Nick Kyrgios: I walked out on centre court thinking I could win

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
The article from The Guardian:
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Barely a week after beating then-world number one Rafael Nadal, Nick Kyrgios is ensconced in a warm hotel in Canberra while the rest of the city hurries to work in near-freezing temperatures. It might not be as exciting as London but the 19-year-old is grateful for a bit of calm after the storm as he recovers from a demanding tournament schedule.


“It’s good being home, relaxing and coming down from such a high,” says Kyrgios. “It is so emotionally draining coming back from something like Wimbledon, you really have nothing left in the tank – I gave everything.”

It is hardly surprising that the imposing 193cm (6'4") athlete is exhausted. Kyrgios was forced to battle past his initial opponent Stephane Robert in four sets, with three going to tie-breaks, before saving nine match points against Richard Gasquet at the All England Club. His second-round performance was particularly noteworthy because the Australian came from two sets down against the No13 seed and was icily composed as a correct Hawkeye challenge saved him in the fifth match point.

Kyrgios’s confident and aggressive style of play continued unabated, dispatching Czech Jiri Vesely to set up a fourth round encounter with Nadal. If ever there was a time when the Australian’s composure was going to be tested to breaking point, this was it. Yet, when queried before the game as to whether he could overcome the five-time Wimbledon finalist, Kyrgios replied affirmatively “with the matter-of-factness of someone being asked if they would like sugar in their coffee”.

Defeat Nadal he did, hitting 37 aces in a performance that saw Kyrgios’s name etched into the record books as the first male player ranked outside the top 100 to vanquish a world number one in a Grand Slam since 1992. Even more remarkable was that his opponent, the left-hander from Mallorca, did not have a particularly poor outing – hitting 44 winners and conceding just 18 unforced errors. Nadal did not lose the game; rather Kyrgios’s power and determination swept the Spaniard aside.

Asked to reflect on the match, Kyrgios responds with an aura of such confidence that some might mistake his self-belief for arrogance, an often fine line among sports professionals.

But such an observation would be erroneous, because the humble 19-year-old’s reply betrays no egotistical superiority, merely the self-assurance of someone playing without fear.

“As crazy as it sounds, I walked out on centre court thinking I could definitely win the match,” he says. “I knew that if I served well and played the right style of game I could pull off an upset. Especially when I was two sets to one up I really thought I just had to play one more good set to take it out. And then the fourth was probably the best tennis I’ve ever played!”

Kyrgios did not have long to bask in glory however, with inclement weather condensing the tournament schedule and forcing the youngster to face Milos Raonic less than 24 hours later.

Despite a spirited effort that saw Kyrgios win the first set, the mental and physical fatigue proved too much as Raonic overpowered his younger opponent.

While Kyrgios admits a longer break could have improved his chances – “It was definitely tough. If I’d had that extra day of rest I think I would have been more likely to win” – he’s not trying to make excuses. “That’s the reality of grand slams, sometimes if the rain doesn’t hold you have to back it up. I can’t control the weather.”

Now back in Canberra, Kyrgios has been enjoying time with his close-knit family, whom he openly credits for his success.

“They have played a massive role. The amount of sacrifices my family have made – when I was young bringing me to tennis, helping me out with my school schedule – they’ve been really important.”

Despite some concerns that Kyrgios’s rapid rise could send him off the rails, with comparisons drawn to Bernard Tomic, his mother Norlaila is confident that his older siblings will “keep him in line”.

The youngest of three, Kyrgios was quick to echo this sentiment: “I definitely think my family will help keep me grounded and I know that you can’t get too ahead of yourself.”

Kyrgios also has family to thank for his decision to ultimately pursue tennis over basketball, his other sporting passion.

“I think my Dad was pretty big on me playing tennis so he sort of pushed me to that side,” Kyrgios says. “But I still play basketball whenever I can and I’m never going to lose my passion for it.”

He occasionally stops to admire the basketballers in action at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra and admits a desire to join in from time to time.

