Prokennex Black Ace 105 vs Black Ace 300

Vicaroo

New User
Hey there!

I'm a 34-year-old, skinny dude weighing in at 132lbs. I live in Europe, and I've been hitting the courts for about 20 months now, mostly on clay. I'm officially 3.0. My routine involves training once or twice a week with a couple of pro coaches at my club, who happen to be ex-ATP players. The rest of the time, I'm out there on the court for some fun, usually twice a week, with the occasional tournament thrown in for good measure. I clock in about 4-5 hours of play per week, and I've seen some solid improvement since the start of the year. Oh, and in case you're wondering, I never have to deal with broken strings. Like never. So I play with multi and change them every three months or so just to be safe (even if they haven't frayed that much).

So, here's the scoop: I recently switched over to a Yonex Ezone 100 2022 with multifilament strings (either full-bed Triax or PPC @ 52 lbs) about two months back, but it's not exactly love at first hit. I'm experiencing some discomfort in my arm (pain in the forearm, next to the ulnar bone after playing), and I find the racquet to be a bit too powerful, even when strung with control oriented multi at 55-56 lbs. My coaches ruled out any issues with my technique (as in, it isn't the cause of the discomfort, not as in "it's perfect, you are the next Roger Federer"), pointing the finger at the racquet itself (which, to be honest, feels pretty stiff and unforgiving -the feel in the arm- when I miss hitting the sweet spot). I'm steering clear of poly strings because I don't think they'd do me any favors, and the hassle of restringing every 15 hours isn't my idea of a good time. I'm not gunning for the people who use them and loved them here; I just want to enjoy the game and keep my arm intact.

After consulting with my coaches and doctor (who excluded the beggining stages of tennis/golfer's elbow or tendonitis), the consensus is that I should explore a more arm-friendly racquet if I want to continue with the current pace. Otherwise, "I sohuld mayble play a bit less". After some serious reading, I've got my sights set on the ProKennex lineup. I've narrowed it down to two contenders (okay, maybe three, but let's not get ahead of ourselves; I can't demo three racquets at once via TW Europe):

1. The Black Ace 105: The larger head size seems like it could be forgiving, but the RA is similar to the Ezone, so I'm on the fence. I'm also a bit wary of it potentially packing more power than the Ezone. It also has the highest swing weight of the bunch.

2. The Black Ace 300: Looks comfortable and not overly powerful. Unsure if it's more suited for advanced players. I can generate my own power just fine, but dont want to swing big and hit very hard every single time or I better say goodbye to my arm/shoulder.

Bonus Round: Considering the Black Ace 285 since it's lighter, but the swing weight is higher than both the Ezone 100 and the BA300. I thought maybe a slightly lighter racquet could ease up on my arm, but I've heard that it might mess with my technique since it allows for sloppy form. I also know that adding an overgrip, dampener and strings will increase the weight of course.

So, that's where I'm at. If anyone has experience with these frames, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks a bunch in advance!

P.S: Just to clarify, I'm not keen on switching to poly strings, and I'm pretty confident that my arm discomfort isn't due to my technique (which obviously is far from perfect and it can only improve). My coaches have had a good look and reckon it's not the culprit. And honestly, the Ezone 100 just isn't doing it for me.
P.S 2 : I also do resitance band exercices etc in order to be more fit for the sport and streghten the tendons and muscles.
 
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heavyD

Semi-Pro
I used the Black Ace 105 last year for a bit when I had tennis elbow issues. The racquet itself was a pretty average performing modern frame although I thought it felt a little unstable on balls hit in the upper portion of the stringbed. I ended up switching to the Speed MP as I actually found it more comfortable and an all around better racquet.
 

Vicaroo

New User
I used the Black Ace 105 last year for a bit when I had tennis elbow issues. The racquet itself was a pretty average performing modern frame although I thought it felt a little unstable on balls hit in the upper portion of the stringbed. I ended up switching to the Speed MP as I actually found it more comfortable and an all around better racquet.

Thank you for your feedback. Might want to check it out as well. How's the control on that one? Did you also feel it a bit more stable on balls hit in the upper portion of the stringbed?
I see there's a L version at 295gr unstrung, sounds about right. Nevermind, it's 280. The normal one is 300gr unstrung so that's perfect.
 
