Patrick Mouratoglou:Nadal isn't talented,Wozniacki is more rational than Nadal

[Dutch-Guy]

It roughly reads like this:

This is not an aberration, it is a reality (smiles). I would not say that it is an aberration because you recognize his great merit. In France, we are so focused on talent, we are trying to find talent to Nadal. He has two billion qualities that definitely does not see and he seeks what he did not! Today, we have a world of number ones that are not particularly talented but have built their characters and have the will to become champions. Caroline is more rational than Nadal, more instinctive. Caroline is more of a product. Her father wanted her like that, but he has done things. It is very pragmatic, highly motivated and organized. She'll be number one by his work, his desire never to let go and fight each day fully. These are the true values of sport. I find it very well like it or not

Original text in Franch

Ce n'est pas une aberration, c'est une réalité (sourires). Je n'irai pas jusqu'à dire que c'est une aberration parce qu'il faut lui reconnaître beaucoup de mérite. En France, on est tellement focalisé sur le talent, on est en train de trouver du talent à Nadal. Il a deux milliards de qualités qu'on ne veut absolument pas voir et on lui cherche ce qu'il n'a pas ! Aujourd'hui, on a des numéros 1 mondiaux qui ne sont pas spécialement talentueux mais qui se sont construits avec de gros caractères de champion et de la volonté. Caroline est plus rationnelle que Nadal, plus instinctif. Caroline est davantage un produit. Son père l'a voulue comme ça, mais il a bien fait les choses. Il est très pragmatique, hyper motivé et organisé. Elle va être numéro 1 par son travail, son envie de ne jamais rien lâcher et de se battre chaque jour à fond. Ce sont les vraies valeurs du sport. Je trouve cela très bien que cela plaise ou pas.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves...mouratoglou-loue-le-travail-de-wozniacki.html

According to this clown,Nadal has no talent and Wozniacki is more instinctive and rational than him. *SMH*

 

[Gaab]

You're simplifying it a bit, aren't you?

 

[single_handed_champion]

She is instinctive, and yet a product. Nadal has a billion good qualities and is still untalented. Oh man, I know you're a hack, just try to think once in a while of what you say. (if the translation is incorrect, my apologies )

I fear for the likes of Rezai, Wickmayer and Cirstea who have him for a coach. Their stocks sure are plummeting.

 

[ZhingJ]

Hahah, too funny. *********s are sooooooo insecure. And there is a reason for it .

 

[TennisandMusic]

Hahah, too funny. *********s are sooooooo insecure. And there is a reason for it .

On the contrary. Federer fans are quite insecure. Just look at what happens to players on this board who beat him. Actually this very article demonstrates that. Just more thinly veiled Federer angst. What's funny is that I be this kind of stuff motivates Nadal even more.

 

[Dutch-Guy]

You're simplifying it a bit, aren't you?

Uh how? I put the original text and the translated version out there.Only a *** can say that Wozzy is more instinctive and rational than Nadal (I''ve nothing personal against Wozzy though).

 

[ZhingJ]

You're simplifying it a bit, aren't you?

Kind of a silly question to pose to a *********. It's their way.

 

[intrepidish]

According to this clown,Nadal has no talent and Wozniacki is more instinctive and rational than him. *SMH*

Mouratoglou has been writing very strange pieces for Yahoo France (which are now being translated for other Yahoos) for some time.

This summer he claimed Federer the champion was back and that he would not lose. After the US Open he started writing about how Federer was injured and also somehow needs a plan to beat Nadal (i.e. Mouatoglou's plan which he wrote up in an article).

His wrap-up of the US Open included 3 times more writing on Federer than on Nadal much less Djokovic.

His pieces now are literally a series of advice columns on how to beat Nadal.

Seriously.

 

[ashitaka2010]

The translation is correct, he implies BOTH are not talented. One is rational (Caro) the other more instinctive (Rafa).

But remember he is Aravane Rezai's coach. :neutral:

Some people in my country still believe there are talent: Gasquet, aka 'le petit Mozart' and athletes: Rafa, aka 'le taureau de Manacor'.

This is not an aberration, it is a reality (smiles). I would not say that it is an aberration because we have to recognize her great merit. In France, we are so focused on talent, we are trying to find talent to Nadal. He has two billion qualities that definitely we don't see and we seek what he has not! Today, we have two world number one that are not particularly talented but have built their characters and have the will to become champions. Caroline is more rational than Nadal, more instinctive.Caroline is more of a product. Her father wanted her like that, but he has done things right. He is very pragmatic, highly motivated and organized. She'll be number one by her work, her desire to never to let go and to fight each day fully. These are the true values of sport. I think it's great, like it or not

 

[intrepidish]

The translation is correct, he implies BOTH are not talented. One is rational (Caro) the other more instinctive (Rafa).

