Rule question: over the net and back, no bounce?

[jswinf]

Just thought of this, never seen it happen.

Common knowledge that an opponent's shot that crosses the net and bounces back over the net without you touching it = point for opponent. And yes, this is the exception where you can reach over the net to play the ball.

Let's say it's a windy day. Opponent's shot obviously crosses the net but blows back over before it bounces. I'd say your point, but is there an argument?

And what if that opponents's shot crosses the net and is blown back into your side of the net before it bounces? I suppose point = opponent, but I wouldn't like it if I was on the other side.

Maybe another good reason not to play in strong wind.

 

[fuzz nation]

And what if that opponents's shot crosses the net and is blown back into your side of the net before it bounces? I suppose point = opponent, but I wouldn't like it if I was on the other side.

I think you need to clarify ^this^ a little - not sure who's shot is doing what & when.

The opponent's ball needs to land in play on your side of the net to be a good shot unless you volley his/her ball before it lands on your side. Then their shot is "good", even if you're volleying from three feet off the court on your side.

If their ball crosses the plane of the net onto your side, but gets blown back over the net before it lands in bounds on your side (and without you touching it), that point goes to you.

 

[nhat8121]

you play during the hurricane?

and yes, you answer all your questions

 

[J_R_B]

And what if that opponents's shot crosses the net and is blown back into your side of the net before it bounces? I suppose point = opponent, but I wouldn't like it if I was on the other side.

I think you need to clarify ^this^ a little - not sure who's shot is doing what & when.

I think the hypothetical here is that a shot hit into a strong wind crosses over the net, then falls below the level of the netcord, then is blown into the net on the other side of the court before it bounces. Obviously unlikely, but whose point is it?

 

[Heroesque]

I think the hypothetical here is that a shot hit into a strong wind crosses over the net, then falls below the level of the netcord, then is blown into the net on the other side of the court before it bounces. Obviously unlikely, but whose point is it?

Wouldn't the one who hit it lose the point? It never actually landed on their side

 

[jswinf]

I think the hypothetical here is that a shot hit into a strong wind crosses over the net, then falls below the level of the netcord, then is blown into the net on the other side of the court before it bounces. Obviously unlikely, but whose point is it?

Yes, this is what I meant. I really think it would be the point of the player who hit the weird shot. As I think more about it, not technically different from those shots that hit the top of the net, then seem to crawl over it and slither down the other side. I was assuming that the hypothetical shot wouldn't have much of a bounce, I guess if it blew back into the net and then bounced enough the returner would have a chance to make a play.

 

[BorisBeckerFan]

For me this wasn't hypothetical. I was on the wrong end of just such a shot twice in the same day. Courts were near the beach and wind was coming in hard while the wind screens were rolled down because they were worried the fence would topple. Otherwise beautiful day with the sun shining and matches weren't going to be cancled on account of the wind.
Two of my opponents shots came over the net blew back and hit the net on my side. His points. A third shot of his had clearly crossed the net by several feet but was blown back to his side before it made any contact on my side of the court. My point.

 

[tennis4josh]

Just thought of this, never seen it happen.

Common knowledge that an opponent's shot that crosses the net and bounces back over the net without you touching it = point for opponent. And yes, this is the exception where you can reach over the net to play the ball.

Let's say it's a windy day. Opponent's shot obviously crosses the net but blows back over before it bounces. I'd say your point, but is there an argument?

There is no argument. This has actually happened to me. It was a windy day and I hit a high lob against the wind. The ball reached up to middle of the service box on opponent's side, but a sudden gush of wind made it come back and land on our side. We obviously lost the point.

Just thought of this, never seen it happen.

And what if that opponents's shot crosses the net and is blown back into your side of the net before it bounces? I suppose point = opponent, but I wouldn't like it if I was on the other side.

The point does not end when the ball hits the net on your side.
You have a chance to hit the ball back before it bounces twice on your side.

This is no different than opponent's shot hitting the net cord and then landing on your side. A point ends when one of these things happen:
1. Ball lands outside the court
2. The shot lands on the same side of the court from where it was hit. (The fact that it may or may not have hit the net on their side is irrelevant).
3. Ball lands in opponent's court and bounces twice
4. Ball hits any part of the body (or clothes, shoes, cap) of a player.

This list is probably not exhaustive but I hope it makes my point clear.

Cheers,
-Josh

 

[user92626]

What if a freaky tornado suddenly appeared and sucked the ball up into sky and no one saw where it went or landed, whose point would it be?

 

[siowmotion]

Replay the point.

 

[J_R_B]

Replay the point.

LOL. That or run for cover...

 

[user92626]

Hey you never know. There are some really hardcore tennis fans out there.

 

[Jaewonnie]

What if a freaky tornado suddenly appeared and sucked the ball up into sky and no one saw where it went or landed, whose point would it be?

go into the tornado and chase after the ball.

 

[TearSNFX]

Scenario 1 :

You hit a backhand slice floater but the wind is blowing to your face so the ball floats back on your court before it bounced on your opponents side.

Result :

You lose this point.


Heavy wind is not considered disruption. I've yet to see a match become suspended or delayed to start due to heavy winds. The only time I've seen them suspend a match is when the conditions are physically harmful to the players.

Scenario 2 :

You hit a heavy back spin ball and it bounces on your opponents court, but the wind pushes the ball back over to your side of the court and bounces BEFORE he can touch it.

Result :

You win the point. The moment it bounced on your opponents court it became his turn to hit. The bounce on your side of the court is considered to be the 2nd bounce.


Hope this helps.

 

[RoddickAce]

Yes, this is what I meant. I really think it would be the point of the player who hit the weird shot. As I think more about it, not technically different from those shots that hit the top of the net, then seem to crawl over it and slither down the other side. I was assuming that the hypothetical shot wouldn't have much of a bounce, I guess if it blew back into the net and then bounced enough the returner would have a chance to make a play.

And the other shot, where the wind blows the ball back on your side of the court without any bounces, is kind of like a shot that the wind blew wide of the court.

 

[Steady Eddy]

It doesn't matter that it went over the net. It never landed in the court. That's what it has to do to be a successful return.

 

[fed_the_savior]

It doesn't matter that it went over the net. It never landed in the court. That's what it has to do to be a successful return.

This should be obvious.