Santoro or Rios
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bigbadboaz
Semi-Pro
Santoro was special, but this is pretty obvious.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
I’m going to go with Santoro based on his more complete body of work.
If you include doubles, give credit for longevity, and give demerits for skipping Wimbledon, this is pretty one-sided.
Also, Santoro seems like a great dude, while Rios has a rep for the opposite.
If you include doubles, give credit for longevity, and give demerits for skipping Wimbledon, this is pretty one-sided.
Also, Santoro seems like a great dude, while Rios has a rep for the opposite.
bobcolbert
Rookie
A fake number one, without one Grand Slam ... But more talented than Santoro, that's sure !
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
"Fake number 1".
Rios earned his #1 spot by winning matches, no one gave it to him.
He lost to cheater Korda who was juicing in the AO final and then won Masters back to back, plus won the Grand Slam Cup that year.
bobcolbert
Rookie
"Fake number 1".
Rios earned his #1 spot by winning matches, no one gave it to him.
He lost to cheater Korda who was juicing in the AO final and then won Masters back to back, plus won the Grand Slam Cup that year.
He was number one, that's a fact, but he wasn't a great champion, and doesn't represent anything important in tennis history. You cant' be considered as great if tou did'nt win a Slam. And he played only 1 final ...
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
You're wrong, sorry. He was great no matter what you think. One of the most talented players to ever touch a racquet.
bobcolbert
Rookie
I agree. One of the most talented players (like Leconte). But not a great champion.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Zero evidence that Korda was juicing for the AO final in '98. He was found to have nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in his system 6 months later at Wimbledon.
Looking at images of Korda, it certainly does not appear that he was bulking up by injecting nandrolone. He was pretty much a matchstick -- hence his nickname, "The Human Toothbrush".
He may have inadvertently ingested nandro, as he claimed, rather than injecting it (the normal delivery method). The ITF accepted his explanation.
The Human Toothbrush
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Petr seems like a cooler dude to hang out with than nasty Marcelo.Zero evidence that Korda was juicing for the AO final in '98. He was found to have nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in his system 6 months later at Wimbledon.
Looking at images of Korda, it certainly does not appear that he was bulking up by injecting by injecting nandrolone. He was pretty much a matchstick -- hence his nickname, "The Human Toothbrush".
He may have inadvertently ingested nandro, as he claimed, rather than injecting it (the normal delivery method). The ITF accepted his explanation.
The Human Toothbrush
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Rios played so poor in the 1998 Australian Open final that if Korda was ever found to have doped in that tournament, then Kucera and Bjorkman would have more of a claim over the title than Rios. Kucera beat reigning champion and world number 1 Sampras in the quarters and then lost to Korda in 4 sets in the semis, while Bjorkman led Korda 2 sets to 0 in the quarters. Korda simply blew Rios away in the final. Both started pretty nervous, but then Korda settled down, while Rios never really settled down. They met at Indian Wells soon after and it was the other way round in that match, as Korda struggled with the pressure that the world number 1 ranking was within his grasp.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
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Rios looks like a good sport.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
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Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
Zero evidence that Korda was juicing for the AO final in '98. He was found to have nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in his system 6 months later at Wimbledon.
Looking at images of Korda, it certainly does not appear that he was bulking up by injecting nandrolone. He was pretty much a matchstick -- hence his nickname, "The Human Toothbrush".
He may have inadvertently ingested nandro, as he claimed, rather than injecting it (the normal delivery method). The ITF accepted his explanation.
The Human Toothbrush
I see you don't understand that taking steroids isn't just about muscle mass, it's about recovery after matches.
Yes Korda was a human toothpick and needed nando to make it through 7 BO5 matches.
Yes he was busted later in the year but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to suite that he would have been taking it just a few months earlier at the AO where he had his only slam title.
The guy is a dirty doper and will be remembered as such just like Sharapova.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid widely regarded as one of the most effective drugs for enhancing muscle mass and bodybuilding
Anabolic Steroids
A publicly available article also appearing in PubMed about Anabolic Steroids
Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Know what they say about "assume"?
