Stephen Hawking : AI could be our worst mistake

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The world's most famous physicist is warning about the risks posed by machine superintelligence, saying that it could be the most significant thing to ever happen in human history — and possibly the last.
As we've discussed extensively here at io9, artificial superintelligence represents a potential existential threat to humanity, so it's good to see such a high profile scientist both understand the issue and do his part to get the word out.


http://io9.com/stephen-hawking-says-a-i-could-be-our-worst-mistake-in-1570963874

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...re-we-taking-ai-seriously-enough-9313474.html

Looking further ahead, there are no fundamental limits to what can be achieved: there is no physical law precluding particles from being organised in ways that perform even more advanced computations than the arrangements of particles in human brains. An explosive transition is possible, although it might play out differently from in the movie: as Irving Good realised in 1965, machines with superhuman intelligence could repeatedly improve their design even further, triggering what Vernor Vinge called a "singularity" and Johnny Depp's movie character calls "transcendence".
One can imagine such technology outsmarting financial markets, out-inventing human researchers, out-manipulating human leaders, and developing weapons we cannot even understand. Whereas the short-term impact of AI depends on who controls it, the long-term impact depends on whether it can be controlled at all.
So, facing possible futures of incalculable benefits and risks, the experts are surely doing everything possible to ensure the best outcome, right? Wrong. If a superior alien civilisation sent us a message saying, "We'll arrive in a few decades," would we just reply, "OK, call us when you get here – we'll leave the lights on"? Probably not – but this is more or less what is happening with AI. Although we are facing potentially the best or worst thing to happen to humanity in history, little serious research is devoted to these issues outside non-profit institutes such as the Cambridge Centre for the Study of Existential Risk, the Future of Humanity Institute, the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, and the Future Life Institute. All of us should ask ourselves what we can do now to improve the chances of reaping the benefits and avoiding the risks.
 

RUC

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Kinda think someone has been reading the Colossus books and it's movie adaptation: colossus the forbin project to many times.
 

Sentinel

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A rel of mine was telling me some months back about Deep Blue (the chess playign program) and was saying that that is the closest thing he knows of that is AI -- self learning , adapting, almost thinks.

I was telling him about HAL from 2001 saying that he (HAL) had not been able to get one worry out of his head, and it kept coming back (or something to that effect) and i said, i don't think an AI can be like that.
 

sureshs

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Hawking is just jealous that he was not part of the AI revolution. He is also afraid that future computers will make human geniuses like him obsolete. We are accustomed to thinking of scientists such as himself as some sort of great people, but in reality they are nothing more than people with more and better neural interconnections than other people, which can be easily achieved by artificial means in the future.

He is also probably one of those who cannot see the bigger connection here between AI and medicine. An AI system much superior to humans may come up with a cure for his disability.
 

Sander001

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Hawking is just jealous that he was not part of the AI revolution. He is also afraid that future computers will make human geniuses like him obsolete. We are accustomed to thinking of scientists such as himself as some sort of great people, but in reality they are nothing more than people with more and better neural interconnections than other people, which can be easily achieved by artificial means in the future.

He is also probably one of those who cannot see the bigger connection here between AI and medicine. An AI system much superior to humans may come up with a cure for his disability.
'Driven by Jealousy: The Stephen Hawking Story'

Seems legit.
 

SuperSpinner

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That we 'exist' is a concept devised by humans for their own sake. Objectively we don't 'exist'. We are merely a collection of atoms. When AI takes over, simply a different collection of atoms will be the ruling class. 'Existential angst' is a fairy tale created by our rambling mind. The evolution of removing that is possibly AI.
 

rh310

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That we 'exist' is a concept devised by humans for their own sake. Objectively we don't 'exist'. We are merely a collection of atoms. When AI takes over, simply a different collection of atoms will be the ruling class. 'Existential angst' is a fairy tale created by our rambling mind. The evolution of removing that is possibly AI.

