Nadal is back = worst possible news for Murray fans?

[always_crosscourt]

Murray was only allowed to win a slam and make slam finals because of Nadal's absence from the tour. It is no news that for some reason Murray's game matches up very well to Djokovic's game.

However, now that Nadal is back, it is unlikely that Murray will even get to play Djokovic.

Once Nadal is back to world no. 4, we will have Djokovic//Federer semi's, and Nadal/Murray semi's once again. Technically it is theoretically possible to have Djokovic/Murray and Federer/Nadal semi's, as seedings are *supposedly* random, but we know it will never happen.

If we cast back out minds to 2011, Nadal shut the door on Murray in the semi's of 3 of 4 slams. And at the AO, didn't face Murray, but likely would have beat him there too.

Do you envisage a similar thing happening in 2013? Nadal to stop Murray at the semi's of all slams, except the FO, where he'll probably stop him in the quarters...?

 

[ktid]

In a strange way Murray might want to stay number 3 to avoid Nadal in the hope Djokovic takes him in a semi but we have to see how Nadal plays on other courts, on clay Nadal will always win but Murray could get wins on grass and HC we never know, I'm not overly worried cause Murray has proven he is a better players compared to last year

 

[DropShotArtist]

Murray will never lose to Nadal again in a slam off clay.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Murray has drastically improved, and I think he will want to play Nadal to see how he matches up against him, having beating Novak and Roger in the last two slams. It was the first time he both of those two players in a slam also. I am really looking forward to this match up.

 

[thecrusher956]

I think Nadal will come up against a different Murray. We will have to see what the result of that will be.

 

[TTMR]

Correct. Grand slam tournaments will revert to their regular pattern: exhilarating late semi-final match between Federer and Djokovic where an aging Federer overcomes all odds or Djokovic gets lucky, and the customary early walkover for Parera--pigeon Ferrer at the French and pigeon Murray at all other events, leaving Parera well-rested and consequently asteriked regardless of which opponent in the final he faces.

 

[sureshs]

Murray and Federer can win only when Nadal is not around. Djokovic is the only true contender against Nadal.

 

[always_crosscourt]

A huge portion of Nadal's slam count is due to tournament directors insisting on 'randomly' ALWAYS putting Federer with Djokovic and Nadal with Murray. Murray will bend for Nadal, leaving Nadal well rested.

Then Nadal will feed off the scraps of a tired Fedjokovic classic, which will have gone on for hours, and he'll usually (historically) get Federer to feast on.

Could you imagine how different Nadal's slam count would have been if he had Djokovic in every semi? If Djokovic would not have beaten Nadal outright, then he would have at least ground him right down and winning the finals would have been so much tougher.

 

[kalyan4fedever]

The only guy who has not won a single tournament after NADAL's departure is Roger, i dont know why but it happened and only ones gained were djoker and murraa , so RF has nothing to lose while the other two...

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The only guy who has not won a single tournament after NADAL's departure is Roger, i dont know why but it happened and only ones gained were djoker and murraa , so RF has nothing to lose while the other two...

I wouldn't add Djokovic to that list, since he did not get a medal at the Olympics, lost the US Open. Shanghai is not some place where Nadal exactly shines brightly, Murray does, and Djokovic beat him there. As for the WTF, Djokovic has won the event before, and beaten Nadal there also, and Federer is the biggest obstacle there, and he beat him last year.

As for the AO, well Djokovic beat Nadal last year, and is a better AO player in general. So, he didn't really gain with Nadal's absence. You could have said that if he swept the upcoming clay without Nadal around.

 

[TMF]

I don't see Nadal having the best of Murray except on clay. Murray has proven that he's better than Nadal on hc and grass.

 

[kishnabe]

Djokovic has to trouble beating Nadal. Federer is good at avoiding the Nadal.

Murray the one who has most benefited from Nadal absence. No Olympic or US Open win with a Healthy Rafa in his half. No Wimbledon final either.

 

[kishnabe]

I don't see Nadal having the best of Murray except on clay. Murray has proven that he's better than Nadal on hc and grass.

Nadal owns Murray on grass based on h2h. HC....Murray is better but he is mentally weak so it doesn't always factor out his way.