But remember he is Aravane Rezai's coach. :neutral:

Some people in my country still believe there are talent: Gasquet, aka 'le petit Mozart' and athletes: Rafa, aka 'le taureau de Manacor'.

Actually, he is no longer Rezai's coach but otherwise you are correct I have found every one of his columns to be some of the worst writing about tennis in the genre.

 

[single_handed_champion]

The translation is correct, he implies BOTH are not talented. One is rational (Caro) the other more instinctive (Rafa).

But remember he is Aravane Rezai's coach. :neutral:

Some people in my country still believe there are talent: Gasquet, aka 'le petit Mozart' and athletes: Rafa, aka 'le taureau de Manacor'.

This is VERY different from saying 'Caroline is more rational than Nadal, more instinctive.' Still, if Nadal is instinctive, is that not a talent? Yet he says he has a billion qualities which he ignores while developing others, all of which leave him rather devoid of talent.

I sure hope this is the logic born of Google Translate more than anything else.

 

[intrepidish]

This is VERY different from saying 'Caroline is more rational than Nadal, more instinctive.' Still, if Nadal is instinctive, is that not a talent? Yet he says he has a billion qualities which he ignores while developing others, all of which leave him rather devoid of talent.

I sure hope this is the logic born of Google Translate more than anything else.

No it isn't a result of the translation. The original piece is damning with faint praise and like I said, his Yahoo columns say many of the same things in different ways.

Some are now available in English if you are interested:http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/patrick-mouratoglou/

Last 2 titles are "Murray capable of usurping Nadal" and "Federer's strategy to stop Nadal."

Seriously.

Also noteworthy is the US Open wrap-up to be read side by side with "US Open preview: Roger my favourite"

All very amusing.

 

[Heracles]

Mouratoglou is a complete idiot.

I read french and I can tell you that he implies really that Nadal has no talent and is basically just a hard worker.

The thing is that Nadal has more talent and achieved thousands times above than every Mouratoglou failed products.

Mouratoglou is now officially one of the most stupid and clueless person in tennis for me. His credibility is dead and his opinion is less valuable than the opinion of a 5 years old kid.

 

[bolo]

Some of the french players and fans must feel good after reading articles like this.

 

[intrepidish]

Some of the french players and fans must feel good after reading articles like this.

Yea especially the part where he says: "Le jour où la fédé veut bosser avec moi, je suis là. Aujourd'hui, ce n'est pas le cas, c'est catastrophique La Fédé fait de la politique, c'est dommage. Mais je ne veux pas critiquer la FFT ."

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"The day that the French Federation of Tennis wants to work with me, I will be there. Today that is not the case, it is a catastrophe. The Federation is all about politics, it is a shame. But I don't want to criticize the Federation"


Seriously.

You can't make Mouratoglou up.

 

[Xemi666]

And what's his definition of talent exactly? Lol, talent is just subjective. What I know is Nadal's achievements in the sport whoop ass.

 

[ashitaka2010]

Actually, he is no longer Rezai's coach but otherwise you are correct I have found every one of his columns to be some of the worst writing about tennis in the genre.

Ha ha ha... who is her coach?

...wait... I don't really care

 

[Joe Pike]

The translation isn't that accurate ...

Yes, it isn't.

 

[Dutch-Guy]

Mouratoglou has been writing very strange pieces for Yahoo France (which are now being translated for other Yahoos) for some time.

This summer he claimed Federer the champion was back and that he would not lose. After the US Open he started writing about how Federer was injured and also somehow needs a plan to beat Nadal (i.e. Mouatoglou's plan which he wrote up in an article).

His wrap-up of the US Open included 3 times more writing on Federer than on Nadal much less Djokovic.

His pieces now are literally a series of advice columns on how to beat Nadal.

Seriously.

Etant moitié Français moi-même (coté maternel),je n'ai jamais compris la haine que certains Français éprouvent envers les Espagnols.Cet article en est l'illustration.

Being a champion to me is a combination of: talent,hard work,physical and mental strength (and a bit of luck). No wonder that French tennis is going nowhere with coaches like this.

 

[ashitaka2010]

This is VERY different from saying 'Caroline is more rational than Nadal, more instinctive.' Still, if Nadal is instinctive, is that not a talent? Yet he says he has a billion qualities which he ignores while developing others, all of which leave him rather devoid of talent.

I sure hope this is the logic born of Google Translate more than anything else.

Actually, it doesn't really make sense in french either... but it's the only way to interpret Patrick thoughtful explanation of talent .

