Rank your Star Wars movies

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
I will see Rogue one next week so I Cannot rank it but no spoilers

Empire STrike Back- beyond obvious- A+
New Hope- Classic and Lucas did some good updates except the Hansvs Greedo scene- A-

Then it gets tough for the next 3

Revenge of the Sith- yes its flawed but got to love the entertaining light saber duels - B
Return of the Jedi- Would be number 2 if not for the little teddy bears- B
Force Awakens- Excellent script and dialogue just too rehashed- B

AOTC- still a good , fun popcorn movie- C+

Phantom Menance- There is nothing I can defend about this one except Maul- D
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Empire strikes back - A
A new hope - B+
Revenge of the sith - B
Return of the jedi - B
Rogue one- B
The force awakens - B-
Attack of the clones - C-
The phantom Menace - F-
 

vanioMan

Legend
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Return of the Jedi
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Star Wars
5. The Phantom Menace
6. Attack of the Clones
7. The Force Awakens

Havnen't seen Rogue One yet.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
episode V
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this, negociable it is not...

episode VI
episode VII
episode III
episode IV

(...)

episode I & II
i don't even remember them so much... i have this impression of a succession of too short sequences, lacking some 'intensity' and attempting to include too much pseudo-political elements.
clearly not as good as the others for me, but i have to confess i still had a pleasant time at the theater !
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haven't seen the last one yet... but plans to ;)
 
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Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
The light side of the force:

1. Empire
2. Star Wars
3. Return of ze Yeti + Force Awakens

The bad:

Revenge of the Sith

The abominable:

Attack of the Clowns
Phantom Fedace

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I have not seen Rogue One.

"The general opinion of Revenge of the Sith seems to be that it marks a distinct improvement on the last two episodes, The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. True, but only in the same way that dying from natural causes is preferable to crucifixion."
—Anthony Lane

hue hue
 
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70sHollywood

Guest
1. New Hope
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. The Phantom Menace
6. Force Awakens
7. Revenge of the Sith
8. Attack of the Clones

I really like them all though.
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars - A New Hope




3. Return of the Jedi a long way down in 3rd because of the Ewoks.

4. Force Awakens - enjoyable but didn't have the atmosphere of a 'Star Wars' film. How does a storm trooper only just discovering the force pick up a light sabre for the first time and win a duel against a trained dark Jedi Knight? The 'force is strong in this one' but it's not that strong.

I haven't seen Rogue One which my brother tells me is better than Awakens and is more like a 'Star Wars' film.

The rest I haven't bothered watching in their entirety despite having access to the DVDs. Too many bad points I couldn't bare (Ewan McGregor's accent, some CGI that didn't even look as realistic/good as triple-A PC games of the time, JarJar Binks as a character and the alien race he's a part of looked ridiculous, the 'acting', the dialogue, the script, sure I could list more points if I watched them from start to finish.)
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I'm usually an "original" fan (Rocky, ROTLA; Goldfinger is an exception in the 007 series) in movie franchises but V is better than IV, followed by VI. The rest...take a coin and flip for bad, worse, worst and beyond.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm usually an "original" fan (Rocky, ROTLA; Goldfinger is an exception in the 007 series) in movie franchises but V is better than IV, followed by VI. The rest...take a coin and flip for bad, worse, worst and beyond.
agreed. like Ernest Goes To Jail is above Ernest Goes To Camp
 

sphinx780

Hall of Fame
V
IV
VI - Rogue One

FA

Won't mention 90s prequels, then I'd also have to include the Christmas and ewok specials.

Rogue one feels like it fits with V and IV very well to me. VI has good and bad but is still always a part of the Holy Trinity Imo.

FA - I enjoyed it but felt more like a greatest hits album then the true album if it was music. To use Van Morrison as an example. I enjoy his hits but give me Astral Weeks if I can choose.
 