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atatu

Legend
I also used the Black Ace 105 for quite awhile while I was dealing with arm issues. It's really a nice frame, very powerful but also very comfortable, which is a hard combination to find. I had a Black Ace 300 for a couple of weeks as well, and found that it was underpowered for me. The only thing I did not like about the BA 105 was the swing weight which made my forehand a little sluggish. I think they are both good frames, if you can generate your own power the BA 300 might be the way to go. Also, I have a 2HBH, and I really like the BA 105 off that side, I guess it was the extra length.
 

Vicaroo

New User
I also used the Black Ace 105 for quite awhile while I was dealing with arm issues. It's really a nice frame, very powerful but also very comfortable, which is a hard combination to find. I had a Black Ace 300 for a couple of weeks as well, and found that it was underpowered for me. The only thing I did not like about the BA 105 was the swing weight which made my forehand a little sluggish. I think they are both good frames, if you can generate your own power the BA 300 might be the way to go. Also, I have a 2HBH, and I really like the BA 105 off that side, I guess it was the extra length.
Thank you. I also have a 2HBH.
Might try both of them and also maybe the Head Speed MP.
 
2. The Black Ace 300: Looks comfortable and not overly powerful. Unsure if it's more suited for advanced players. I can generate my own power just fine, but dont want to swing big and hit very hard every single time or I better say goodbye to my arm/shoulder.
I've played the Black Ace 300. It felt like a top-spin oriented frame. Semi-open 16-19 pattern and the sweet-spot was not as forgiving as I was expecting. The Ki5 295 that has a much more dense 16x20 is a goat frame. If I was to try something else from Pro Kennex that would be the Q+5 (X).

New Black Aces should be released late Spring or early Summer. Either wait for these or wait for TW discount for the current ones.
 

Vicaroo

New User
I've played the Black Ace 300. It felt like a top-spin oriented frame. Semi-open 16-19 pattern and the sweet-spot was not as forgiving as I was expecting. The Ki5 295 that has a much more dense 16x20 is a goat frame. If I was to try something else from Pro Kennex that would be the Q+5 (X).

New Black Aces should be released late Spring or early Summer. Either wait for these or wait for TW discount for the current ones.
Thanks.
How was the comfort on the Ki 295? I see it has a RA of 64. Did you feel it was too powerful or the right amount?
Didn't know about the new BA getting released in a couple of months. It'd be nice to wait then.
 
Thanks.
How was the comfort on the Ki 295? I see it has a RA of 64. Did you feel it was too powerful or the right amount?
Didn't know about the new BA getting released in a couple of months. It'd be nice to wait then.
Date is not something sure yet, just a heads-up. I've hardly ever had any arm issues regardless the racket I've used. The Ki5 295 is a must-try!
There's a possibility I get my hands on both the Ki5 295 and Black Ace 300 again in about 10 days from now. When I know for sure, I'll come back.
Both were mine and sold/traded to a VERY good friend. Most probably I will put them up for sale along with other frames he has.
I could re-review them when I get back home around 10 of April.
 

Vicaroo

New User
Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer. I might order both racquets to demo next week.
Please come back if you get them again, I'm interested in reading your reviews! I actually stumble upon your threads for the frames and read them carefully.
 
Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer. I might order both racquets to demo next week.
Please come back if you get them again, I'm interested in reading your reviews! I actually stumble upon your threads for the frames and read them carefully.
I believe I hit at a much better level now, so a re-visit could be useful.
 

ChanterRacquet

Professional
The Speed MP comes with a hefty swingweight for a 100” 16x19. Is there an MP-L version in Europe?

Or just look at the Boom MP which is very accessible. Dunlop CX 200 OS is also very accessible while not being too powerful.
 

Vicaroo

New User
The Speed MP comes with a hefty swingweight for a 100” 16x19. Is there an MP-L version in Europe?

Or just look at the Boom MP which is very accessible. Dunlop CX 200 OS is also very accessible while not being too powerful.
Thanks. My club has a partnership with Head and I tested the whole Boom and Speed line but didn’t like them. The Boom was better for me though. Tested the Gravity Team and liked it A LOT but I felt it was extremely light and underpowered and that it could benefit from some more weight so I’ll be testing the MP which is a bit heavier (and 100 sqin vs the 102 sqin of the Team).