“When I’m down training for tennis, sometimes I go in [to the basketball courts] and just look around,” Kyrgios comments. “I’m probably no longer good enough to play with those guys as they are much taller than me and more athletic, but I’m sure I could hold my own for a little bit.”

The 19-year-old will be able indulge his love of basketball when he visits the sport’s spiritual home in August. However, with the purpose of his American trip to compete at the US Open, tennis is perhaps more likely to be at the forefront of Kyrgios’s mind.

“I had a great time there last year, qualifying and then playing David Ferrer in the first round,” he says. “That was a really good experience and hopefully this time I can win a couple of rounds or, if not, just put in a solid performance.”

While Kyrgios has demonstrated his ability to slay the giants of world tennis, the 19-year-old knows that countless more hours are needed on the training court and that a first round exit at Flushing Meadows could see his ranking abruptly plateau.

“I’m 66 in the world at the moment so there’s obviously a lot of room for improvement,” Kyrgios says. “I need to keep working hard – there are a lot of areas I still need to develop and that’s going to be the motivation to keep going.”

Victory over Nadal may be just the first of many challenges that lie ahead of Kyrgios on the long and often lonely road to the top. Yet surrounded by a dedicated family and possessing an formidable arsenal on the court, Kyrgios seems to have the physical and mental potential to become one of the best in the world. And perhaps even lift that famous trophy at the All England Club along the way.

“I think my ultimate goal is getting to number one but winning Wimbledon would be pretty extraordinary.”

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...lked-out-on-centre-court-thinking-i-could-win

I apologize in advance that the author did not heap praise on Djokovic, the 2014 Wimbledon champion.
 

Supertegwyn

Hall of Fame
******* gets to relax in a warm hotel while the rest of us freeze :p

Hope he does well at the USO, should be able to get past the first round this time (lost to Ferrer last year).
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
MailOnline, 14 July 2014: ¤¤ Rising Australian tennis star Nick Kyrgios picks up his new Mercedes sports car after arriving home in Canberra… so let's hope it doesn't mean he's the next Bernard Tomic ¤¤
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...snt-mean-hes-Bernard-Tomic.html#ixzz37RYrdJWM

Speaking of Bernard:
‏Via @dkaplanSBJ
¤¤ IMG has terminated its rep contract with Bernard Tomic with several more years left on the deal. Agency appears to have had enough¤¤
 

Oz_Rocket

Professional
Yeah but he sent more tweets about playing Mario Kart on his Wii than driving the Merc.

Plus it looks like it was offered to and/or arranged by his manager.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah but he sent more tweets about playing Mario Kart on his Wii than driving the Merc.

Plus it looks like it was offered to and/or arranged by his manager.

I really think this guy won't let his country down. He seems genuine and I wish him all the best.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
Unbelievable confidence he has for anyone let alone a 19 year old

19 year olds with a big game generally have a lot of confidence when they're starting out until they begin to lose matches to people they shouldn't be losing to. Then the reality of being a pro sets in.

Good luck to Kirgios and his huge game will be interesting to see how he does in the coming year. I hope he has a good coach and a lot good people around him.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
19 year olds with a big game generally have a lot of confidence when they're starting out until they begin to lose matches to people they shouldn't be losing to. Then the reality of being a pro sets in.

Good luck to Kirgios and his huge game will be interesting to see how he does in the coming year. I hope he has a good coach and a lot good people around him.

He just split from his coach. I wonder if some big name will take him on now.
 
Definitely way more talented than Dimitrov.

......because he has bigger weapons and was HOT one day which allowed him to beat Nadal?

Funny. You didn't even know about Nickolas before sw19 I imagine. Seen him for a very long time in the challengers and he is very good usually, but has never played as good as he did against Rafa in that match. So just note that before you make absurd statements devaluing Dimitrov's obvious game and establishment thus far on tour.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
......because he has bigger weapons and was HOT one day which allowed him to beat Nadal?

