Druss
Hall of Fame
Correction: 6-15 vs Fed
12-55
Predict the Field for the 2016 ATP WTF
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12-55
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No particular order except for maybe Nole as n°1
Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Berdych, Goffin, Thiem, Raonic.
I could see Federer, Nadal and Murray fighting it out for the 2nd spot and either one of them could get it. same with Goffin, Thiem and Raonic for 6th.
Berdych's consistency is remarkable and I don't see that slipping away just yet.
Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Berdych, Goffin, Thiem, Raonic.
I could see Federer, Nadal and Murray fighting it out for the 2nd spot and either one of them could get it. same with Goffin, Thiem and Raonic for 6th.
Berdych's consistency is remarkable and I don't see that slipping away just yet.
Druss
Hall of Fame
Goffin has not got weapons to be in the mix with other top 5. He is a top 15 player, or at best may scrape through top 10. Gasquet is a much better player and yet struggles to just stay in top 10. Kyrgios or Tomic will break through top 10 before Thiem IMO.
mattosgrant
Banned
I love Goffin but I think he has already about maxed out his level. He could reach top 8 though if the field stays similarily weak to what it is right now.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
To those saying Thiem is a good chance at winning the French/making a deep run, i'm curious. What makes you think that?
He's good on clay yes but his results haven't been anything spectacular. Especially not enough to warrant people to think he'll win the French.
He hasn't gotten past the 2nd round at the French.
No quarterfinals at Clay Masters.
Only one top 10 win in his entire career (Stan on Clay)
Yes he won 3 clay titles but he didn't have to defeat a top 15 player to win any of the titles. Sure defeating top 20 players like Monfils, Goffin, Lopez and Isner are good wins but he'd have to face the top 5 players to win a slam and those players don't cut it.
I just don't understand how people think he'll have that big of a breakthrough. I mean from 2R in 2015 to the final at RG in 2016? Wow!
Hell, the kid reached the 4R at the US Open in 2014, 3R there in 2015 and has a QF on hard court Miami Masters. He has a better shot at going deep at the US Open based on his recent stuff!!
Completely agree. Tomic reached 2 Masters QF, 3 top 10 wins this year and has reached a slam QF.
Kyrgios has reached 2 slam QF's, 3 top 10 wins this year + number 1 Nadal last year.
Thiem just hasn't had the results to back up people thinking he'll go well at RG next year.
Tagging the people who thought Thiem would do well next year cause I want to hear some thoughts
@mavsman149 @Algo @Nathaniel_Near
He's good on clay yes but his results haven't been anything spectacular. Especially not enough to warrant people to think he'll win the French.
He hasn't gotten past the 2nd round at the French.
No quarterfinals at Clay Masters.
Only one top 10 win in his entire career (Stan on Clay)
Yes he won 3 clay titles but he didn't have to defeat a top 15 player to win any of the titles. Sure defeating top 20 players like Monfils, Goffin, Lopez and Isner are good wins but he'd have to face the top 5 players to win a slam and those players don't cut it.
I just don't understand how people think he'll have that big of a breakthrough. I mean from 2R in 2015 to the final at RG in 2016? Wow!
Hell, the kid reached the 4R at the US Open in 2014, 3R there in 2015 and has a QF on hard court Miami Masters. He has a better shot at going deep at the US Open based on his recent stuff!!
Completely agree. Tomic reached 2 Masters QF, 3 top 10 wins this year and has reached a slam QF.
Kyrgios has reached 2 slam QF's, 3 top 10 wins this year + number 1 Nadal last year.
Thiem just hasn't had the results to back up people thinking he'll go well at RG next year.
Tagging the people who thought Thiem would do well next year cause I want to hear some thoughts
@mavsman149 @Algo @Nathaniel_Near
SublimeTennis
Professional
This guys crazy, it will be DA FED. No one will beat Da Fed until maybe he's 60 years old, he's just letting these guys beat him to make tennis interesting, you saw him throw the match with Djoker yesterday. DA FED simply can't lose, I have a better question, who would win in a fight, a prime Mike Tyson or DA FED? I'd pick Fed in a two round knockout, he's let him survive the first round so the fans would get their moneis worth.
xan
Hall of Fame
I dont understand the hate at all. He isnt as good as those 3, so what?
One could say he has combined 12 wins vs 3 atg players, and not just any atg players, which how many others can boast with? Exactly.
Edit: to chip in, i expect at least 2/3 "new" names. Delpo being one of them.
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Nathaniel_Near
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To those saying Thiem is a good chance at winning the French/making a deep run, i'm curious. What makes you think that?
He's good on clay yes but his results haven't been anything spectacular. Especially not enough to warrant people to think he'll win the French.
He hasn't gotten past the 2nd round at the French.
