got his clock cleaned by you and the two posts that preceded yours, kinda like Darcic vs Nadal, no?
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Nadal can not play on grass anymore
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Lol, 'ole Vernon got his clock cleaned by you and the two posts that preceded yours, kinda like Darcic vs Nadal, no?
Um......Er,uh, erm....erm........DERP!.....
There is a lot of 'no' in this post, considering grass is the most joint friendly surface on tour, along with clay. Do you play tennis? If anything, he should cut down on HC tournaments.
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^ Grass sends less vibrations through the bones than hardcourt HOWEVER Nadal said his knees have major problems on grass because he has to bend his knees a lot more (in week one of Wimbledon) than on any other surface.
I remember him saying that he was scared when he had to bend his knees a lot at Wimbledon 2012 because his knees had become worse than previous years.
I remember him saying that he was scared when he had to bend his knees a lot at Wimbledon 2012 because his knees had become worse than previous years.
tennisaddict
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Rafa has the fear of slipping down and hurting his tender knee permanently . You cannot blame him
Just curious, do you commentate on matches for T.V?
Provide source.
I also remembers Nadal saying himself being at fittest stage in his career before Wimbledon 2014.
This is obviously BS. Recently (After 2012 injury break) Nadal hasn't claimed knee pain just for once. He always says knee tendonitis problem has been resolved after several rounds of Plasma Rich Platelets Therapy back in 2012 which can be evidenced by his excellent 2013/14 results on hard courts. You don't win Montreal- Cincinnati- USO triplet with injured knee.
Exactly, how did Roger get back to No. 2 after 2013? Better living through chemistry. Those fore arm veins are popping ICYMI.
That would never "randomly" happen so moot point. Good point but moot. I just like to say moot.
moot.
(I know I know, I'm moot right? That's too easy.)
moot.
you make me laugh. by this logic 90% of pros do not have a complete game. if they don't have a complete game, how can we recs have one? basically it comes down to only top 4 minus nadal have a "complete game". when does one have a complete game?
you ain't even qualified to talk about grass court tennis. you didn't win a grass court final and you never will (at least ATP). you are to one dimensional and your game is not complete.
Starbuckingham
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Don't you realise Senti is joking?
Starbuckingham
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Wawrinka's backhand would have pulverised his back, no?
Wimbledon plays like slow and bouncy hard/clay court by middle of 2nd week.
Nadal should be able to excel if he gets to the 2nd week.
Last 4 years or so. It's Djokovic disrupting it. Nadal is so desperate to defend
French Open that it has been harder for Nadal to get thru early rounds.
Look at Nadal now. He need heavy clay season to recover his form yet again !
Nadal should be able to excel if he gets to the 2nd week.
Last 4 years or so. It's Djokovic disrupting it. Nadal is so desperate to defend
French Open that it has been harder for Nadal to get thru early rounds.
Look at Nadal now. He need heavy clay season to recover his form yet again !
Backspin1183
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No, Wimbledon doesn't play like clay at all. Murray already proved that. If every court played like clay Nadal would win all slams every year.
It slows by 2nd week. Maybe slows hard court speed but main court areas
get bald and bouncy. And the bouncy is uncertain. That is clay court in gist, IMHO.
Backspin1183
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It doesn't get slower by 2nd week but by then its no longer as low bouncing as in 1st week. Wimbledon has always been like that.
And slow court doesn't mean clay court. If you've ever played on a proper clay court, which I did in Switzerland for months, you'd know the kind of spin, topspin, backspin, side-spin you get on clay isn't on a grass/hard court. It's just not the same.
Starbuckingham
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He went to Gstaad to test his secret new tennis racquet. He did not want his top rivals to see the secret. It has a smart button which can buzz the umpire's seat when the opponents take more than 20s to bounce the ball and serve. A second button can send SMS to Mirka which contains words she should yell after some points...the list of words including: "Crybaby"
Fed went to 250CLAY instead of 250HC. Nadal went to 250 CLAY tournament. I'd like Nadal to be brave like Fed and go to 250HC such as Marseille or Delray Beach instead of Clay Rio. Well he lost in clay rio anyway he might just win marseille or delray or memphis LOL.
FYI Fed and Djok played ATP500 while Nad played ATP250 lol, scared much?
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BreakPoint
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"anymore"? He never could play on grass - real grass. Today's grass is closer to green clay or dirt.
chjtennis
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Nadal is an all time great. When an all time great is in his peak, he can win on any surface. Remember, even Courier, who was considered not having the game to be successful on grass, reached a Wimbledon final in his peak on 90s grass. However, clay is Nadal's best hunting ground and we all know that. As he gets removed from his peak, he will have to rely more on the surface he is most comfortable with and other surfaces will present more problems to him.
MichaelNadal
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I think for tennis that is a huge exaggeration.
Gary Duane
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Actually, by the end of the second week there is more grass left that what was left in the old days, when there was almost no grass left at all in places. How long have you been watching W? I agree that the grass now plays differently. But you are blowing it all out of proportion.
You are saying he could never play on grass because he is not a grass player.