Funny. You didn't even know about Nickolas before sw19 I imagine. Seen him for a very long time in the challengers and he is very good usually, but has never played as good as he did against Rafa in that match. So just note that before you make absurd statements devaluing Dimitrov's obvious game and establishment thus far on tour.

Hey nice to see you! what happened haven't seen you here for a long time
 
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Hey nice to see you! what happened haven't seen you here for a long time

Was focused on other things in life. Are you still jubilant over Novak's massive breakthrough in slam finals?///// Reckon he can complete a career slam now?

I see you are on twitter. I just followed you under SamprasSlamDunk (TennisEdge)
 
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Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
Was focused on other things in life. Are you still jubilant over Novak's massive breakthrough in slam finals?///// Reckon he can complete a career slam now?

I see you are on twitter. I just followed you under SamprasSlamDunk (TennisEdge)

I don't use twitter?? anymore sorry I don't use that account anymore. It is me

I hope djokovic can win the RG but I am getting worried that he is not using his chances. He could have easily completed the career grand slam at RG 13. And then probably would have had the confidence to win RG this year instead of choke
 
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Omega_7000

Legend
......because he has bigger weapons and was HOT one day which allowed him to beat Nadal?

Funny. You didn't even know about Nickolas before sw19 I imagine. Seen him for a very long time in the challengers and he is very good usually, but has never played as good as he did against Rafa in that match. So just note that before you make absurd statements devaluing Dimitrov's obvious game and establishment thus far on tour.

Dimitrov is more established but Kyrgios has a major weapon --- his serve.......Dimitrov lacks that one shot which can end rallies...He has a very good forehand but not at the level of Federer's forehand during his peak or Nadal's forehand during his.

Kyrgios serve could be a weapon like Pete's serve...He needs to improve return of serve and movement but he's got time to do that and he's hungry/confident...A trait missing in a lot of young upcoming

The only thing that can hold him back I think is injuries...Let's hope he isn't plagued by injuries like DelPotro for example...
 
Dimitrov is more established but Kyrgios has a major weapon --- his serve.......Dimitrov lacks that one shot which can end rallies...He has a very good forehand but not at the level of Federer's forehand during his peak or Nadal's forehand during his.

Kyrgios serve could be a weapon like Pete's serve...He needs to improve return of serve and movement but he's got time to do that and he's hungry/confident...A trait missing in a lot of young upcoming

The only thing that can hold him back I think is injuries...Let's hope he isn't plagued by injuries like DelPotro for example...

I could not disagree with this more whole-heartedly. For me, you are going down the whole route of 'this player lacks that one killer weapon' .. Just because Dimitrov is not over 6,3 inches tall and opts to construct the point a little more before pulling the trigger does not mean he does not have a killer weapon to finish points or even effortlessly buy him cheap points.

Federer right now is lacking that one killer weapon yet is still reaching the business side of Masters and Majors. Murray doesn't really have that one killer weapon and although Djokovic has probably the best backhand the game has had in it's entire era, he also opts to construct the ball around court before firing his weapon.

Sampras played in an entirely different generation of tennis, where most general courts allowed for serving dominance. I don't know why the comparison is there with him personally, we could in-line many comparisons with Pete Sampras if we were going on the basis on having just a big serve.

More on top of this you've got to acknowledge Sampras's serve was very good but made much, much better from that he rushed to net 90% of the time. Ontop of the general court being slower, there are much better returners in the game today.

Let's face it; everyone is over-exagering because he beat 'Nadal' - Had he put in that serving clinic and performance and beaten someone else, it wouldn't have been acknowledged, but the fact this was a tier 2 legend everyone wants to made ludicrous comparisons and absurd assumptions.

I agree Kyrigos has a world class serve and forehand and having two major weapons like that enables you to grow into a force on tour.

I would say look at Dimitov's game as a package. Not only his forehand and serve, but his movement across the court, his athletism and his ability to defend rather well, people don't often see it but Dimitrov is a very complete player, able to counter-punch just as well as most.