 

[ashitaka2010]

Etant moitié Français moi-même (coté maternel),je n'ai jamais compris la haine que certains Français éprouvent envers les Espagnols.Cet article en est l'illustration.

Being a champion to me is a combination of: talent,hard work,physical and mental strength (and a bit of luck). No wonder that French tennis is going nowhere with coaches like this.

Complexe de supériorité.

 

[Sentinel]

And what's his definition of talent exactly? Lol, talent is just subjective. What I know is Nadal's achievements in the sport whoop ass.

Murray is the definitive definition of talent.

 

[intrepidish]

Complexe de supériorité.

Etant moitié Français moi-même (coté maternel),je n'ai jamais compris la haine que certains Français éprouvent envers les Espagnols.Cet article en est l'illustration.

Being a champion to me is a combination of: talent,hard work,physical and mental strength (and a bit of luck). No wonder that French tennis is going nowhere with coaches like this.

Very well-put. Having lived in both countries at length I have noticed the French treating the Spanish as poor cousins with some regularity.

Moreover, there is a preference among many in France for an imaginary 'aesthetic game' to be opposed to an 'effective one' (which one also sees on these boards a bit too for that matter )

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

On the contrary. Federer fans are quite insecure. Just look at what happens to players on this board who beat him. Actually this very article demonstrates that. Just more thinly veiled Federer angst. What's funny is that I be this kind of stuff motivates Nadal even more.

Yeah you Nadal fans love Soderling right? :roll:

Call it both ways man.

And you really think Nadal listens to idiots like this to motivate himself? :lol:

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Yeah you Nadal fans love Soderling right? :roll:

Call it both ways man.

I love Soderling. I've just purchased my Soderling season 2009 and 2010 dvd with a free Robin Soderling poster for 9.99.

 

[jackson vile]

On the contrary. Federer fans are quite insecure. Just look at what happens to players on this board who beat him. Actually this very article demonstrates that. Just more thinly veiled Federer angst. What's funny is that I be this kind of stuff motivates Nadal even more.

Nadal does not care, when you are achieving your dreams what else is there?

The article does not offend me at all, but it is extremely confusing LOL

 

[meg0529]

I think it's such an up yours to the French that Rafa completely dominates Roland Garros. Of course not everybody in France is like that, but a lot of criticism comes his way from the French. Hilarious!

 

[ashitaka2010]

Very well-put. Having lived in both countries at length I have noticed the French treating the Spanish as poor cousins with some regularity.

Moreover, there is a preference among many in France for an imaginary 'aesthetic game' to be opposed to an 'effective one' (which one also sees on these boards a bit too for that matter )

I am guilty of that...
Watch Rafael Nadal slide on court Phillipe Chatrier is the most fulfilling aesthetic experience for my imagination.

 

[MixieP]

Ok, so Nadal is not talented. Good, so now we know that you don't have to be talented to be the best tennis player in the world. When this shattering piece of knowledge sinks in, it will provide comfort to many.

 

[intrepidish]

I am guilty of that...
Watch Rafael Nadal slide on court Phillipe Chatrier is the most fulfilling aesthetic experience for my imagination.

I am with you there; I see a lot to admire in Nadal's style of play especially on clay but I think it is fair to say that his most vocal detractors seem concentrated in France on this score...

 

[ZhingJ]

Ok, so Nadal is not talented. Good, so now we know that you don't have to be talented to be the best tennis player in the world. When this shattering piece of knowledge sinks in, it will provide comfort to many.

Very true and balanced post by another Nadal fan, kudos.

 

[P_Agony]

Uh how? I put the original text and the translated version out there.Only a *** can say that Wozzy is more instinctive and rational than Nadal (I''ve nothing personal against Wozzy though).

How can you expect anyone to take your posts seriously when your lie in you signature?

 

[pound cat]

Actually, he is no longer Rezai's coach but otherwise you are correct I have found every one of his columns to be some of the worst writing about tennis in the genre.

He owns a tennis academy & I wonder what he teaches his students. His aricles which are frequently on eurosport.co.uk are eg an analysis of why Nadal will not win USO, tips to Federer about how to beat Nadal. Blah, blah, blah.

 

[pound cat]

Mouratoglou has been writing very strange pieces for Yahoo France (which are now being translated for other Yahoos) for some time.

This summer he claimed Federer the champion was back and that he would not lose. After the US Open he started writing about how Federer was injured and also somehow needs a plan to beat Nadal (i.e. Mouatoglou's plan which he wrote up in an article).

His wrap-up of the US Open included 3 times more writing on Federer than on Nadal much less Djokovic.

His pieces now are literally a series of advice columns on how to beat Nadal.