Nadal makes many aggressive changes that put him above Murray on grass even though Murray a natural on grass.

 

[Fiji]

Outside of clay, Murray will win this matchup because the Brit has more room for improvement than Nadal whose career is winding down.

 

[ultradr]

Of course, it's Federer.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I don't see Nadal having the best of Murray except on clay. Murray has proven that he's better than Nadal on hc and grass.

Uh, what? Lol. Because of more HC masters?

 

[TMF]

Uh, what? Lol. Because of more HC masters?

He's playing extremely well at the USO and AO. How could one can say Nadal is the favorite if he meet Murray in IW? I don't care who win, but if I have to pick, it's Murray this time.

 

[TMF]

Nadal owns Murray on grass based on h2h. HC....Murray is better but he is mentally weak so it doesn't always factor out his way.

Nadal makes many aggressive changes that put him above Murray on grass even though Murray a natural on grass.

I'm talking about their curtain condition. The OP is insinuating Nadal will have the better of Murray. I don't think so except on clay. Murray Wimbledon finalist and Olympic gold has something to say about that.

 

[raging]

Murray will be delighted to have a go at Rafa again!

It's great that he is back & fantastic that the top 4(apologies to Daveed) is back together again.

If Muzza wants to be the best, he has to beat the best.

 

[NadalAgassi]

I don't see Nadal having the best of Murray except on clay. Murray has proven that he's better than Nadal on hc and grass.

Yes Murray with 0 Wimbledon finals to date has already proven he is a better grass courter than Nadal with 5 Wimbledon finals and 2 Wimbledon titles. The Master of Fool up to his usual nonsense I see. Nadal has even won more major events on hard courts than Murray.

You are best to make no predictions for the future regarding Nadal though less you want to continue making a further fool of yourself as my sig shows.

 

[Clarky21]

Yes Murray with 0 Wimbledon finals to date has already proven he is a better grass courter than Nadal with 5 Wimbledon finals and 2 Wimbledon titles. The Master of Fool up to his usual nonsense I see. Nadal has even won more major events on hard courts than Murray.

You are best to make no predictions for the future regarding Nadal though less you want to continue making a further fool of yourself as my sig shows.

2012 doesn't count?

 

[Chanwan]

Nadal owns Murray on grass based on h2h. HC....Murray is better but he is mentally weak so it doesn't always factor out his way.

Nadal makes many aggressive changes that put him above Murray on grass even though Murray a natural on grass.

I think their rivalry will be much closer going forward and expect Murray to beat Rafa more often than not on hard and 50-50 on grass.
It's a new Murray, who doesn't fold as easily

 

[batz]

Yes Murray with 0 Wimbledon finals to date has already proven he is a better grass courter than Nadal with 5 Wimbledon finals and 2 Wimbledon titles. The Master of Fool up to his usual nonsense I see. Nadal has even won more major events on hard courts than Murray.

You are best to make no predictions for the future regarding Nadal though less you want to continue making a further fool of yourself as my sig shows.

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly that Nadal has owned Murray on grass - he has made a Wimbledon final.

 

[NadalAgassi]

2012 doesn't count?

Sorry I had forgotten that one momentarily, but 5 Wimbledon finals vs 1, and 2 Wimbledon titles vs 0. Still no contest. I actually like Murray but he hasnt proven himself even close to being better than Nadal on grass yet.

 

[Tiebreak100]

Murray was only allowed to win a slam and make slam finals because of Nadal's absence from the tour. It is no news that for some reason Murray's game matches up very well to Djokovic's game.

However, now that Nadal is back, it is unlikely that Murray will even get to play Djokovic.

Once Nadal is back to world no. 4, we will have Djokovic//Federer semi's, and Nadal/Murray semi's once again. Technically it is theoretically possible to have Djokovic/Murray and Federer/Nadal semi's, as seedings are *supposedly* random, but we know it will never happen.

If we cast back out minds to 2011, Nadal shut the door on Murray in the semi's of 3 of 4 slams. And at the AO, didn't face Murray, but likely would have beat him there too.

Do you envisage a similar thing happening in 2013? Nadal to stop Murray at the semi's of all slams, except the FO, where he'll probably stop him in the quarters...?

