The next gens with old school forehand?

zill

Legend
Medvedev seem to hit a more old fashioned forehand but modern follow through. Still it is a very direct contact with the ball (eg Lendl forehand style and those old school players). Unsurprisingly his forehand is flatter. Seems effective though. What do people here think?

Sabalenka also has this style with the extended follow through as well.

However both players i’m sure uses a semi western grip. I’m talking about contact and swing being old school.

Alex De Minaur is another


 
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SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
Most bent arm FH's are built pretty much the same. That's true for McEnroe (continental grip, closed to neutral stances), Lendl (eastern grip, neutral stances with occasional semi-open), Sampras (eastern, semi-open with occasional neutral), Agassi (extreme E/mild SW, semi-open with occasional neutral), Kuerten (SW, semi-open to open), Roddick (W, semi-open to open), and all points in between. There are some dissimilarities w/r/t ultra-modern westerns (Sock), but those differences aren't relevant here.

The main things that change when you change grips, assuming you're hitting an otherwise traditional bent arm FH, are the contact point, the swing path, and the swing radius. Those two things, in turn, combine to determine the follow through. From Mac's out-front-rollover, to Agassi's over-the-shoulder, to the full WW of the more modern guys. These aren't individual flourishes; they're natural consequences of the physics of the swing.

Medvedev's grip seems to range from Agassi-level moderation on some shots...

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...to full SW on others. You'd expect that to result in some over the shoulder finishing, and some lower, more windshield wipey stuff. It does.

I will say that for a modern ATP'er, he has a pretty large takeback much of the time. Not full on WTA stuff, but more like Safin used to hit it most of the time, before the abbreviated-takeback revolution had a full head of steam. Back then, the shortened backswing was more a characteristic that would show up when time was limited by fast incoming shots.

Indeed, his FH reminds me more of Safin than of anyone else who comes immediately to mind. And having come of age as a young Muscovite in the era of Safin, this is hardly surprising.
 
Btw i looked up medvedev and found this backhand video. Is there an advantage of lowering the front shoulder so much below the back shoulder in the takeback?

 

zill

Legend
What do you mean, 'old-fashioned'?

This video should explain it


Obviously no one hits full old school now but some hit with more extension of the arm than others.

Eg Berdych forehand is more old school than rafa’s Forehand.
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
This video should explain it


Obviously no one hits full old school now but some hit with more extension of the arm than others.

Eg Berdych forehand is more old school than rafa’s Forehand.


Total ********. The stroke should be pendular, not circular.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
I agree with wise, crossing over is less consistent and give less penetration. But at least your ball bounces stomach lvl instead of waist :p

Thats the funny thing, people trying this stuff cant even get a 4ft bounce (aside from moonball) and their ball just sits up more when trying. Shank a few over the side fence into the lake, etc.

Seems like one of those things that looks good but wont translate past the boys 14's unless your build like nadal
 
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