Not a good idea to make such assumptions & draw conclusions in the absence of corroborating evidence. Korda had actually passed previous drug tests. Specifically, he passed his drug test for AO 1998:
"Korda won his first Grand Slam title in February, beating Marcelo Rios at the Australian Open. An Australian Open spokeswoman said Wednesday that Korda had passed a drug test at that tournament."
Tennis body accepts Korda's excuse on drug test
LONDON -- The ruling body of tennis did not suspend Petr Korda for taking drugs at Wimbledon because it believed his excuse: He did not know how the steroid got into his body.
www.theledger.com
Much too quick to brand Petr K and Maria S as "cheaters" and "dirty dopers". Perhaps you should also attach those labels to a large majority of pro athletes. There's evidence that more than 2/3 of elite athletes could be using caffeine and/or creatine to enhance athletic performance.
It doesn't matter that these substances, currently, are not prohibited. The intent is the same. There is NO data / evidence that meldonium is any more effective than caffeine for enhancing performance.
Urine Caffeine Concentration in Doping Control Samples from 2004 to 2015
The ergogenic effect of caffeine is well-established, but the extent of its consumption in sport is unknown at the present. The use of caffeine was considered “prohibited” until 2004, but this stimulant was moved from the List of Prohibited ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Effects of Caffeine on Tennis Serve Accuracy
This study examined the effects of caffeine on tennis serve accuracy. Division II tennis athletes (n = 10) completed two serve trials (double-blind, counterbalanced) following ingestion of 6 mg/kg of caffeine or matched placebo an hour prior to data collection. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The majority of elite athletes use caffeine
Caffeine has been banned in the past at Olympic games, but since 2004 the athletic-performance-boosting substance has only been monitored. Studies show that today, an estimated 75 percent of elite athletes take caffeine, but in moderate amounts.
www.goviter.com
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid widely regarded as one of the most effective drugs for enhancing muscle mass and bodybuilding
Anabolic Steroids
A publicly available article also appearing in PubMed about Anabolic Steroidswww.statpearls.com
Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, ...
Know what they say about "assume"?
Not a good idea to make such assumptions & draw conclusions in the absence of corroborating evidence. Korda had actually passed previous drug tests. Specifically, he passed his drug test for AO 1998:
"Korda won his first Grand Slam title in February, beating Marcelo Rios at the Australian Open. An Australian Open spokeswoman said Wednesday that Korda had passed a drug test at that tournament."
Tennis body accepts Korda's excuse on drug test
LONDON -- The ruling body of tennis did not suspend Petr Korda for taking drugs at Wimbledon because it believed his excuse: He did not know how the steroid got into his body.www.theledger.com
Much too quick to brand Petr K and Maria S as "cheaters" and "dirty dopers". Perhaps you should also attach those labels to a large majority of pro athletes. There's evidence that more than 2/3 of elite athletes could be using caffeine and/or creatine to enhance athletic performance.
It doesn't matter that these substances, currently, are not prohibited. The intent is the same. There is NO data / evidence that meldonium is any more effective than caffeine for enhancing performance.
Urine Caffeine Concentration in Doping Control Samples from 2004 to 2015
The ergogenic effect of caffeine is well-established, but the extent of its consumption in sport is unknown at the present. The use of caffeine was considered “prohibited” until 2004, but this stimulant was moved from the List of Prohibited ...Effects of Caffeine on Tennis Serve Accuracy
This study examined the effects of caffeine on tennis serve accuracy. Division II tennis athletes (n = 10) completed two serve trials (double-blind, counterbalanced) following ingestion of 6 mg/kg of caffeine or matched placebo an hour prior to data collection. ...The majority of elite athletes use caffeine
Caffeine has been banned in the past at Olympic games, but since 2004 the athletic-performance-boosting substance has only been monitored. Studies show that today, an estimated 75 percent of elite athletes take caffeine, but in moderate amounts.
Re-read my post, I said steroids weren't JUST about building muscle mass, obviously they can be used for building muscle but also RECOVERY which is essential in rebounding from say, 7 straight BO5 AO matches in the hot sun.
You're seriously comparing taking nandro to caffeine? Gtfo.
Just look at PK and Pova's careers after they got busted and couldn't take their beloved nandro anymore...their career went straight downhill.
If you think PK only took nandro for the tournament he was busted for you're a fool. You prob think Lance Armstrong only juiced once before he got busted.