JoelSandwich

Hall of Fame
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return Of The Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge Of The Sith
7. Attack Of The Clones
8. The Phantom Menace
 

Midaso240

Legend
Don't care. The original ones were OK but will probably never watch them again. Saw Phantom Menace when it came out,terrible. Will never watch any of the other ones
 
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. New Hope
3. Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Attack of the Clones
7. Phantom Menace

Haven't see Rogue One yet.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
1) Star Wars, A New Hope (groundbreaking)
2) The Empire Strikes Back
None that followed have come close. Return Of Jedi was o.k. Force Awakens pretty good copy. Episodes 1-3, sucked. Rogue One probably see this week. Probably sucks too. :(
 

dlk

Hall of Fame
Not even counting story; Star Wars. As a 9 y/o, seeing it at the Movies was unreal. What was it 78? I saw the previews on the Midnight Special, and was hooked.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Don't care. The original ones were OK but will probably never watch them again. Saw Phantom Menace when it came out,terrible. Will never watch any of the other ones
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. New Hope
3. Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Attack of the Clones
7. Phantom Menace

Haven't see Rogue One yet.

ITs hard to determine ROTJ, FA and Sith in the right order but I picked Sith because its a super fun popcorn movie with great saber duels.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
1. Empire
2. New Hope


3. Return of the Jedi


4. Rogue
5. Force Awakens





6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Attack of the Clones
























8. Phantom Menace (unwatchable)
 
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nowhereman

Guest
1. Empire
2. ANH
3. ROTJ
4. Rogue One
5. ROTS
6. TFA
7. TPM
8. AOTC (clearly worse than TPM IMO)
 
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Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
1) Star Wars, A New Hope (groundbreaking)
2) The Empire Strikes Back
None that followed have come close. Return Of Jedi was o.k. Force Awakens pretty good copy. Episodes 1-3, sucked. Rogue One probably see this week. Probably sucks too. :(

Saw Rogue One yesterday. It sucked.(2 stars) Only good scene was near the end, when Darth Vader opened a can of whoop ass.

Movie took a whole lot of time going nowhere. Should have cut the first hour and a half of the movie, then picked up from there.
 
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mmk

Hall of Fame
Hidden Fortress - check it out, there wouldn't be a Star Wars without it

V
IV
VI (but much better if no ewoks)
VII sooooooooo original - not.
III - Obviously Lucas needed to have the franchise taken away
I & II - Lucas should be ashamed

Haven't seen Rogue One
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
*update* as just saw the last one... and liked it :)
great entertainement... even if we don't learn any crucial new element and if maybe i would have enjoyed a bit more of darksideness...
episode V
yoda.gif
this, negociable it is not...

episode VI
episode VII
episode III
episode IV

(...)

episode I & II
i don't even remember them so much... i have this impression of a succession of too short sequences, lacking some 'intensity' and attempting to include too much pseudo-political elements.
clearly not as good as the others for me, but i have to confess i still had a pleasant time at the theater !
default_innocent.gif


haven't seen the last one yet... but plans to ;)
 

H_Richardson

Semi-Pro
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. The Force Awakens
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones

I don't like ranking spin-offs alongside the main series so no Rogue One, which I thought was fantastic.
 

vanioMan

Legend
Crazy to me most of you think Revenge of the Sith was better than Force Awakens. I thought Revenge of the Sith was absolutely awful, just like the other prequels.

To me the prequels at least offered something new to the whole story and added something different. I felt that TFA for the most part was a rip off of Episode IV with different characters. If we are gonna repeat the same thing all over, then no thanks.
 
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The abominable:

Attack of the Clowns
Phantom Fedace
LMFAO.

Well, for me, Empire and A New Hope are far and above the greatest Star Wars movies ever, with Empire being better because it is a more raw, darker, movie.

I never even saw Return of the Jedi completely, and I thought the Ewoks were horrible. I would have roasted everyone of those little basturds with an imperial laser canyon and blasted their ancestral planet with the Death Star if I had been given the chance to.