Dimitrov plays his best tennis outside grand-slams where he is much looser. I've watched him in 250s and 500s also and this guy has killer weapons but he opts to balance risk and reward. Kyrigos is near closer to a first strike player.

I am not a Dimitrov fan-boy btw, I just find it absurd that no one had heard ot his guy on this board prior to Wimbledon. I had and I saw the weapons you talk of, but to start drawing him as standing better chance of winning grandslams and reaaching world number 1 than compared to Dimitrov is kneejerk.

Additionally people forget Dimitrov was pretty much tearing Nadal to pieces at the Australian Open, where the bounce is higher and the courts are slower. (Compared to sw19) Unfortunately after all his set-points in the 3rd set breaker, he managed to tighten up and lose it, thereafter he just lost the momentum and crumbled in the 4th set.


1ST SERVE POINTS WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Karlovic, Ivo 83 41
2 Raonic, Milos 82 34
3 Cilic, Marin 79 45
4 Querrey, Sam 79 29
5 Dimitrov, Grigor 79 44
6 Berdych, Tomas 79 44
7 Gulbis, Ernests 79 46
8 Federer, Roger 78 45
9 Wawrinka, Stan 78 33
10 Lopez, Feliciano 78 43
11 Isner, John 78 35
12 Chardy, Jeremy 77 40
13 Anderson, Kevin 77 38
14 Dolgopolov, Alexandr 76 40
15 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 76 34
16 Djokovic, Novak 75 41
17 Sock, Jack 75 26
18 Mayer, Leonardo 74 28
19 Janowicz, Jerzy 74 24
20 Robredo, Tommy 73 34

2nd SERVE POINTS WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Federer, Roger 58 45
2 Djokovic, Novak 58 41
3 Isner, John 58 35
4 Kohlschreiber, Philipp 57 41
5 Wawrinka, Stan 56 33
6 Nadal, Rafael 56 52
7 Dimitrov, Grigor 55 44
8 Robredo, Tommy 55 34
9 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 55 34
10 Gasquet, Richard 55 29
11 Berdych, Tomas 54 44
12 Raonic, Milos 54 34
13 Lopez, Feliciano 54 43
14 Ferrer, David 54 46
15 Nishikori, Kei 54 38
16 Mayer, Leonardo 54 28
17 Haas, Tommy 53 25
18 Sock, Jack 53 26
19 Dolgopolov, Alexandr 53 40
20 Verdasco, Fernando 53 29

SERVICE GAMES WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Isner, John 93 35
2 Karlovic, Ivo 92 41
3 Federer, Roger 91 45
4 Raonic, Milos 90 34
5 Dimitrov, Grigor 89 44
6 Djokovic, Novak 88 41
7 Lopez, Feliciano 88 43
8 Wawrinka, Stan 88 33

Look at these figures for serving. Much of Dimitrov's game actually does revolve around his serve and being able to earn cheap points and advantages in points, on serve.

I remember Berdych on Sky Sports talking, this is what he said; 'Now days, serving well is not only about the power and speed but mostly the angle your serve comes down at' ... I believe this is because somany players are able to absorb pace well now a days. A) with the new strings and B) better defenders.
 
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Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
I could not disagree with this more whole-heartedly. For me, you are going down the whole route of 'this player lacks that one killer weapon' .. Just because Dimitrov is not over 6,3 inches tall and opts to construct the point a little more before pulling the trigger does not mean he does not have a killer weapon to finish points or even effortlessly buy him cheap points.

Federer right now is lacking the one killer weapon yet is still reaching the business side of Masters and Majors. Murray doesn't really have that one killer weapon and although Djokovic has probably the best backhand the game has had in it's entire era, he also opts to construct the ball around court before firing his weapon.

Sampras played in an entirely different generation of tennis, where most general courts allowed for serving dominance. I don't know why the comparison is there with him personally, we could in-line many comparisons with Pete Sampras if we were going off the basis in having just a big serve.

More on top of this you've got to acknowledge Sampras's serve was very good but made much, much better from that he rushed to net 90% of the time. Ontop of the general court being slower, there are much better returners in the game today.

