Novak is more dominant against Nadal on hard than Nadal is dominant against him on clay

[Beckerserve]

Clay... Nadal is 19:8... 70%
Hard... Novak is 20:7... 74%




Is Novak that good at hard, or Nadal is not that good on clay? Or is Nadal actually that bad on hard and Novak that good on clay?


Anyway, another great stat for The Goat...

On clay court major Nadal 13-2 Djokovic. Only one clay court major Nadals best surface
On hard court major Djokovic 11-5 Nadal and there are two Majors on djokovic best surface.
Pretty crystal clear Goatdal is more dominant on clay than 3rdwheel Djoker is on hard.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Heh. By all means destroy eachother.

 

[Beckerserve]

I know that the Djoke glasses you are wearing are made of pain, so it is no wonder that you see that.

Djokovic fans claim he is better than Federer on clay. Unless my memory is failing
1) federer won FO when Nadal was at his peak
2) federer post prime beat unbeaten prime Djokovic at FO in 2011
3) as Roddick and Forget have confirmed Nadal was carrying an injury all through RG2021 so both times Djokovic won FO nadal was injured.
Now joining the dots had Federer had two years when Nadal was injured im pretty sure he would have won the FO more than once.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Djokovic fans claim he is better than Federer on clay. Unless my memory is failing
1) federer won FO when Nadal was at his peak
2) federer post prime beat unbeaten prime Djokovic at FO in 2011
3) as Roddick and Forget have confirmed Nadal was carrying an injury all through RG2021 so both times Djokovic won FO nadal was injured.
Now joining the dots had Federer had two years when Nadal was injured im pretty sure he would have won the FO more than once.

The fact is that Djokovic didn't even once got over very well playing Nadal. Same as Federer.

The rest is pain that needs to surface in all sorts of numbers joggling.

 

[Beckerserve]

The fact is that Djokovic didn't even once got over very well playing Nadal. Same as Federer.

The rest is pain that needs to surface in all sorts of numbers joggling.

Federer had to face clay court beast Nadal pre 2010. He always usually bar 2008 gave Nadal a tough match.
Djokovic was never close to Nadal on clay st RG until 2013 by which point Nadal was much slower after his knees kept him out of most of 2012 post FO.
I have been watching in lockdown old matches. Peak Federer did everything better than peak Djokovic at his best bar the BH. Federer ROS pre 2008 was brilliant and on par with Djokovic. Evetything else Federer was much better. Serve FH volleys far stronger for Federer.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Wow, "more dominant" Djokovic has 2 RG vs 13 for Nadal.

I can only imagine what would have been, if he was less dominant.

No one said Novak is more dominant than Nadal on clay..

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Federer had to face clay court beast Nadal pre 2010. He always usually bar 2008 gave Nadal a tough match.
Djokovic was never close to Nadal on clay st RG until 2013 by which point Nadal was much slower after his knees kept him out of most of 2012 post FO.
I have been watching in lockdown old matches. Peak Federer did everything better than peak Djokovic at his best bar the BH. Federer ROS pre 2008 was brilliant and on par with Djokovic. Evetything else Federer was much better. Serve FH volleys far stronger for Federer.

Yes, I consider 2013 to be the last year when Nadal was basically bullet proof at RG in the later rounds. Djokovic gave him a close match, but still not enough (I would liken that match a bit to the Rome 2006 final) with Federer playing slightly better than Djokovic, but not by much.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yes, I consider 2013 to be the last year when Nadal was basically bullet proof at RG in the later rounds. Djokovic gave him a close match, but still not enough (I would liken that match a bit to the Rome 2006 final) with Federer playing slightly better than Djokovic, but not by much.

Totally agree.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

No one said Novak is more dominant than Nadal on clay..

And my post doesn't imply something like that.

It implies that the Djoke brigade is engaging in falsifying (again) the conclusions about what the numbers really mean.

Their implication is that the numbers show what they claim, yet the difference on clay in big titles won is abysmally big in favour of Nadal (clay plus HC), compared to Djokovic's on HC. Nadal has one Major title less on clay than Djokovic has on HC plus clay COMBINED!

 

[Bartelby]

The Djoker Brigade is cheating the readers? How original is that accusation!

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Yet Nadal has both the USO and RG h2hs. Interesting.

 

[thrust]

Hm how does the one dimensional dirt baller have 4 USOs while the HC GOAT only has 3?

Own it and move on bud

The AO is also played on HC, 9-1 Novak. Also 6 of the 9 masters are on HC.

 

[beard]

I know that the Djoke glasses you are wearing are made of pain, so it is no wonder that you see that.

I wear goat glasses... Everything is beautiful looking through those glasses...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I wear goat glasses... Everything is beautiful looking through those glasses...

You will outgrow that too, don't worry.

 

[Sunny014]

lots of insecurity in these multiple threads.

We get it, novak is goat, no need to beat a dead horse lol

Not really ....... Federer is the GOAT.

 

[ForehandRF]

Not really ....... Federer is the GOAT.

Great edit

 

[Sunny014]

Great edit

Found it on the internet
Edit truly is amazing
Perfectly face is fitting

 

[Sunny014]

Had Federer stole 2-3 hard court slams and 3-4 wimbledons in the 2010s from Djokodal then he would have been Superman.

Unfortunately now we have people crossing him in slams creating a GOAT argument.

 

[killerboss]

2-1 USO slam head to head and 4-3 in USO slams against Nadal. Can't be more dominant with losing head to head at a hard court slam (and less slams) no matter what some percentage of m1000 included results say.

 

[Sunny014]

Federer should not have lost 2008, 2014, 2015 and 2019 wimbledons and also should have beaten Tsonga at 2011 Wimbledon and reached the final
He should have won 2009 AO, 2011 USO, 2015 USO as well.

Would have been on 27-28 slams today

 

[Jai]

Several people who are bitterly contesting this discussion with OP, are clearly displaying they haven't even understood the thread topic properly. READ before regurgitation of stock responses, is a good advice for these.

1) The thread states, simply, that Novak has dominated Rafa more on hard than Rafa has dominated him on clay. It specifically refers to their h2h on surfaces as a whole, not only on slams. How can you contest this based on the numbers? The h2h actually speaks for itself.

2) HOWEVER, considering only slams, it is true that Rafa, thus far, has been more dominant on clay than Novak is on hard. He has won 77% of their meetings at RG, while Novak has won 60% of their meetings on hard court slams. But I think, given a few more matches to come, this number would very well change. Let's not so conveniently forget that Rafa has not beaten Novak at a hc slam (nor on grass either), since 2013.

I would add here, that one thing also needs to be understood. Novak has been good enough on clay to reach latter rounds and play Rafa 9 times at RG. Not intending this as a knock on Rafa, who is my 2nd fave champ, but he has not been good enough consistently on hc slams to reach far enough to meet Novak-- they have met 5 times in total. Not since 2013! at the USO, and not between 2012 to 2019 at the AO. You can hardly fault Novak for Rafa not progressing to meet him at the AO all these years, while he was keeping his end of the deal and meeting Rafa at RG, no?