octobrina10
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Instead, you are buying words the OP put into Rafa's mouth...
Nadal : I suffered more than anyone else
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Instead, you are buying words the OP put into Rafa's mouth...
Talker
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I have always appreciated the game Nadal brought to tennis.
Some of the most thrilling matches, Nadal was there.
On this point though I have an opinion, that's all there is to it.
octobrina10
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What does it has to do with the players who skipped the 2017 Cincinnati Masters due to being injured?
octobrina10
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And your opinion is?
Talker
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The bull is putting out some bull.
You're not going to get much more out of me than that.
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Nothing, but who cares?
octobrina10
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I wonder why OP and you make a fuss over him (Hewitt).
kevaninho
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Really you don't know if its regular aches, or if hes in constant struggle. Ive played a career mostly carrying injuries, which massively hindered me, but I mostly got on with it and never made a big deal of telling everyone. Most people even in my work ( physical job ) go home with a bad back. Ive carried on the rest of my day with a broken foot, thinking I was being a wimp if I went home with a sore foot.
The point is, you don't know if hes in everyday agony, or is hes just a whiney *****, so its pointless to judge.
octobrina10
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But it's not pointless to have an opinion.
People don't walk around easily run like a rabbit with the kind of injuries he talks about, I've come to the conclusion that he's lying or calls every ache and pain an injury, probably a combination. It's the old crying wolf problem.
He needed to have problems so he could take time off when he wanted is another possibility.
Remember how self serving he is, tries to get around rules, lying about coaching during matches, time violations, questionable MTO's.
There is just too much, not a person to emulate IMO.
I don't get your point here.
Nadal was asked about players who skipped the 2017 Cinci, and he answered largely by talking about his own injuries. Since Nadal did not skip Cinci, your complaint about bringing up Hewitt, etc would apply equally to Nadal. What do his injuries have to do with players who skipped the 2017 Cincinnati Masters?
The answer is context. Nadal's answer is about injuries plaguing players on tour, overall.
If Nadal is allowed to go outside the direct question in his answer, posters not only can but absolutely should follow him down that path and talk about the overall issue of injuries on tour.
Completely agree. Plus, Nadal has missed enough tournaments where he would have had a shot, that if he's "faking", he must have fooled himself, too.
But "you don't know" also applies to others. We just saw Andy Murray limp his way through a major that he could have skipped. How many times in their careers do you think Federer, Murray or whoever entered a tournament, entered a major not feeling 100%, but did so without telling the press, without revealing the injury in a post-game press conference ... just lost, credited an opponent and moved on?
Nadal seems to think it's 0. If Federer showed up and played all the time, he must have been healthy. But who knows? Maybe these guys have been luckier with injuries. Maybe they have quietly played through injuries more? Maybe it's both. But Nadal shouldn't go public airing that stuff; that's poor sportsmanship.
And I wonder if he's doing it because he's had a great year, fought his way back to #1, and feels like people are diminishing his accomplishment by talking about all the guys who didn't play.
octobrina10
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The point is that OP is accusing Rafa of not bringing up Hewitt: "I don't think Rafa even spared a thought for Delpo, Hewitt, Haas, etc."
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadal-i-suffered-more-than-anyone-else.597162/
And some other posters, who have read OP, have accused Rafa, too. I have wondered what's the connection between players skipping Cincinnati due to being injured and Hewitt.
Rafa was asked questions what he thinks is the reason the players who are not in Cincinnati are injured: "Do you think the season is too long, too grinding, too many events?"
He replied that the season hasn't changed during many years; injuries are just part of sports; he knows from his own experience that being injured is tough (he has a lot of experience!) and that "I wish all of them a fast and good recovery."
The OP fabricated a quote (=the title of this thread), put it into Rafa's mouth and started to attack him.
He is not accusing Nadal of not bringing up Hewitt; he is saying that Nadal is not being fair about the context. He talks like no one has had it as bad as him, and lists of some top players. But he is missing some of the guys who had the worst injury history, so Nadal's context is incomplete. That is the point of bringing up Hewitt and more relevantly Del POtro (because he is more of a contemporary).
And you've posted about a fabricated quote about 20 times.
I think anyone who has seen an internet forum knows that paraphrasing is pretty common. What the poster put in the subject is not some slandering fabricated quote, it is a pretty apt summary of what Nadal said. No one has had it worse than him.
octobrina10
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Could you elaborate on what you mean by that?
Nadal has had a great year. He won a major and the Fs of another. He won 2 Masters 1000 events and made the Fs of another. He's about to get back to #1, after a multi-year gap. And a good amount of talk about how he got there has centered on Djokovic and Murray not playing, and how Federer might have gotten there first if he had played Cincinnati.
That probably feels disrespectful to Nadal. Nobody wants to have a major achievement credited as someone else's failure instead.
octobrina10
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Rafa was asked questions what he thinks is the reason players are injured & are skipping the 2017 Cincinnati, and he listed top players who pulled out: Roger, Novak, Andy, Stan:
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=133033
Delpo did not skip Cincinnati, he played. There is absolutely no reason to attack Rafa for not bringing up Hewitt, who had nothing to do with the 2017 Cincinnati.
Fabrication is fabrication is fabrication. Posters are attacking Rafa for the words OP fabricated and put into Rafa's mouth!
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octobrina10
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tennis2017
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You're the biggest Nadal hater on warehouse
Why are you jealous of him
Can't you handle him beating Federer
It's only a game birdbrain get over your hate
He brought up his own injury history. He did not skip Cinci.