The 1990s/2000s prequels were horrible in every possible way. I only thought Revenge of the Sith was mildly tolerable, although I was slightly drunk while watching it.

I liked the Force Awakens while watching it, but afterwards something felt wrong. It's like when you eat some food and it tastes great, but then you realize something in it must have been spoilt and then you get the runs the next day and curse every single ancestor of the cook that prepared your dinner the night before. It was a little formulaic (and I'm being generous here). Did Han Solo need to die that stupid death as well? Killing Han Solo that way was horrible. His (and Leia's) son also looked like a young Professor Snape after watching one too many episodes of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

I think if people are hoping a Star Wars movie will come about that will recapture the exact feeling of Hope or Empire, they can keep waiting, because it ain't gonna happen. The world (and we) were different back then.

Many times, when a movie has something special it is a fluke (not meaning it's out of just chance, but that many things have to align just right on top of it), and usually trying to capitalize on it afterwards by throwing more money and special effects on it doesn't work at all. Actually, it never works.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I think if people are hoping a Star Wars movie will come about that will recapture the exact feeling of Hope or Empire, they can keep waiting, because it ain't gonna happen. The world (and we) were different back then.

Many times, when a movie has something special it is a fluke (not meaning it's out of just chance, but that many things have to align just right on top of it), and usually trying to capitalize on it afterwards by throwing more money and special effects on it doesn't work at all. Actually, it never works.

Exactly. I would've much preferred if they went a completely different way and failed than offer us this pitiful rehashing of episode IV. The prequels are awful but I can still call them Star Wars movies. A Best Of or a live album are not part of a band's main canon. TFA feels like a Best Of or - even worse - like fan fiction. What's most frustrating is that ROTJ had ended in pretty clear terms and there was a chance here to go beyond the Star Wars tropes of the Death Star, the Rebellion, etc. It was a great opportunity to show new things and to try a new storyline. Which system of government came after the fall of the Empire? What's the relationship between the Jedi and the Republic now that the Empire has been defeated? What's the status of the Jedi order? What happened to the Sith? Are the Sith the only users of the Dark Side of the Force? They missed a great opportunity to explain these concepts a little better, to give them some stability. Instead, we got A New Hope again and an even hazier conception of what the Force is, making it increasingly difficult to explain how any of these things work. Rather than explaining this universe a little better, it has added even more confusion to the original concepts.
 
The original trilogy will ALWAYS be better than EVERY movie that has come after, which means IV V and VI are the top 3, in which every order you like.

Anyone who puts a newer movie ahead of ANY of the OT is obviously a millenial or younger. /fact
 
Exactly. I would've much preferred if they went a completely different way and failed than offer us this pitiful rehashing of episode IV. The prequels are awful but I can still call them Star Wars movies. A Best Of or a live album are not part of a band's main canon. TFA feels like a Best Of or - even worse - like fan fiction. What's most frustrating is that ROTJ had ended in pretty clear terms and there was a chance here to go beyond the Star Wars tropes of the Death Star, the Rebellion, etc. It was a great opportunity to show new things and to try a new storyline. Which system of government came after the fall of the Empire? What's the relationship between the Jedi and the Republic now that the Empire has been defeated? What's the status of the Jedi order? What happened to the Sith? Are the Sith the only users of the Dark Side of the Force? They missed a great opportunity to explain these concepts a little better, to give them some stability. Instead, we got A New Hope again and an even hazier conception of what the Force is, making it increasingly difficult to explain how any of these things work. Rather than explaining this universe a little better, it has added even more confusion to the original concepts.
That sounds a little bit like what they did with the Stargate series, where they kept expanding on their universe, and adding new information and new characters. And yes, that would have been a way to go.

But the thing is that I'm not sure that would have been the way to go with Star Wars. I think Star Wars is a more basic concept of Good vs Evil, and actually one of the complaints I have is that they muddied things a little bit too much and added too much complexity and too much confusion (which you also mention). It should have been an enjoyable adventure/drama throughout, and the Special Effects shouldn't have never scalated to main character status. Special Effects are great, but when they reach a certain level of complexity they lose their power, IMO, because they become too unrealistic.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Rogue One had the best 20 seconds of any Star Wars movie.