LMAO. Next up: "Did you ever think about how, like, atoms are like little galaxies, maaaan? And how, like, there's billions of tiny little galaxies in one fingernail, maaan? Wow, it blows my MIND maaaan."
 

Nostradamus

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Right like the movie Terminator and Matrix.

but we must have super intelligent computers to travel into deep space and do some tasks that humans can't do.

+ think of all the awesome entertainment synthetics can provide for us.
 

Sentinel

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It's worth the risk.

Besides, the Singularity is near anyways.
Just a thought ! :D

If AI reaches a stage where it can keep improving it;s own intelligence ... then it would invent the time machine and come back in time.
Since they haven't, therefore that means that the singularity will never happen.

But jokes apart, why do we imagine that a vastly intelligent AI will hunger for power or control. There is a universe out there, such an intelligence may want to spread, it would try to invent means of traveling large distances in very short times. If it does hunger for control and dominance, it would not be satisfied with one planet, it would wish to spread like a virus.

Again, forget the time-travel joke, since we have not come across machines from other stars or galaxies, therefore this kind of worry could be improbable.
 

Sentinel

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Hawking is just jealous that he was not part of the AI revolution. He is also afraid that future computers will make human geniuses like him obsolete. We are accustomed to thinking of scientists such as himself as some sort of great people, but in reality they are nothing more than people with more and better neural interconnections than other people, which can be easily achieved by artificial means in the future.

He is also probably one of those who cannot see the bigger connection here between AI and medicine. An AI system much superior to humans may come up with a cure for his disability.
It's unfortunate that your comment has been taken in the wrong spirit since i feel there is a lot of truth in it.
I only disagree in your conclusion or confidence on what SH things (his being jealous or afraid, and i think with his intelligence he can see the connection between AI and medicine. Consider that he communicates with gadgets due to his MS).

Yes, i agree (and with no disrespect to anyone) that ultimately intelligent people are just gifted with superior brains just like a sprinter/runner may have more of some attribute in his leg muscles or lungs. And i totally agree that sooner or later, we should be able to augment our brains, or connect to data banks, and also improve our very faulty memory mechanisms so that the difference between geniuses and ordinary people may become much less. (What about music and the arts ?).
 

Sander001

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Yes, i agree (and with no disrespect to anyone) that ultimately intelligent people are just gifted with superior brains just like a sprinter/runner may have more of some attribute in his leg muscles or lungs. And i totally agree that sooner or later, we should be able to augment our brains, or connect to data banks, and also improve our very faulty memory mechanisms so that the difference between geniuses and ordinary people may become much less. (What about music and the arts ?).
Gifts are nearly worthless if they're not harnessed. Years and years of hard work must go into those gifts if they're to become anything meaningful.
 

sureshs

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It's unfortunate that your comment has been taken in the wrong spirit since i feel there is a lot of truth in it.
I only disagree in your conclusion or confidence on what SH things (his being jealous or afraid, and i think with his intelligence he can see the connection between AI and medicine. Consider that he communicates with gadgets due to his MS).

Yes, i agree (and with no disrespect to anyone) that ultimately intelligent people are just gifted with superior brains just like a sprinter/runner may have more of some attribute in his leg muscles or lungs. And i totally agree that sooner or later, we should be able to augment our brains, or connect to data banks, and also improve our very faulty memory mechanisms so that the difference between geniuses and ordinary people may become much less. (What about music and the arts ?).

I was partially kidding. Hawking is a great guy.

I don't know about music and arts. Though they have a mathematical component, they are also based on emotions. Once we augment our brains with AI, will there be any room for emotions?
 

Sentinel

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I was partially kidding. Hawking is a great guy.

I don't know about music and arts. Though they have a mathematical component, they are also based on emotions. Once we augment our brains with AI, will there be any room for emotions?

I know you were kidding, but there was still a lot of truth in the post.

Not sure about the arts being based on emotion (not sure how you are defining emotion here). Should the ability to appreciate art decline with higher intelligence? Or is it possible that more people will start to appreciate Mozart and Beethoven instead of some of the jarring high-decibel stuff that has been called music in the last few decades. Is it possible that more people will be appreciate literature instead of pulp novels and p0rn ? And so forth ...