Let's face it; everyone is over-exagering because he beat 'Nadal' - Had he put in that serving clinic and performance and beaten someone else, it wouldn't have been acknowledged, but the fact this was a tier 2 legend everyone wants to made ludicrous comparisons and absurd assumptions.

I agree Kyrigos has a world class serve and forehand and having two major weapons like that enables you to grow into a force on tour.

I would say look at Dimitov's game as a package. Not only his forehand and serve, but his movement across the court, his athletism and his ability to defend rather well, people don't often see it but Dimitrov is a very complete player, able to counter-punch just as well as most.

Dimitrov plays his best tennis outside grand-slams where he is much looser. I've watched him in 250s and 500s also and this guy has killer weapons but he opts to balance risk and reward. Kyrigos is near closer to a first strike player.

I am not a Dimitrov fan-boy btw, I just find it absurd that no one had heard ot his guy on this board prior to Wimbledon. I had and I saw the weapons you talk of, but to start drawing him as standing better chance of winning grandslams and reaaching world number 1 than compared to Dimitrov is kneejerk.

Additionally people forget Dimitrov was pretty much tearing Nadal to pieces at the Australian Open, where the bounce is higher and the courts are slower. (Compared to sw19) Unfortunately after all his set-points in the 3rd set breaker, he managed to tighten up and lose it, thereafter he just lost the momentum and crumbled in the 4th set.


1ST SERVE POINTS WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Karlovic, Ivo 83 41
2 Raonic, Milos 82 34
3 Cilic, Marin 79 45
4 Querrey, Sam 79 29
5 Dimitrov, Grigor 79 44
6 Berdych, Tomas 79 44
7 Gulbis, Ernests 79 46
8 Federer, Roger 78 45
9 Wawrinka, Stan 78 33
10 Lopez, Feliciano 78 43
11 Isner, John 78 35
12 Chardy, Jeremy 77 40
13 Anderson, Kevin 77 38
14 Dolgopolov, Alexandr 76 40
15 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 76 34
16 Djokovic, Novak 75 41
17 Sock, Jack 75 26
18 Mayer, Leonardo 74 28
19 Janowicz, Jerzy 74 24
20 Robredo, Tommy 73 34

2nd SERVE POINTS WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Federer, Roger 58 45
2 Djokovic, Novak 58 41
3 Isner, John 58 35
4 Kohlschreiber, Philipp 57 41
5 Wawrinka, Stan 56 33
6 Nadal, Rafael 56 52
7 Dimitrov, Grigor 55 44
8 Robredo, Tommy 55 34
9 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 55 34
10 Gasquet, Richard 55 29
11 Berdych, Tomas 54 44
12 Raonic, Milos 54 34
13 Lopez, Feliciano 54 43
14 Ferrer, David 54 46
15 Nishikori, Kei 54 38
16 Mayer, Leonardo 54 28
17 Haas, Tommy 53 25
18 Sock, Jack 53 26
19 Dolgopolov, Alexandr 53 40
20 Verdasco, Fernando 53 29

SERVICE GAMES WON
Pos Player % Matches
1 Isner, John 93 35
2 Karlovic, Ivo 92 41
3 Federer, Roger 91 45
4 Raonic, Milos 90 34
5 Dimitrov, Grigor 89 44
6 Djokovic, Novak 88 41
7 Lopez, Feliciano 88 43
8 Wawrinka, Stan 88 33

Look at these figures for serving. Much of Dimitrov's game actually does revolve around his serve and being able to earn cheap points and advantages in points, on serve.

I remember Berdych on Sky Sports talking, this is what he said; 'Now days, serving well is not only about the power and speed but mostly the angle your serve comes down at' ... I believe this is because somany players are able to absorb pace well now a days. A) with the new strings and B) better defenders.