Top class trolling. The fact that you say Murray is unlikely to face Djokovic again only highlights your stupidity. The Scot has more talent in his little finger than the Serb and the Spaniard put together. The only think missing was the mental strength necessary to dominate these elite pushers. He has now arrived, and for the first time is now sufficiently equipped physically and mentally to dominate the tour.

Murray would already have won his second slam if it was not for a horrific foot injury - but fitness permitting, Wimbledon and the US Open will be his.

 

[TMF]

Yes Murray with 0 Wimbledon finals to date has already proven he is a better grass courter than Nadal with 5 Wimbledon finals and 2 Wimbledon titles. The Master of Fool up to his usual nonsense I see. Nadal has even won more major events on hard courts than Murray.

You are best to make no predictions for the future regarding Nadal though less you want to continue making a further fool of yourself as my sig shows.

Hey clueless...we're not talking about the 2010, or their achievement. It's about their current form. Obviously you didn't watch any of Murray in 2012, which is why know nothing about Murray.

Of course only a brilliant mind Davey25 who predicted that Fed and Nole would never win another Wimbledon. Only to get humiliated by other members.

 

[*Sparkle*]

Yes Murray with 0 Wimbledon finals to date

Did you stop watching tennis when Nadal lost?

One Wimbledon final, plus Olympic gold at Wimbledon was an excellent grass season by anyone's reckoning.

The grass season being so short it's hard to tell the difference between a good year on grass and a good few weeks in general terms, but his recent grass form is better than Nadal's recent grass form.

It will be interesting to see their next match-up. Nadal leads the H2H, so Andy should be intimidated by that, but Murray won their last match very convincingly, and Nadal won't be expecting an easy time of it (unless it's clay).

 

[NadalAgassi]

Top class trolling. The fact that you say Murray is unlikely to face Djokovic again only highlights your stupidity. The Scot has more talent in his little finger than the Serb and the Spaniard put together. The only think missing was the mental strength necessary to dominate these elite pushers. He has now arrived, and for the first time is now sufficiently equipped physically and mentally to dominate the tour.

We will see what happens but since the U.S Open it is Novak Djokovic who has completely dominated the tour and his rivalry with Murray.

 

[TMF]

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly that Nadal has owned Murray on grass - he has made a Wimbledon final.

Davey25 still living in 2010, and never saw Murray played in 2012.

 

[TMF]

2012 doesn't count?

He doesn't know Murray had one final because he never saw him play in 2012.

 

[Rozroz]

good, i can even favor Nadal over Murray :twisted:

 

[underground]

The only guy who has not won a single tournament after NADAL's departure is Roger, i dont know why but it happened and only ones gained were djoker and murraa , so RF has nothing to lose while the other two...

Federer won Cinci. And Nadal's departure started since his 2nd round exit so Wimbly counts as well/

 

[batz]

Did you stop watching tennis when Nadal lost?

One Wimbledon final, plus Olympic gold at Wimbledon was an excellent grass season by anyone's reckoning.

The grass season being so short it's hard to tell the difference between a good year on grass and a good few weeks in general terms, but his recent grass form is better than Nadal's recent grass form.

It will be interesting to see their next match-up. Nadal leads the H2H, so Andy should be intimidated by that, but Murray won their last match very convincingly, and Nadal won't be expecting an easy time of it (unless it's clay).

Only away from hardcourts. On hards Murray is 5-6 v Rafa - in fact, since 'arriving' in the upper echelons of the game by winning Cincy in summer 2008, Murray is 5-3 v Rafa on hardcourts; 2-1 in hardcourt slams.

 

[TMF]

Sorry I had forgotten that one momentarily, but 5 Wimbledon finals vs 1, and 2 Wimbledon titles vs 0. Still no contest. I actually like Murray but he hasnt proven himself even close to being better than Nadal on grass yet.

Again, you based on past achievement but not the current form, which is wrong. You also based on Nadal's achievement over Nole on grass which you claimed Nole would never beat him thus never win Wimbledon. lmao...

 

[NadalAgassi]

Again, you based on past achievement but not the current form, which is wrong.

The same way you based Serena's current form in 2004 when you said she would never win another slam and she has won another 9 since so you would know all about that kind of stupid (as well as every other kind of stupid that exists as every non trolling posters of Planet TW would atest to).