No quarterfinals at Clay Masters.
Only one top 10 win in his entire career (Stan on Clay)
Yes he won 3 clay titles but he didn't have to defeat a top 15 player to win any of the titles. Sure defeating top 20 players like Monfils, Goffin, Lopez and Isner are good wins but he'd have to face the top 5 players to win a slam and those players don't cut it.
I just don't understand how people think he'll have that big of a breakthrough. I mean from 2R in 2015 to the final at RG in 2016? Wow!
Hell, the kid reached the 4R at the US Open in 2014, 3R there in 2015 and has a QF on hard court Miami Masters. He has a better shot at going deep at the US Open based on his recent stuff!!
Completely agree. Tomic reached 2 Masters QF, 3 top 10 wins this year and has reached a slam QF.
Kyrgios has reached 2 slam QF's, 3 top 10 wins this year + number 1 Nadal last year.
Thiem just hasn't had the results to back up people thinking he'll go well at RG next year.
Tagging the people who thought Thiem would do well next year cause I want to hear some thoughts
@mavsman149 @Algo @Nathaniel_Near
I don't have much analysis for you.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/rankings/singles
Thiem ended the year in the top 20 so I'm predicting he'll be close with Kyrgios and others at the end of next year, with neither top-8. His ranking is similar to Tomic's who I've predicted to make the YEC. Kyrgios' is 30 but I'm expecting a bigger jump from him than the other two in terms of net gain in ranking spots next year (for me he underachieved this year).
Chicharito
Hall of Fame
The Big Three + Murray, Stan, Kei, Kevin and BERNARD.
Ferrer, Kyrgios, Thiem and Raonic close by.
Where do you think Grigor Dimitrov will end 2016 ranked?
Low seeding going to make things difficult.
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Nathaniel_Near
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Bah. I don't have a clue. I'll say he'll either have another mediocre year or he'll rocket up the ranks - he'll either be buoyed or demoralised depending on his results in the first few months of the year.
Dimitroll is a troll and an enigma.
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Nadal>>>>>Federer
Professional
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray
Wawrinka
Berdych
Federer
Tsonga
Thiem
Nadal
Murray
Wawrinka
Berdych
Federer
Tsonga
Thiem
Chicharito
Hall of Fame
Here is the race as it stands
1.Novak Djokovic 9040
2. Andy Murray 7225
3 Milos Raonic 4015
4 Kei Nishikori 3505
5 Rafael Nadal 2930
6 Dominic Thiem 2845
7 Stan Wawrinka 2730
8 Gael Monfils 2545
9 Tomas Berdych 2440
10 Roger Federer 2130*
11 David Goffin 2085
1.Novak Djokovic 9040
2. Andy Murray 7225
3 Milos Raonic 4015
4 Kei Nishikori 3505
5 Rafael Nadal 2930
6 Dominic Thiem 2845
7 Stan Wawrinka 2730
8 Gael Monfils 2545
9 Tomas Berdych 2440
10 Roger Federer 2130*
11 David Goffin 2085
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Not completely terrible. Only got Federer wrong since Nadal qualified but didn't play.
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Usually the case that fortune favors the bold. Because you went way out on a limb with your picks, gold soothsayer star for you.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
@Mods, Is it possible to rename this thread as WTF field for next edition ? This will allow this thread to get rolled over for discussions for next year as soon as this years WTF is over. In long run this thread would become a good reflection on transitions that happen in tennis field and would be a beautiful read for all connoisseurs.
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Hall of Fame
My Prediction for next edition:
Murray
Djokovic
Nadal
Delpo
Nishikori
Raonic
Pouille
Kyrgios/Thiem
An additional option is Cilic who could come at the expense of Delpo is he again runs into injuries.
I have assumed that
1. Federer would not be able to make a successful comeback past age of 35.
2. Wawrinka would fade out
3. Time of late Noughties likes of Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils, Gasquet is firmly over.
4. Nadal would still win enough in Clay season to maintain a top 8 ranking.
5. Murray and Djokovic likely to dominate the tour. Even if they don't to the extent they did in 2016, there is no possibility of them moving out of top 8.
6. Pouille is undoubtedly best of gen-next and lock-in from my side to end in top 8.
7. Mezzanine-Gen would have fair representation in form of Nishi,Raonic and Delpo. May be Cilic as well.
Murray
Djokovic
Nadal
Delpo
Nishikori
Raonic
Pouille
Kyrgios/Thiem
An additional option is Cilic who could come at the expense of Delpo is he again runs into injuries.
I have assumed that
1. Federer would not be able to make a successful comeback past age of 35.
2. Wawrinka would fade out
3. Time of late Noughties likes of Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils, Gasquet is firmly over.
4. Nadal would still win enough in Clay season to maintain a top 8 ranking.
5. Murray and Djokovic likely to dominate the tour. Even if they don't to the extent they did in 2016, there is no possibility of them moving out of top 8.
