Possible worst half of draw in years

[TripleATeam]

With Nadal's withdrawal from Miami, you begin to see what might be the easiest draw for a player in months, if not years.

SF: Zverev
QF: Thiem
R16: Isner
R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

With Zverev as a #2 seed and Thiem as #3/#4, it's a distinct possibility that one side of the draw may see a Djokovic/Federer semifinal and the other could see Zverev/Thiem.

 

[EloQuent]

QF: Thiem

R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

This is really an argument against awarding points for clay.

 

[Atennisone]

With Nadal's withdrawal from Miami, you begin to see what might be the easiest draw for a player in months, if not years.

SF: Zverev
QF: Thiem
R16: Isner
R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

With Zverev as a #2 seed and Thiem as #3/#4, it's a distinct possibility that one side of the draw may see a Djokovic/Federer semifinal and the other could see Zverev/Thiem.

Zverev is not that bad in non-Grand-Slams. But I agree that from R96-QF it is awful easy.

 

[Steve0904]

Very disrespectful to defending champ Jizzner!

 

[TripleATeam]

Zverev is not that bad in non-Grand-Slams. But I agree that from R96-QF it is awful easy.

Well, the idea is if you'd rather have Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, or Zverev waiting for you in the semifinal.

 

[EloQuent]

Well, the idea is if you'd rather have Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, or Zverev waiting for you in the semifinal.

Which is least likely to show?

 

[NBP]

Zverev BO3 GOAT, no slander shall prosper

 

[ibbi]

I mean Thiem is finalist in Indian Wells, and Zverev and Isner are last years finalists of this tournament. Hardly worst half of a draw in years, but short memories do reign here, don't they?

 

[raph6]

With Nadal's withdrawal from Miami, you begin to see what might be the easiest draw for a player in months, if not years.

SF: Zverev
QF: Thiem
R16: Isner
R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

With Zverev as a #2 seed and Thiem as #3/#4, it's a distinct possibility that one side of the draw may see a Djokovic/Federer semifinal and the other could see Zverev/Thiem.

WTF is that count ? Where are the 1/8 and what is R96 ?

 

[Le Master]

It was even worse in 2017 at IW.

 

[TripleATeam]

WTF is that count ? Where are the 1/8 and what is R96 ?

Fairly simple: An eighth-final is a round with 8 matches, which on this forum is typically called the "R16" or "Round of 16" because that's the number of people in it.

Similarly, R96 is the round of 96 players, which is a R128 where 32 of them have received a bye, since Miami and IW have 96-player draws.

Capiche?

 

[tennisaddict]

Let us hope Fed and Djoker are in opposite half and make it to finals unscathed .

Would like Kyrgios to make it to later rounds and Zverev to suddenly catch fire and make it to SF

 

[Tennis_Hands]

That is not an "easy" draw, with or without Nadal or Federer in it, and at the moment any draw on HC missing Djokovic looks "easier".

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

I wouldn't be surprised if none of the top 4 seeds make finals/semifinals

 

[True Fanerer]

Fairly simple: An eighth-final is a round with 8 matches, which on this forum is typically called the "R16" or "Round of 16" because that's the number of people in it.

Similarly, R96 is the round of 96 players, which is a R128 where 32 of them have received a bye, since Miami and IW have 96-player draws.

Capiche?

 

[True Fanerer]

I don't know. There's some young guys playing decent lately. The early rounds may be tougher than they look on paper. Depends on if they keep it up.

 

[tennisfanboy]

With Nadal's withdrawal from Miami, you begin to see what might be the easiest draw for a player in months, if not years.

SF: Zverev
QF: Thiem
R16: Isner
R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

With Zverev as a #2 seed and Thiem as #3/#4, it's a distinct possibility that one side of the draw may see a Djokovic/Federer semifinal and the other could see Zverev/Thiem.

Nadal will get another powder puff draw to challenge this possibly at US Open this year.

 

[augustobt]

Nadal will get another powder puff draw to challenge this possibly at US Open this year.

No way, as that draw proposed by the OP includes 2 top 10s.

 

[Nadal_Django]

With Nadal's withdrawal from Miami, you begin to see what might be the easiest draw for a player in months, if not years.

SF: Zverev
QF: Thiem
R16: Isner
R32: Cecchinato
R64: Djere/Pella
R96: Londero

With Zverev as a #2 seed and Thiem as #3/#4, it's a distinct possibility that one side of the draw may see a Djokovic/Federer semifinal and the other could see Zverev/Thiem.

Hmm, and how is this different from the Federer average draws in the past few years.

 

[MeatTornado]

It was even worse in 2017 at IW.

Murray the only big name to avoid the "Quarter of Death" and still lost 1st round anyway

 

[Sport]

This is really an argument against awarding points for clay.

Paella defeated Cilic at Wimbledon. Thus, that is an argument against grass as well.

 

[TripleATeam]

Hmm, and how is this different from the Federer average draws in the past few years.

I'm not making a statement on who's getting what draw, and everyone knows a pre-tournament draw will always get weaker as seeds get upset. You can't get a stronger draw from a weaker one. Naturally, the strongest draw pre-tournament can easily become weak if all the seeds lose R1. This is just a draw that's weak before the tournament.

If you want to make a comparison to Fed's draws recently, go ahead, but I'll mention Shanghai for example.

R32: Medvedev
R16: Raonic
QF: Nishikori
SF: JMDP
F: Djokovic

That's fairly strong in my opinion.

 

[EloQuent]

Paella defeated Cilic at Wimbledon. Thus, that is an argument against grass as well.

One victory doesn't change his overall record. Pella career stats:
Hard 38.9% (28-44)
Clay 55.2% (48-39)
Grass 36.4% (4-7)

But even if you consider him a soft surface player, OPs hypothetical is still an attack on surface diversity. If Rankings are based on overall record, you can always fill up a HC draw with clay specialists, or vice versa. So either you decide there should be separate rankings for the surfaces, or you drop the "weak draw" stuff.

 

[NuBas]

Is Federer for sure playing Miami? What if he pulls out as well?

 

[MajesticTennisManiac]

Is Federer for sure playing Miami? What if he pulls out as well?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1107112606022750208

 

[NuBas]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1107112606022750208

When was the last time Federer played Miami?

 

[ForehandRF]

When was the last time Federer played Miami?

Last year

 

[MajesticTennisManiac]

When was the last time Federer played Miami?

Last year - lost against Kokkinakis who hasn't won an ATP match since then.
Missed 3 out of last 6 editions though

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Downgrade Miami to a 500, upgrade Halle to a 1000.

Next.

 

[NuBas]

Last year - lost against Kokkinakis who hasn't won an ATP match since then.
Missed 3 out of last 6 editions though

Remember his loss to Kokkinakis but didn't remember which round. I guess IW and Miami are good practices for clay.