Good post. I'd also ask (my sympathies for Nick notwithstanding) where does the movement come in? Is that not important at all? You can see how much the modern game is based on being able to make your opponent play that one extra ball to give yourself a fighting chance in the point. I am far from the idea that Kyrgios is done improving his movement, but I don't think there is so much a player can do to compensate. See Berdych. Good serve, booming strokes off both wings, but he doesn't have the movement and tactical acumen of the Slam champions of his generation.
 
Good post. I'd also ask (my sympathies for Nick notwithstanding) where does the movement come in? Is that not important at all? You can see how much the modern game is based on being able to make your opponent play that one extra ball to give yourself a fighting chance in the point. I am far from the idea that Kyrgios is done improving his movement, but I don't think there is so much a player can do to compensate. See Berdych. Good serve, booming strokes off both wings, but he doesn't have the movement and tactical acumen of the Slam champions of his generation.

Exactly. I think movement is the most important factor in today's game. Take the top 20 guys.

1 - Djokovic - Exceptional mover. (The best the game has seen on HC)
2 - Nadal - Exceptional mover. (The best the game has seen on CC)
3 - Federer - Accomplished mover & glides across the court. (Especially during 04-10 prime)
4 - Wawrinka - He is very aggressive now a days, but his movement is FLUID.
5 - Berdych - Relatively immobile, less so now a days, but he's won 1M1000.
6 - Raonic - Extremely aggressive, but Kyrigos does not have his serve.
7 - Ferrer - Accomplished mover, entire game is running around BH H FHs.
8 - Del Potro - Under-rated mover, but not great.
9 - Dimitrov - Very accomplished mover.
10 - Murray - Exceptional mover before his surgery.
11 - Nishikori - IMO, an exceptional mover, with an amazing low center of grav.
12 - Isner - One of tennis's best ever servers, but never gets to QFs of majors.
13 - Gulbis - Not a great mover, but unlike Kyrigos has a very good BH. Never reached further than the SMs of a major.
14 - Gasaquet - Not great mover and has never accomplished much.
15 - Fognini - Exceptional mover on clay-court. When focused, ev1 must agree.
16 - Tsonga - Not great mover. Kyrigos likened to Jo, big S big F, SF major tops
17 - Anderson - Terrible mover, extremely first strike player. Achieved nothing.
18 - Bautista Agut - Accomplished mover across all surfaces.
19 - Youhzny - Accomplished mover, US Open Semi finalist twice in his career.
20 - Robredo - Accomplished mover, on claycourts and even hardcourts.

Kyrigos is very good and can compete with the best of the game, but much like Jo Tsonga, when he's HOT. You can't be HOT every single tournament throughout the year and that means he won't be working with a seeded position in Majors and Masters. Dimitrov will.

The best players are those that can compete at the highest level whilst playing within themselves and not needing to redline every sinew of their game.
 
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Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Kyrigos is very good and can compete with the best of the game, but much like Jo Tsonga, when he's HOT. You can't be HOT every single tournament throughout the year and that means he won't be working with a seeded position in Majors and Masters. Dimitrov will.

The best players are those that can compete at the highest level whilst playing within themselves.

And this is the reason why it's unfair for people to throw such statements around (as Omega did). The guy is only 19, let him grow into his game. Inevitably, especially here, people will start pointing fingers. He lost in a challenger just weeks before beating Nadal. What does that tell you? He's only just getting started.

All we can say right now is that he is capable. I can't say he is a future Slam winner on the basis of what I saw. I definitely can't say he is more talented than Dimitrov. The guy has had tennis experts gushing all over him since he was aged 15. Federer's ex-coach said he was better than Roger at that particular age. Different, yes?
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Thanks, rj, for the link! It was a good read and explored a couple of areas that will be key to Nick's rise, how far that is and how long he can stay at the top.

1.: Confidence. The mental side of the game is critical to top success and Nick has displayed mastery of it. The Gasquet match gets a lot of attention but he's been a fighter long before this. I remember the TBs vs Stepanek @RG'13 in his very first slam match. With guts come glory.