Vader squashing the jobbers and throwing them all over the place. So good.
 
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Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I don't try to say what's popular, I keep it real. One of the most boring and overrated movies everrrr.
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I'd rather watch Pirates of the Carribbean.

lol To each his own, Captain Jack. I find Bret vs Shawn wm12 to be over rated and others think it is a masterpiece. You know the drill.

Back in the school days when this was put on, I couldn't agree more. I've changed my mind. Don't find it boring now.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
That sounds a little bit like what they did with the Stargate series, where they kept expanding on their universe, and adding new information and new characters. And yes, that would have been a way to go.

But the thing is that I'm not sure that would have been the way to go with Star Wars. I think Star Wars is a more basic concept of Good vs Evil, and actually one of the complaints I have is that they muddied things a little bit too much and added too much complexity and too much confusion (which you also mention). It should have been an enjoyable adventure/drama throughout, and the Special Effects shouldn't have never scalated to main character status. Special Effects are great, but when they reach a certain level of complexity they lose their power, IMO, because they become too unrealistic.

I agree it's a simple concept. It's basically a space opera based on family relations, that's why it was so relatable from the start. But what I mean by "expanding" is actually the opposite of making the saga more complicated. What I mean by expansion is defining a more concrete object rather than making the universe larger. Use these sequels to further explain what is already there from the start (i.e.: the Jedi, the Sith, the Force, Good vs. Evil). There are lots of unanswered questions about the nature of the Force that could be tied in with the idea of Good vs. Evil and add to the Skywalker legend. The notion that there must be a balance in the Force, for instance, has never been fully explained. If the Jedi are supposed to be the good side, wouldn't a predominance of the Light side be preferable? I suspect that Light and Dark, good and evil, have a different and more complicated relationship that hasn't yet been fully developed in the series. The idea of a Chosen One was also introduced and never explained.

They could use these new characters to make the "theology" more concrete and easier to understand (by bringing together all the information we've had about it so far) instead of adding to the confusion by again postponing these explanations and introducing new elements that will further complicate things (now you can apparently master the Force by not even going through rigorous training, like Rey). They just keep adding things without explaining them and we're supposed to accept every contradiction. That's my main criticism.
 
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LMFAO.

Well, for me, Empire and A New Hope are far and above the greatest Star Wars movies ever, with Empire being better because it is a more raw, darker, movie.

I never even saw Return of the Jedi completely, and I thought the Ewoks were horrible. I would have roasted everyone of those little basturds with an imperial laser canyon and blasted their ancestral planet with the Death Star if I had been given the chance to.

The 1990s/2000s prequels were horrible in every possible way. I only thought Revenge of the Sith was mildly tolerable, although I was slightly drunk while watching it.

I liked the Force Awakens while watching it, but afterwards something felt wrong. It's like when you eat some food and it tastes great, but then you realize something in it must have been spoilt and then you get the runs the next day and curse every single ancestor of the cook that prepared your dinner the night before. It was a little formulaic (and I'm being generous here). Did Han Solo need to die that stupid death as well? Killing Han Solo that way was horrible. His (and Leia's) son also looked like a young Professor Snape after watching one too many episodes of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

I think if people are hoping a Star Wars movie will come about that will recapture the exact feeling of Hope or Empire, they can keep waiting, because it ain't gonna happen. The world (and we) were different back then.

Many times, when a movie has something special it is a fluke (not meaning it's out of just chance, but that many things have to align just right on top of it), and usually trying to capitalize on it afterwards by throwing more money and special effects on it doesn't work at all. Actually, it never works.
When does a spoiler cease to be a spoiler? Like what's the statute of limitations? Kidding/not kidding ;) - I knew that someone croaked... but I hadn't seen that yet. "That" being Awakens. It's on me for clicking on/thumbing through the thread, and I guess it's old at this point... now that there's yet another follow-up. In all seriousness, though, is there a convention for that?
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Rogue One had the best 20 seconds of any Star Wars movie.