Seriously.

Plus an article about how Wozniaki will win USO 2010 and Nadal won't.

If I was sending my child to his "Academy" I would demand a refund.

 

[bolo]

Plus an article about how Wozniaki will win USO 2010 and Nadal won't.

If I was sending my child to his "Academy" I would demand a refund.

The Woz is a big nadal fan. She's probably like WTF Patrick?

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Plus an article about how Wozniaki will win USO 2010 and Nadal won't. .

Perhaps the most clueless prediction for any of the 2010 majors; Wozniacki proved she could not defeat the biggest on tour, and certainly not at the majors, so there was no chance for such an unimaginative, tactically-challenged game to win any this year. OTOH, Nadal has evolved so much as a player that all of the "advice" to Federer in the world was not going to stop a player now outclassing Federer as top male in the sport in convincing fashion.

 

[namelessone]

Wozniacki is better than Nadal

As eye candy.

 

[EnigmaticPragmatic]

most excellent pic

 

[Bendex]

I love his article. It's comforting to know that I don't need much talent to be number one, win a career Grand Slam and have a winning record over Federer... I just have to work hard. It's strange that no one else has tried this.

There are like 50 guys outside the top 200 trying to do Nadal's forehand. Perhaps it does take some talent to hit it properly.

 

[ZhingJ]

Wozniacki is better than Nadal

As eye candy.

Those are unusually large feet, aren't they?

 

[Sentinel]

Wozniacki is better than Nadal

As eye candy.

not much scope for arguing ...

 

[TMF]

I think it's such an up yours to the French that Rafa completely dominates Roland Garros. Of course not everybody in France is like that, but a lot of criticism comes his way from the French. Hilarious!

So whoever dominates RG is not like by the French? Borg & Kuerten is not like by the French. Hilarious!

 

[TMF]

Plus an article about how Wozniaki will win USO 2010 and Nadal won't.

Perhaps the most clueless prediction for any of the 2010 majors; Wozniacki proved she could not defeat the biggest on tour, and certainly not at the majors, so there was no chance for such an unimaginative, tactically-challenged game to win any this year. OTOH, Nadal has evolved so much as a player that all of the "advice" to Federer in the world was not going to stop a player now outclassing Federer as top male in the sport in convincing fashion.

In any sports, there are time when an underdog win. If this isn't new to you, not always the best player win. Plus, Wozniacki was the finalist last year and current #2, so it's nothing wrong in predicting her to win the USO. Did anyone expect Schiavone to win this year FO?? Didn't think so.

Please, try to understand the history of sport!

 

[Mr_Shiver]

Murray is the definitive definition of talent.

I agree Bill Murray is quite talented.

 

[MixieP]

In any sports, there are time when an underdog win. If this isn't new to you, not always the best player win. Plus, Wozniacki was the finalist last year and current #2, so it's nothing wrong in predicting her to win the USO. Did anyone expect Schiavone to win this year FO?? Didn't think so.

Please, try to understand the history of sport!

Not even I did that, to be honest.

 

[TMF]

Not even I did that, to be honest.

Right. It's hilarious to hear some members think Wozniacki has no chacne at the USO. Schiavone was ranked #17, never done anything to get the respect from the fans, and no one predict her to win. And yet, she won the FO over a heavy favor Stosur. Davy won the YEC last year and he was the last player fans expect him to win. And yes, he proved everyone wrong. Surprise winners come into play all the time. Some posters don't know what they are talking about.

 

[aldeayeah]

Yeah you Nadal fans love Soderling right?

Hey I do! Don't generalize!

 

[intrepidish]

Surprise winners come into play all the time.

On the men's side the slams have been pretty consistent as I think everyone knows & on the women's side minus the French it hasn't been all that hard to imagine who will win those as well.

The US Open is not the French Open especially if Williams and Clijsters are healthy. Wozniacki might be there someday but for now she isn't beating Clijsters & Williams on hard court at a slam nor Williams on grass.

Among other things, she is 0-4 against Venus, 0-2 against Serena, 0-1 aganst Clijsters, 0-1 against Henin, 0-4 against Jankovic etc

 

[Cyan]

I really hope Nadal wins FO next year. So all the French people that hate him sulk.

So whoever dominates RG is not like by the French? Borg & Kuerten is not like by the French. Hilarious!

Borg and Kuerten are not Spaniards who are hated by the French. The French have no problem whatsoever with the Swedes and Brazilians... But they can't stand the Spaniards... Almost 30 years without a French slam winner. :lol: 1983 :lol:

 

[Sentinel]

I agree Bill Murray is quite talented.

Perhaps what i said was Lost in Translation.