2.: Staying grounded. That's a great family he comes from and humble beginnings often lead to an early appreciation of the struggle and the maturity to accept the inevitable bumps along the way. If he can stay level-keeled through the next couple of years (AND injury-free) we will see him reach the top stages of the game and stay there. He's got the weapons and I'm sure they will be refined with whomever he chooses to work his box.

Let's hope all goes rather smoothly but he shows resilience to battle through the rough patches!
 

Omega_7000

Legend
And this is the reason why it's unfair for people to throw such statements around (as Omega did). The guy is only 19, let him grow into his game. Inevitably, especially here, people will start pointing fingers. He lost in a challenger just weeks before beating Nadal. What does that tell you? He's only just getting started.

All we can say right now is that he is capable. I can't say he is a future Slam winner on the basis of what I saw. I definitely can't say he is more talented than Dimitrov. The guy has had tennis experts gushing all over him since he was aged 15. Federer's ex-coach said he was better than Roger at that particular age. Different, yes?

I thought that was the gist of what I said...Obviously there are no guarantees...

In a lot of cases it is more difficult to develop that one world class weapon than an overall game (movement, ROS, consistency etc.)...I think these are areas that can be improved with effort and a good team...He has ways to go but there is a lot of potential (he's only 19).

Players without a major weapon can win slams but aren't able to dominate (ala Sampras, Federer, Nadal).........Dimitrov will probably end up winning majors but Kyrgios with the right training can dominate by revolving his game around his serve.

I agree that at this point in time, Dimitrov >>> Kyrgios
 
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Omega_7000

Legend
I could not disagree with this more whole-heartedly. For me, you are going down the whole route of 'this player lacks that one killer weapon' .. Just because Dimitrov is not over 6,3 inches tall and opts to construct the point a little more before pulling the trigger does not mean he does not have a killer weapon to finish points or even effortlessly buy him cheap points.

Federer right now is lacking that one killer weapon yet is still reaching the business side of Masters and Majors. Murray doesn't really have that one killer weapon and although Djokovic has probably the best backhand the game has had in it's entire era, he also opts to construct the ball around court before firing his weapon.

Well of course...I never said Nick is going to win on his serve alone...The rest of his game isn't bad...You're making it sound as if he isn't able to hit a single return or is incapable of point construction. You're taking the other extreme end of the argument. He's not Karlovic.

Do you seriously believe that Federer would have dominated the tour the way he did if his forehand was as good as it is now?

The point I was trying to make is that you cannot dominate without having a go to reliable weapon to use under pressure...Dimitrov is capable of winning majors but I disagree if you think he is capable of dominating consistently for years unless he develops a shot that turns in to a major weapon.

I am not a Dimitrov fan-boy btw, I just find it absurd that no one had heard ot his guy on this board prior to Wimbledon. I had and I saw the weapons you talk of, but to start drawing him as standing better chance of winning grandslams and reaaching world number 1 than compared to Dimitrov is kneejerk.

Additionally people forget Dimitrov was pretty much tearing Nadal to pieces at the Australian Open, where the bounce is higher and the courts are slower. (Compared to sw19) Unfortunately after all his set-points in the 3rd set breaker, he managed to tighten up and lose it, thereafter he just lost the momentum and crumbled in the 4th set.
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Dimitrov was tearing Nadal to pieces but the bottom line is that he lost and has never beat him...To win against these guys you need to be uber confident and produce your best under pressure...Everyone isn't a big match player...Kyrgios is showing signs that he could be.

Maybe you hadn't but I had and so had Murray and Federer...Not as "knee-jerk" of a reaction as you think it is...
Here is my post from before Wimbledon,
Nick Kyrgios has been praised by Murray and Federer...Definitely one of the up comers to look out for.

The Australian teenager spent a week training with Federer in Zurich as part of preparations for Roland Garros and he made a strong impression on the 17-time grand slam champion.

''I really like his game,'' Federer said of Kyrgios after the Swiss fourth seed opened with a comfortable 6-2 6-4 6-2 win over Slovakia's Lukas Lacko.

''I think he's very open to trying out things, going for the big shots.