By your logic, he should not have discussed his own history, because he did not skip Cinci.
Talking about Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, etc.
If he wants to say that he understands injuries are tough, because he's been there, fine. He should not be saying that he has had it harder than X, Y and Z, naming names. That is just poor sportsmanship.
vive le beau jeu !
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deacsyoga
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Tomas Berdych posts here?
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Because Hewitt is my favorite player and I followed him from 2000 until his retirement?
Tennisanity
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Not jealous. Don't get mad at me cause Nadal is a hypocrite. Don't be like your hero, son.
Ah, spoken like the oh-so-humble guy EVERYONE claims he is! But absolutely isn't. Woe me is me, Pity poor me! Uh hum!
octobrina10
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But Hewitt is not among players who pulled out of the 2017 Cincinnati and it's not surprising that he wasn't there.
Rafa was asked at his post-R2 press conference in Cincinnati:
Q. "Can you talk about the injuries to the other players that aren't here? Does it surprise you? Do you think the [2017] season is too long, too grinding, too many events?"
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=133033
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octobrina10
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Rafa named these names because they were among players who weren't there (at the 2017 Cincinnati Masters) due to being injured.
He was asked: "Can you talk about the injuries to the other players that aren't here [Cincinnati Masters]? Does it surprise you? Do you think the season is too long, too grinding, too many events?"
Rafa did not say that he had it harder - OP put words into Rafa's mouth!
He said that he missed a lot of important tournaments, more than anyone else, and he knows how tough it is. It's absolutely true what he said!
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=133033
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tennis2017
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Federer is my favourite dummy
tennis2017
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Tennisinsanity Should be your name son
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Not so easy to get your point across speaking a foreign language, possibly ?
When will Nadal come clean and acknowledge his 'injuries' are due mainly to his playing style during his prime years. He's pushed his body to it's physical limits and suffered as a result, his doing, that's not bad luck.
Unlucky injuries are what happened to Edberg pulling a stomach muscle in a slam final, Stich forfeiting a match because he rolled his ankle, Becker forfeiting at Wimbledon when something 'went' on his wrist when serving. Those types on injury are bad luck.
Unlucky injuries are what happened to Edberg pulling a stomach muscle in a slam final, Stich forfeiting a match because he rolled his ankle, Becker forfeiting at Wimbledon when something 'went' on his wrist when serving. Those types on injury are bad luck.
rjms
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Great stuff about troll
Trolling is what has kept all these people glued to ttw it's fun too
tennis_crazy
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You won so much only because of your timely calculated injury timeouts off tour.
You have over achieved, so be happy rather than grumpy....
You have over achieved, so be happy rather than grumpy....
Powderwombat
Semi-Pro
A lot of people here don't know how the human body works and the source of Nadal's knee issues. It has nothing at all to do with his playstyle...the human knee joints are designed for running...people who think running is bad for knees are proclaiming outdated thinking. It's been proven that running is actually good for the joints, it strengthens them as well as the muscle around them which provides support, so I don't know why people keep harping on about Nadal's playstyle...
He has some sort of issue with his feet that affects his knees. I thought this was fairly common knowledge, but I guess not.
He has some sort of issue with his feet that affects his knees. I thought this was fairly common knowledge, but I guess not.
octobrina10
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Fed hasn't given up its position as the No. 1 whiner in the world since forever.
octobrina10
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But the question asked at his post-R2 press conference was: why are other players currently injured?
Soul_Evisceration
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Statements like these is the main reason I really dislike Nadal as the individual.
He has an effective counter puncher/grinder game and he`s the greatest clay court player of all time.
But as an ambassador of the sport and gamesmanship, he`s one ugly selfish human being.
What about Safin, Kuerten, Hewitt, Fish, etc... who had to retire because of serious operation surgeries.
I suffered more than anyone else... please. If he was suffering that much, he would be gone from the sport completely.
His selfishness and conduct is outrageous. Not that I am really surprised anymore since he started pulling dirty tactics vs his coach in Montreal 2005.
He has an effective counter puncher/grinder game and he`s the greatest clay court player of all time.
But as an ambassador of the sport and gamesmanship, he`s one ugly selfish human being.
What about Safin, Kuerten, Hewitt, Fish, etc... who had to retire because of serious operation surgeries.
I suffered more than anyone else... please. If he was suffering that much, he would be gone from the sport completely.
His selfishness and conduct is outrageous. Not that I am really surprised anymore since he started pulling dirty tactics vs his coach in Montreal 2005.
octobrina10
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If I may ask, who is grumpy? (I hope you aren't refering to the words what OP, who is a Fedfan, put into Rafa's mouth.)
octobrina10
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The statement you don't like is fabricated by OP, who is a Fedfan.
Poisoned Slice
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Irrelevant and has no bearing on what I think are the causes of his injuries, the real ones and not the shamjuries.
octobrina10
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This is off-topic.
Fabrication is fabrication is fabrication. Posters are attacking Rafa for the words OP fabricated and put into Rafa's mouth!
I don't think you are reading any of this thread fairly.
People are unhappy with what Rafa *did* say. The whole interview was linked, extended comments were posted. Several posters think what Rafa said was not appropriate.
It's a damn shame that every thread on this forum devolves into pro-Rafa vs pro-Fed vs whatever other factions exist.
octobrina10
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Posters are unhappy with the words that are not actually Rafa's words (they are OP's, a Fedfan, words).
It's damn shame that Fedfans are creating threads with a sole purpose of attacking Rafa.
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