We actually talked about the Dunlop on another thread yesterday. I’m gonna demo that one as well.
 

Steve Huff

G.O.A.T.
The 105 is slightly longer (not by much), and that extra length will be slightly harder on the arm than the standard length. The BA 300 is probably going to be lower in power. So why not try the Ki Q+5 or the Ki 10. The Ki Q+5 will be the easiest on the arm. It kept me playing long after my arm should have been shot. The Ki 10 has a little more power, feels a little stiffer, a little more spin, but still never hurt my arm. So one of these 2 seem like a better fit for you (as you described yourself).
 

Vicaroo

New User
The 105 is slightly longer (not by much), and that extra length will be slightly harder on the arm than the standard length. The BA 300 is probably going to be lower in power. So why not try the Ki Q+5 or the Ki 10. The Ki Q+5 will be the easiest on the arm. It kept me playing long after my arm should have been shot. The Ki 10 has a little more power, feels a little stiffer, a little more spin, but still never hurt my arm. So one of these 2 seem like a better fit for you (as you described yourself).
Thanks. I'm waiting on the Ki 5 (295) as we speak because I wanna test it as well.
 
I think the 105 is a great frame. I read above that a fellow forumer had stability issues- quite oppositly, i find it to be very stable. Great choice, i would go with this one based on your level
 

heavyD

Semi-Pro
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only user to note instability with balls hit in the upper portion of the head. It's not a bad frame if you want to be locked into a Pro Kennex. I just think there are better frames out there at this size like the Blade 104. Also not sure if this was just my frame but the paint quality was pretty poor on mine with the gloss sections having dust specks under and the rubbery area not being overly durable.
 

atatu

Legend
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only user to note instability with balls hit in the upper portion of the head. It's not a bad frame if you want to be locked into a Pro Kennex. I just think there are better frames out there at this size like the Blade 104. Also not sure if this was just my frame but the paint quality was pretty poor on mine with the gloss sections having dust specks under and the rubbery area not being overly durable.
The Blade 104 has significantly less power than the BA 105 though, if that is a consideration.
 
Last day in Athens today, got to see my Ki5 295 again and the Black Ace 300. These will be up for sale from my friend who has them. I could get them both back home for free to play with, but I got another free racket waiting for me home, a Wilson Blade V5 16x19, so it would get too many to play with. Get in touch if interested these 2 PKs.
 

heavyD

Semi-Pro
The Blade 104 has significantly less power than the BA 105 though, if that is a consideration.
Because of its extra mass. Blade 104 is much more maneuverable and easier to serve with. Blade 104 is easier to use which is the point of OS frames.
 
Hi heavyD, sorry, but I disagree.

The point of OS rackets is that they are more powerful, more stable, have extra reach and give some extra help on defense. The trade off is that they are less maneuverable. The point of OS, in my view, is not the increased maneuverability or that they are easier to maneuver, but quite the opposite, it is their downside
 

Vicaroo

New User
Last day in Athens today, got to see my Ki5 295 again and the Black Ace 300. These will be up for sale from my friend who has them. I could get them both back home for free to play with, but I got another free racket waiting for me home, a Wilson Blade V5 16x19, so it would get too many to play with. Get in touch if interested these 2 PKs.
Hi, thanks. I tested the PK Ki 5 (295) and it felt very very arm-friendly. I tested it side to side with a Gravity MP (295 as well) and the latter felt heavier and harder to swing, I don't know why.
I'm gonna teste them a couple of more times this week to see.
I still think that whatever my choice is, I'm gonna buy it new. But thanks for your offer.
 
Hi, thanks. I tested the PK Ki 5 (295) and it felt very very arm-friendly. I tested it side to side with a Gravity MP (295 as well) and the latter felt heavier and harder to swing, I don't know why.
I'm gonna teste them a couple of more times this week to see.
I still think that whatever my choice is, I'm gonna buy it new. But thanks for your offer.
Glad you liked the Ki5 295. It was my favorite racket for 2023. I may get it again from my very good friend. Fantastic racket!
 
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