''I think he's got really great potential.''

But Federer also urged the 193cm teen not to let his talent go to waste.

''I think he's strong physically, but clearly he needs to keep working hard now to make sure he makes the next move and he's solid for five hours, solid for two weeks, solid for one year, all that stuff,'' Federer said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/10084600/Kyrgios-earns-high-praise-from-Roger-Federer

"Another challenger win for @NickKyrgios this time on grass.. also won challengers on hard and clay! Next big aussie star. ~ Andy Murray

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/06/15/kyrgios-gains-dream-wimbledon-start

Let's face it; everyone is over-exagering because he beat 'Nadal' - Had he put in that serving clinic and performance and beaten someone else, it wouldn't have been acknowledged, but the fact this was a tier 2 legend everyone wants to made ludicrous comparisons and absurd assumptions.

Well isn't that what great players do? Raise their game on the big stages against the biggest opponents? Isn't that what Federer did to Sampras in 2001 and then went on to lose to Tim Henman in the next round?
The mental aspect is as important as the game.

Dimitrov plays his best tennis outside grand-slams where he is much looser. I've watched him in 250s and 500s also and this guy has killer weapons but he opts to balance risk and reward. Kyrigos is near closer to a first strike player.

Sorry but producing winners on the big stages and producing winners in 250 & 500 tournies isn't the same. Top players were genuinely scared of Sampras' serve, Nadal's forehand and Federer's forehand...They were able to take risks and produce it in big matches.

In summary all I'm saying is that Kyrgios has a lot of potential...More than Dimitrov...It's going to take a while for him to mature though. Dimitrov might get to #1 and win majors sooner than him but Kyrgios has the potential to have a better career than Dimitrov.
 
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Omega_7000

Legend
I am not a Dimitrov fan-boy btw, I just find it absurd that no one had heard ot his guy on this board prior to Wimbledon. I had and I saw the weapons you talk of, but to start drawing him as standing better chance of winning grandslams and reaaching world number 1 than compared to Dimitrov is kneejerk.

Some more posts from before wimbledon,

Brown wasn't in a slam. Darcis happened R1. Rafa was injured in 2012. We'll talk after the match about whether I was realistic or cocky. No problem.
Of course, no one can predict an injury. That's always an unknown.

It's a possibility but about the same one as me winning the lottery tomorrow :)
I don't know why people insist on hyping those matches where the result is highly predictable. There are plenty of other matches to focus on where the odds are much closer.
Oh well, let's say I'm going out on a limb then ;) I am making a gutsy prediction, brave me 8)

Ha! That's rich... Is that going to be your excuse if Nick manages to beat Nadal?

Kyrgios is the real deal. How young was Nadal when he won his first slam? 19? How old is Nick?
 
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eldanger25

Hall of Fame
careful....i was reading that about Janowicz in 2012 when he beat Kohlschreiber + Murray + Simon back to back... but yeah Kyrgios got guts, hope he'll have a great career.

That's true, but my recollection of JJ in 2012 is that he didn't have a match where he got up off the mat time and again like NK in the Gasquet match, nor did he have the match against Nadal which, for all his big hitting, was a constructed victory in which NK stayed within himself mentally rather than closing his eyes and swinging, a la Rosol (who was already 27 in 2012, and who loses that match if they don't stop it to close the roof).

I think NK's got what you need between the ears to tear the roof off the top of the sport. Would love to see him against Novak or Fed at the US Open, I doubt he'd show either of them any more deference than he did Nadal.
 

Oz_Rocket

Professional
Last week Nick made the decision to go with a combination of Josh Eagle and Todd Larkham in the short term and after the US Open they'll make a final decision.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...ildhood-coach-in-canberra-20140704-zsvdl.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...-tennis-star-nick-kyrgios-20140711-zt4od.html

Funnily enough Todd identifies movement, endurance, transition, volleys and serve return as things they need to work on. If he improves on those at the same pace as the rest of his game has in the move from juniors since last year he'll be on track for the top 10.
 
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