How about once AI understands the creative mechanism, or what makes sounds pleasing, or colors, or words, that it can learn the ability to create ... to our tastes ? Or bring in something that is totally new ? How about AI creating new cuisines ?
 

Sentinel

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Gifts are nearly worthless if they're not harnessed. Years and years of hard work must go into those gifts if they're to become anything meaningful.
You can also spend years upon years of hard work, without decent genes and get nowhere. You probably know that today most of the shorter races are won by people of African origin. Same for marathons. Often people look out for the first white guy.
 

sureshs

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Can you provide any useful examples?
You'll find a lot of sportspersons (just to name one area) at the lower level who work just as hard as the top guys but get inferior results. I think somewhere earlier I mentioned African runners who have clear genetic advantages over those from most parts of the world. It's not that the African train a lot harder. These are measurable things, and I am sure you know about that.
 

OTMPut

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He's received higher awards like the Copley Medal, meanwhile the Nobel Foundation hands out awards to employers of drone warfare and double tapping.

As long as Obama holds the Nobel peace prize, i dont think anyone will ever aspire to or be proud of holding one, regardless of the field.
 

Sander001

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You'll find a lot of sportspersons (just to name one area) at the lower level who work just as hard as the top guys but get inferior results. I think somewhere earlier I mentioned African runners who have clear genetic advantages over those from most parts of the world. It's not that the African train a lot harder. These are measurable things, and I am sure you know about that.
There's an argument to be made that the African have trained harder, ancestrally, and it has resulted in better genes.

But my contention was that if you put it in hard work, it will always get you opportunities to get somewhere. Lower level athletes may not win world championships, even if that's their goal, but it may get them into a university and get them a great education.

An Einstein inspired physicist will likely never come up with a theory as renown as E=mc2 but his work could lead to other greatly beneficial things.
 

KineticChain

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Hawking really wants to be a sci-fi movie director. This isn't the first time he's posited a sci-fi end to the human race.
 

rh310

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People really seem to dislike Hawking on these boards.

I wonder why.

Envy and jealousy, of course. :evil:

It's just brickhead jocks, who barely managed a C in HS math / science, getting in their still-impotent yuk-yuks at the eggheads. Same as it ever was.
 

Sentinel

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Hawking really wants to be a sci-fi movie director. This isn't the first time he's posited a sci-fi end to the human race.
I think I (or someone) posted a thread last year about him saying some thing about aliens. "Never talk to an alien" or something.




I think suresh is just jealous that Hawking got deeper into black holes than him ;)
 

sureshs

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I think I (or someone) posted a thread last year about him saying some thing about aliens. "Never talk to an alien" or something.




I think suresh is just jealous that Hawking got deeper into black holes than him ;)

The black hole in Uranus?
 

RajS

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As long as Obama holds the Nobel peace prize, i dont think anyone will ever aspire to or be proud of holding one, regardless of the field.

It will be interesting if Edward Snowden wins the Nobel Peace Prize. It will be the first time a winner of the peace prize will be able to say that a previous winner is out to kill him!
 

RajS

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Oh, what I was going to say before I got distracted was that Stephen Hawking's fears are surely misguided, even though he is a great man. Simply because AI is all about software, which runs on rather primitive inanimate objects. I think there is greater danger of his fears coming true if humans start creating computers based on biological or organic material which does not require explicit human programming, and uses something like DNA as its code... just thinking aloud here!
 

Sentinel

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Oh, what I was going to say before I got distracted was that Stephen Hawking's fears are surely misguided, even though he is a great man. Simply because AI is all about software, which runs on rather primitive inanimate objects. I think there is greater danger of his fears coming true if humans start creating computers based on biological or organic material which does not require explicit human programming, and uses something like DNA as its code... just thinking aloud here!
One can say the same about genetic engineering and i suppose various other things too.
Oh, biots ! That's cool stuff.
 
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