Murray has done better than Nadal in only one major grass tournament both have been in together the last 7 years. Wait until you have some real basis for your claims before making a fool of yourself yet again (although I know it is a daily craving for you).

 

[raging]

Again, you based on past achievement but not the current form, which is wrong. You also based on Nadal's achievement over Nole on grass which you claimed Nole would never beat him thus never win Wimbledon. lmao...

You guys will have your answers in early July

Hoping for Nadal vs Djoker, Murray vs Fed...

a bit unkind on the other pretenders but it would solve this argument...

Until the next time!

 

[TheF1Bob]

Muzza just needs his cake walk draws and tornadoes to get to another slam final.

Rafa isn't the issue... yet.

 

[TMF]

You guys will have your answers in early July

Hoping for Nadal vs Djoker, Murray vs Fed...

a bit unkind on the other pretenders but it would solve this argument...

Until the next time!

raging,
Just to be clear..even if I say Murray has a better shot at beating Nadal at current form doesn't equate in saying that he will definitely beat him. The difference between me and NadalAgassi is I would never guarantee anything(e.g. saying Nole would never win Wimbledon). Why put oneself in position to get schooled in the future. lol...

 

[Tiebreak100]

Muzza just needs his cake walk draws and tornadoes to get to another slam final.

Rafa isn't the issue... yet.

If you want to be considered the ultimate, should you not be able to play in the wind no bother? Is it not a sign of a top player being able to adapt?

Incidentally, it may be windy here in Scotland at times, but it is generally nothing like what Murray had to face in the Semi and Final - as he himself conceded. Therefore, it was talent and tactics, not conditions which won him his maiden slam.

 

[MichaelNadal]

raging,
Just to be clear..even if I say Murray has a better shot at beating Nadal at current form doesn't equate in saying that he will definitely beat him. The difference between me and NadalAgassi is I would never guarantee anything(e.g. saying Nole would never win Wimbledon). Why put oneself in position to get schooled in the future. lol...

You guys' beef is so funny lol.

 

[zagor]

Correct. Grand slam tournaments will revert to their regular pattern: exhilarating late semi-final match between Federer and Djokovic where an aging Federer overcomes all odds or Djokovic gets lucky, and the customary early walkover for Parera--pigeon Ferrer at the French and pigeon Murray at all other events, leaving Parera well-rested and consequently asteriked regardless of which opponent in the final he faces.

Right, because your fellow Nardies never put asterisk besides other players' slams.

 

[NadalAgassi]

I would never guarantee anything

Wrong.

1. You guaranteed back in 2004 (from another site you are now banned from) that Serena was done winning slams and she won another 10 since.

2. You guaranteed again after Clijsters beat Serena at the U.S Open that Serena was done winning slams. She has won another 4 and counting since (and would be alot more without her restaurant accident).

3. You guaranteed after 2009 Nadal was never going to dominate again, even on clay. In fact he went on to dominate 2010 on every surface.

4. You guaranteed Nadal would never win the U.S Open. Fail again.

5. You guaranteed several years ago Murray was going to win a slam soon. Took him over 3 years from that point.

6. You guaranteed when Henin came back she was going to take over the tour. Didnt happen, and never came close.

7. You guaranteed after Clijsters won the Australian Open for her 3rd slam in her comeback she was going to dominate 2012. Didnt come close.

8. You guaranteed Wozniacki would beat Serena when they finally met at the U.S Open (lol). Didnt happen.

I would keep typing all day of your history of fail but I would run out of bandwitch. While all you have on me is desperately milking a predicdtion I made (Djokovic not winning Wimbledon) which 95% of people made before 2011, including yourself. Talk about desperation, LOL!

 

[always_crosscourt]

Wrong.

1. You guaranteed back in 2004 (from another site you are now banned from) that Serena was done winning slams and she won another 10 since.

2. You guaranteed again after Clijsters beat Serena at the U.S Open that Serena was done winning slams. She has won another 4 and counting since (and would be alot more without her restaurant accident).

3. You guaranteed after 2009 Nadal was never going to dominate again, even on clay. In fact he went on to dominate 2010 on every surface.