Vader squashing the jobbers and throwing them all over the place. So good.

But for a film that's supposed to stand alone and be somehow independent of the main series, his sudden appearance is a head scratcher. And the viewer who hasn't watched the other episodes will be confused as to why exactly the villain killing the good guys - while people in the theatre are cheering - is the highlight of the movie.
 
When does a spoiler cease to be a spoiler? Like what's the statute of limitations? Kidding/not kidding ;) - I knew that someone croaked... but I hadn't seen that yet. "That" being Awakens. It's on me for clicking on/thumbing through the thread, and I guess it's old at this point... now that there's yet another follow-up. In all seriousness, though, is there a convention for that?
Oops. Sorry about that. I thought everyone in this thread would have seen it, but it's my fault for not giving a spoiler warning.

If I were you I wouldn't watch it. I'd rather remember Han as he was.

Also... ai sorry.

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Deleted member 743561

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Oops. Sorry about that. I thought everyone in this thread would have seen it, but it's my fault for not giving a spoiler warning.

If I were you I wouldn't watch it. I'd rather remember Han as he was.

Also... ai sorry.

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It's really no thing. Was somewhat interested when it came out, then never got around to seeing it. Genuinely interested in the spoiler etiquette bit... it's totally been long enough, so fault's mine.

Was Axl Rose right, though? That nothing lasts forever in the cold November rain? In theory, the droids could be eternal...? With a droid repair crew...

Ah, everyone involved got paid royally. All's swell.
 
I agree it's a simple concept. It's basically a space opera based on family relations, that's why it was so relatable from the start. But what I mean by "expanding" is actually the opposite of making the saga more complicated. What I mean by expansion is defining a more concrete object rather than making the universe larger. Use these sequels to further explain what is already there from the start (i.e.: the Jedi, the Sith, the Force, Good vs. Evil). There are lots of unanswered questions about the nature of the Force that could be tied in with the idea of Good vs. Evil and add to the Skywalker legend. The notion that there must be a balance in the Force, for instance, has never been fully explained. If the Jedi are supposed to be the good side, wouldn't a predominance of the Light side be preferable? I suspect that Light and Dark, good and evil, have a different and more complicated relationship that hasn't yet been fully developed in the series. The idea of a Chosen One was also introduced and never explained.

They could use these new characters to make the "theology" more concrete and easier to understand (by bringing together all the information we've had about it so far) instead of adding to the confusion by again postponing these explanations and introducing new elements that will further complicate things (now you can apparently master the Force by not even going through rigorous training, like Rey). They just keep adding things without explaining them and we're supposed to accept every contradiction. That's my main criticism.
No, I agree 100% then. Yes, it's not about adding complexity, but simplifying and explaining things, adding cohesion and coherence to the Star Wars universe. There was always a big component of style in Star Wars, from A New Hope, as it had to create a whole new world of fantasy, and I think George Lucas and his team did great with that. Even if Alec Guiness thought it was the biggest pile of garbage he was ever involved in. But besides the style, there was a very simple and direct message of the universal struggle of good vs evil, and it worked really well. Darth Vader was an ominous character, and the way the Empire could do away with whole planets with the Death Star was truly cruel and heartbreaking.

After that initial exposition in A New Hope, Empire really dug in and became a much more raw and dark exploration of where that darkness came from, and how it affected Luke and Leia so directly. It was like the coming of age of Star Wars, and most people consider it the best of the series, which is a real credit to George Lucas, but also perhaps more specially to Larry Kasdan (who I guess was responsible for most of the storyline?)