6. Pouille is undoubtedly best of gen-next and lock-in from my side to end in top 8.
7. Mezzanine-Gen would have fair representation in form of Nishi,Raonic and Delpo. May be Cilic as well.
enlightenment
Semi-Pro
Obviously, discounting injury/withdrawal, my predicted order:
Murray - probably no 1 purely on consistency.
Federer - expect strong performances in important tournaments (WIM/USO/WTF), enough to stag no 2. Will probably flop with a few early round losses giving Murray No 1.
Djokovic - more consistent than the rest of the tour obviously. Expect a final appearances in a GS (probably RG), but no GS wins given his lost mental edge.
Dimitrov - continued upswing of form should see excellent progression this year
Nishikori - normally hangs around this area of the rankings with solid runs in all the majors and M1000s.
Nadal - will have a strongish clay season, but I don't see him managing to play a full season unfortunately. Should comfortably make WTFs.
Raonic - superior seedings early in the season will gift him some easier points. Should return to form by grass season, but expect a bit of a letdown from 2016.
Wawrinka - will scrape through with a few SF appearances at majors (probably RG/USO). Expect his poor run in M1000's to continue.
Alternates:
Zverev - very unfortunate to miss out, would have qualified with better seedings in early season tournaments (IW/Miami, clay)
Goffin - another consistent year ahead, slight improvement to 2016 puts him just 1/2 spots up the rankings.
Missing out completely (in no particular order)
-Cilic - poor start to the season will continue, will be difficult to defend titles such a Cincinnati. Mental edge loss with severe scarring from 5-set losses in 2016 while ahead.
-Thiem - a work in progress. Will probably have a much better 2018 than 2017.
-Monfils - qualified in 2016 on the basis of weak draws. Had a severely negative top 10 H2H in 2016, don't expect so many lucky draws this year.
-Berdych - will struggle, especially with lower seedings for the first time in a long time. May have some deepish tournament runs with easy draws
Perhaps this guessing exercise is all futile, and it would be better to look at who you think can make a grand slam SF.
Murray - probably no 1 purely on consistency.
Federer - expect strong performances in important tournaments (WIM/USO/WTF), enough to stag no 2. Will probably flop with a few early round losses giving Murray No 1.
Djokovic - more consistent than the rest of the tour obviously. Expect a final appearances in a GS (probably RG), but no GS wins given his lost mental edge.
Dimitrov - continued upswing of form should see excellent progression this year
Nishikori - normally hangs around this area of the rankings with solid runs in all the majors and M1000s.
Nadal - will have a strongish clay season, but I don't see him managing to play a full season unfortunately. Should comfortably make WTFs.
Raonic - superior seedings early in the season will gift him some easier points. Should return to form by grass season, but expect a bit of a letdown from 2016.
Wawrinka - will scrape through with a few SF appearances at majors (probably RG/USO). Expect his poor run in M1000's to continue.
Alternates:
Zverev - very unfortunate to miss out, would have qualified with better seedings in early season tournaments (IW/Miami, clay)
Goffin - another consistent year ahead, slight improvement to 2016 puts him just 1/2 spots up the rankings.
Missing out completely (in no particular order)
-Cilic - poor start to the season will continue, will be difficult to defend titles such a Cincinnati. Mental edge loss with severe scarring from 5-set losses in 2016 while ahead.
-Thiem - a work in progress. Will probably have a much better 2018 than 2017.
-Monfils - qualified in 2016 on the basis of weak draws. Had a severely negative top 10 H2H in 2016, don't expect so many lucky draws this year.
-Berdych - will struggle, especially with lower seedings for the first time in a long time. May have some deepish tournament runs with easy draws
Perhaps this guessing exercise is all futile, and it would be better to look at who you think can make a grand slam SF.
- 2016: 7/8 WTF qualifiers reached a grand slam SF. (exception was Cilic - who won a M1000) The only player to make a grand slam SF and miss out was Berdych (obviously Fed, Nadal were injured/withdrew) 87.5% chance that reaching a slam SF meant WTF qualification.
- 2015: 5/8 WTF qualifiers reached a grand slam SF. (exceptions were Nishikori, Nadal, Ferrer). Gasquet, Tsonga, Cilic all reached grand slam SF's but failed to qualify. 62.5% chance that reaching a slam SF meant WTF qualification.
- 2014: 8/8! WTF qualifiers reached a grand slam SF. Dimitrov reached a grand slam SF but failed to qualify. Reaching a grand slam SF was a prerequisite in this year: 88.9% chance that reaching a slam SF meant WTF qualification.
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