Neither was Borg, and he won 5 times. He had to change his game to win on grass as much as Nadal.
In 2008
Nadal
:::::: Clay: 84/51 135 -------------------------FO
:::::: HC 87/30 117
:::::: Grass 95/22 117 ---------------------------- WIMBLY
51% of return games won on clay. 84% of service games on clay, a record by far for all the time the ATP has kept records.
Less than half the % of return games won, only 22% on grass. But 95% of service games won on grass.
HC was in between it always is.
Federer
:::::: Grass 96/23 119
:::::: HC 90 25 115 -------------------------------USO
:::::: Clay 84/32 116
The same thing. Serve is highest on grass, second on HC, lower on clay. Return % is reversed.
It's like this for every top player.
The idea that grass is like clay is a totally unsubstantiated myth.
Tennis_Hands
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Grass is for (swiss) cows, right?
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Candide
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Whoa, weird. Posted that in the wrong thread. Apologies.
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Grass is for cows, Nadal is a bull.
tennis_commentator
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But you don't get down as low on hardcourt for certain baseline shots when compared to grass.
Nadal said he was scared to bend his knees at 2012 Wimbledon.
I don't remember when he said it, but he said it (I think it was in a random interview, not the post-match interview).
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^ BTW I'm not saying Rosol beat Nadal because of Nadal's knees.
Rosol may have won anyway (Nadal played 2 five-setters in the first week of 2010 Wimbledon) and was outplayed in 2013 Wimbledon for attitude reasons--
“For me, what failed him most was his attitude. It is because of this we lost,” Toni said. “He didn’t face up to the game well. After a break of seven months, returning with many doubts, making a great effort and everything going very well, I think Rafa dropped his intensity a little.”
Rosol may have won anyway (Nadal played 2 five-setters in the first week of 2010 Wimbledon) and was outplayed in 2013 Wimbledon for attitude reasons--
“For me, what failed him most was his attitude. It is because of this we lost,” Toni said. “He didn’t face up to the game well. After a break of seven months, returning with many doubts, making a great effort and everything going very well, I think Rafa dropped his intensity a little.”
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He's still the second best overall on grass in the era, though that might change with the way Djokovic has been competing at Wimbledon as of late.
And yeah, Grass is for cows...but Clay is for bricks.
And yeah, Grass is for cows...but Clay is for bricks.
Tennis_Hands
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Stick a Lance in the Nadal.
BreakPoint
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So Nadal found a time machine and transported himself back to 1994?
BreakPoint
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Borg became a serve and volleyer on grass. Has Nadal? Not in your wildest dreams. Nadal plays pretty much the same way on grass as on other surfaces - baseline bashing.
There's a good reason why Nadal has had so much trouble over the years playing in the first few rounds of Wimbledon when the grass is fresh and closer to real grass.
John McEnroe says five years ago:
"Why is Nadal number one?" said McEnroe. "I think because he volleys
better, I think better than Federer now. He improved his serve. He took
steps to make himself better."
But McEnroe is just one of the best volleyers in the history of the tennis where as there are posters here with over 10,000 posts who know otherwise.
As McEnroe himself would say (I know I've read it somewhere), "You CANNOT be serious!"
Hilarious!
"Why is Nadal number one?" said McEnroe. "I think because he volleys
better, I think better than Federer now. He improved his serve. He took
steps to make himself better."
But McEnroe is just one of the best volleyers in the history of the tennis where as there are posters here with over 10,000 posts who know otherwise.
As McEnroe himself would say (I know I've read it somewhere), "You CANNOT be serious!"
Hilarious!
SLD76
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McEnroe says a lot of silly things. He thought Melanie Oudin would go on to greatness lol
tennisaddict
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McEnroe : Player X (current major winner ) is one of the greatest tennis player ever arguably, if not the greatest.
Rinse and repeat with every new winner.
Of course it is not same physically.
But it shares important common characteristic (compared to synthetic hard courts): organic with uncertain bounce.
If it becomes bouncy and slow, it practically becomes similar to the nature of playing on clay.
Wimbledon started to pack more dense soil underneath grass from 2001-2003 which coincides with the time when players started to reduce S&V.
Nadal and Federer's winning both French and Wimbledon will be never same
level of challenges presented to players of any time before 2001-2003 in entire history of tennis.
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But I think Nadal would have become better S&Ver if he grew up S&Ving in different era.
Nadal is more talented in volleying than Federer, IMHO.
BreakPoint
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So exactly when have you seen Nadal serve and volley on EVERY serve throughout an ENTIRE match like McEnroe (and Edberg, Sampras, Ivanisevic, Rafter, Henman, Cash, Krajicek, Becker, etc.) used to do? What does serving and volleying have anything to do with how well you can volley?
Borg had terrible to mediocre volleys, but he served and volleyed at Wimbledon, and won 5 of them.
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BreakPoint
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McEnroe also thinks poly strings are the same thing as synthetic gut.
BreakPoint
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Not 9,375 silly things but more like 3,823,596 silly things. :shock:
BreakPoint
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Maybe, but I doubt it. How many Spaniards who grew up on red clay have ever become great serve and volleyers?
I disagree.
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