I can't talk about Return of the Jedi, as I never finished it, because I couldn't stomach the ewoks, but the prequels were really bad, in particular the first one, which lacked a lot of heart. The kid that portrayed Anakin was just not too sympathetic somehow, and the guy that played the older Anakin in the next sequels had the same problem as well, I could never connect with those movies. There was definitely a lack of balance between substance and style IMO. Everyone remembers Darth Maul, but there is really no depth to him, the same way there was no depth to many of the other characters. There was just too much stuff going on, and none of it was deep enough.

The Force Awakens was good at first sight, because it took on a familiar tone, characters, style, etc, so it was a comforting movie. They even played with that idea in the trailer, when Han told Chewbacca "It's good to be back home, Chewey!" or something like that. ;) But it was for the most part a formulaic rehash, so its appeal for me faded very quickly after it was over. I'm very tempted to watch Rogue One, but deep inside I have the feeling I will be disappointed once more.

BTW, I guess some remakes can be good, but I've never agreed with the many people who for example consider Aliens superior to the original Alien either. Remakes always have a huge handicap, because on the one hand they are expected to somehow replicate the feeling of the original, yet they obviously can't be a carbon copy of it, and any deviation from the original is quickly scrutinized and declared a mistake by most people, since they consider the original a standard. So yeah, Empire must really be credited for being one of the very few remakes which were actually superior to the original.

The one sequel I really liked was Terminator Rise of the Machines (the 1991 one), but then again, I didn't watch the original Terminator until after I saw T-1, and I guess that allowed me to watch it with fresh eyes.

EDIT: I forgot to mention a quote from Orson Welles which I think is very apropos, which goes something like "The biggest enemy of art is the absolute lack of limitations". That is a surprisingly deep thought, which I really think plays a big role in the Star Wars movies.
 
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It's really no thing. Was somewhat interested when it came out, then never got around to seeing it. Genuinely interested in the spoiler etiquette bit... it's totally been long enough, so fault's mine.

Was Axl Rose right, though? That nothing lasts forever in the cold November rain? In theory, the droids could be eternal...? With a droid repair crew...

Ah, everyone involved got paid royally. All's swell.
I think Carrie Fisher was great in it too, even if some disgusting trolls started a thing on the Interwebs about her being too fat. That woman had charisma. RIP.
 
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nowhereman

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Yes, somewhat ironically The Force Awakens is really good as a stand alone film but less so as part of the Star Wars Saga, whilst Rogue One works really well as part of the saga even though it was originally supposed to be a stand alone film.
I think that's because of the era Rogue One is set in. The Rebellion and Empire are still happening/around, so I think it's more familiar to the average viewer, despite not being officially a part of the saga. It feels more Star Warsy so to speak because it has elements we've already seen and known. TFA introduces us to a new era with new protagonists and enemies and conflicts and what not, so it feels more foreign, like something separate from the official story. At least that's my take on it.

Rogue One does tie directly into the OT though, so it's not really an official standalone movie I would say. It's actually more of a prequel than anything now that I look back at it in retrospect. Something set in the Old Republic about, say, Revan would be like a standalone, since that has nothing to do with the Skywalker family or the Empire or anything we saw in the other movies.
 
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Poisoned Slice

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I think that's because of the era Rogue One is set in. The Rebellion and Empire are still happening/around, so I think it's more familiar to the average viewer, despite not being officially a part of the saga. But it does tie directly into the OT though, so it's not really an official standalone movie I would say. Something set in the Old Republic about, say, Revan would be like a standalone, since that has nothing to do with the Skywalker family or the Empire or anything we saw in the other movies.

Does Revan even exist these days?

The goat rpg game for me. Kyle Kattarn games are very good too. Does he even exist these days?

Damn canon and non canon stuff confuses me.
 
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nowhereman

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Does Revan even exist these days?

The goat rpg game for me. Kyle Kattarn games are very good too. Does he even exist these days?

Damn canon and non canon stuff confuses me.
He's part of the legends stuff now, but I was just using him as an example since everything that's considered canon now seems to be related to the movies or the era they're set in. Real shame.
 
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