4. You guaranteed Nadal would never win the U.S Open. Fail again.

5. You guaranteed several years ago Murray was going to win a slam soon. Took him over 3 years from that point.

6. You guaranteed when Henin came back she was going to take over the tour. Didnt happen, and never came close.

7. You guaranteed after Clijsters won the Australian Open for her 3rd slam in her comeback she was going to dominate 2012. Didnt come close.

8. You guaranteed Wozniacki would beat Serena when they finally met at the U.S Open (lol). Didnt happen.

I would keep typing all day of your history of fail but I would run out of bandwitch. While all you have on me is desperately milking a predicdtion I made (Djokovic not winning Wimbledon) which 95% of people made before 2011, including yourself. Talk about desperation, LOL!

And I am guaranteeing that Murray will never beat Nadal again, will never get beyond the semi's of a slam again, and will never face Djokovic in a slam again, because he will be in Nadal's half every time, and Nadal will knowck him out every time.

 

[TMF]

Wrong.

1. You guaranteed back in 2004 (from another site you are now banned from) that Serena was done winning slams and she won another 10 since.

2. You guaranteed again after Clijsters beat Serena at the U.S Open that Serena was done winning slams. She has won another 4 and counting since (and would be alot more without her restaurant accident).

3. You guaranteed after 2009 Nadal was never going to dominate again, even on clay. In fact he went on to dominate 2010 on every surface.

4. You guaranteed Nadal would never win the U.S Open. Fail again.

5. You guaranteed several years ago Murray was going to win a slam soon. Took him over 3 years from that point.

6. You guaranteed when Henin came back she was going to take over the tour. Didnt happen, and never came close.

7. You guaranteed after Clijsters won the Australian Open for her 3rd slam in her comeback she was going to dominate 2012. Didnt come close.

8. You guaranteed Wozniacki would beat Serena when they finally met at the U.S Open (lol). Didnt happen.

I would keep typing all day of your history of fail but I would run out of bandwitch. While all you have on me is desperately milking a predicdtion I made (Djokovic not winning Wimbledon) which 95% of people made before 2011, including yourself. Talk about desperation, LOL!

This is a complete fabrication, baseless accusation because I never guarantee anything. And Serena won her 5th slams before 2004, which I joined this forum in 2009(5 years before).

I'll let the mod aware of this lie too.

 

[TMF]

You guys' beef is so funny lol.

I don't mind him making prediction, even if it's far from the reality(e.g. Serena is likely to win 24/25 slams), but don't act like his predictions are above/beyond everyone. He criticizes posters when they predicted Federer was going to win 2012 Wimbledon. And most importantly, don't violate the boards policies.

 

[NadalAgassi]

He criticizes posters when they predicted Federer was going to win 2012 Wimbledon.

Another lie. I picked Federer to win Wimbledon 2012 early in the event, especialy after Nadal lost and tried to convince several Federer fans I fully expected him to beat Djokovic in the semis. Unlike you who cant see past your own biases I am objective and reasonable even when it comes to players I dont like. LOL at you of all people talking about board policies, when you violate every single one practically everyday here.

 

[rommil]

Nadal is back= the worst possible news for Nadal fans( all 5)

 

[raging]

raging,
Just to be clear..even if I say Murray has a better shot at beating Nadal at current form doesn't equate in saying that he will definitely beat him. The difference between me and NadalAgassi is I would never guarantee anything(e.g. saying Nole would never win Wimbledon). Why put oneself in position to get schooled in the future. lol...

TMF I am OK if you & NA keep tussling.
This is an internet forum, you both have the right.

I am just commenting Muzza is the business, as are the other 3.
The Scot is a persistent bugger & will prevail...regardless of any comments on here. The other 3 are exactly the same...they could care less about what we think. Otherwise they wouldn't be top 4(5).

These guys would just laugh if they read our ramblings.

So...learn to laugh.

 

[raging]

And I am guaranteeing that Murray will never beat Nadal again, will never get beyond the semi's of a slam again, and will never face Djokovic in a slam again, because he will be in Nadal's half every time, and Nadal will knowck him out every time.

wow...really???

what a whopper!:shock:

 

[Roddick85]

Finally a Murray match i'm looking forward to watching, should be interesting.