Tomic Video

While Nadal's grip is not an imperfection, but rather a choice, it is still frowned upon by most coaches. There was a thread on here called moonballers which discussed the need to hit through the ball and use a semi-western grip in order to make it in the long run... Nadal does neither of those, but he still "made it". Federer uses very large natural steps which are not traditionally taught, and more specifically uses a reverse crossover step on his recovery.

My point was that while there may be a hitch in Tomic's forehand, it does not look like it will affect him as his results have been the best in the world for anyone his age... but we will see...

I too am curious who the 12 and 14 year old So Cal players are... I'm assuming one would be De Coster...

i hear you and the coaches that frown, no.2 in the world lolo , i see the point ! as for moonballers and nadal driving through with a western theres a huge difference ,I know you agree!

as for who the juniors are wont go there nor care too, honestly no one on the so.ca radar screen were even watching or worried about !!
 
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i hear you and the coaches that frown, no.2 in the world lolo , i see the point ! as for moonballers and nadal driving through with a western theres a huge difference ,I know you agree!

as for who the juniors are wont go there nor care too, honestly no one on the so.ca radar screen were even watching or worried about !!

If you aren't watching or worried how do you know there any imperfections, or that they are wrapped or even playing for that matter??? Maybe you are watching.....maybe you are worried....hmmm makes you wonder :confused:
 
What are you playing doubles with him so he has no partner now.

By the way and in case you are curious there extremes in all of the three grips. (Extreme western, don't forget the eastern grip, modified semi western which is a cross between semi western and eastern) But you already knew these I'm sure.

well you better point out how stupid Granite Chef is!! for asking "me" if i pulled out of the tourny when he knows my sons the one who plays not me!

Granitechef i know you understand what a team effort is and what team language consist of!

as for grips, deiton can explain them to you! i'm not to sure which one is which ,what i do know is deiton uses three different grips during match play, at least thats what he tells me!! i beleive him!
 
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well you better point out how stupid Granite Chef is!! for asking "me" if i pulled out of the tourny when he knows my sons the one who plays not me!

Granitechef i know you understand what a team effort is and what team language consist of!

as for grips, deiton can explain them to you! i'm not to sure which one is which ,what i do know is deiton uses three different grips during match play, at least thats what he tells me!! i beleive him!

Wait a minute, It seems to me you told all of us you were "working" with a couple of kids and posted youtube videos of them. Yet, you don't know what and which tennis grips are?? Hmmmm...makes you wonder :confused:.
 
Notes over the weekend-
BB is NOT playing doubles- when he says "we" he means him and his other talented student- Stuart (in his pocket)

Hats off to all restraints lately!!! For example- BB will NOT name/ names- SO/CAL children with a hitch in their come along.... lets keep the positive going and ignore/forget those times when it gets a little deep, or the crap detector light blinks- just for peace' sake.

floridakeys mentions Nadal " ....does neither of these and still made it" Does anyone recommend current students do other things Nadal does? like time between points or picking his seat (outside the moments at the busy theater)?
 

GRANITECHIEF

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well you better point out how stupid Granite Chef is!! for asking "me" if i pulled out of the tourny when he knows my sons the one who plays not me!

Granitechef i know you understand what a team effort is and what team language consist of!

Oh yes, its a team effort, until the match starts, for most teams.

Inviting someone to point out my stupidity isn't exactly polite.

I used the term YOU because, its more often than not, a coaching decision to pull his junior player out of a tourney. I haven't known too many juniors to pull themselves out of a tourney.

So the rackets just showed up this morning and you couldn't find anyone else to give the boy a ride eh?
 
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Notes over the weekend-
BB is NOT playing doubles- when he says "we" he means him and his other talented student- Stuart (in his pocket)

Hats off to all restraints lately!!! For example- BB will NOT name/ names- SO/CAL children with a hitch in their come along.... lets keep the positive going and ignore/forget those times when it gets a little deep, or the crap detector light blinks- just for peace' sake.

floridakeys mentions Nadal " ....does neither of these and still made it" Does anyone recommend current students do other things Nadal does? like time between points or picking his seat (outside the moments at the busy theater)?

The grips were one thing, but the "we pulled out" then "I'm still recovering" just got me. But you are right and Mighty once again. I will go back in my little hole.
 
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tenniscrazed

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Oh yes, its a team effort, until the match starts, for most teams.

Inviting someone to point out my stupidity isn't exactly polite.
I used the term YOU because, its more often than not, a coaching decision to pull his junior player out of a tourney. I haven't known too many juniors to pull themselves out of a tourney.

So the rackets just showed up this morning and you couldn't find anyone else to give the boy a ride eh?

I wouldn't even humor the invitation thereby it was respectfully or disrepectfully denied.
 
Notes over the weekend-
BB is NOT playing doubles- when he says "we" he means him and his other talented student- Stuart (in his pocket)

Hats off to all restraints lately!!! For example- BB will NOT name/ names- SO/CAL children with a hitch in their come along.... lets keep the positive going and ignore/forget those times when it gets a little deep, or the crap detector light blinks- just for peace' sake.

floridakeys mentions Nadal " ....does neither of these and still made it" Does anyone recommend current students do other things Nadal does? like time between points or picking his seat (outside the moments at the busy theater)?

unfortunately ,because of the pen striking the paper lately ,in the boys best interest, i've been advised to refrain from much of what we consider fun(TALK), but will do my best to stay as entertaining as possible, lawyers suck!
 
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tenniscrazed

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WAIT, where did everybody go. Was it my deodorant? or Something I said?
 
Oh yes, its a team effort, until the match starts, for most teams.

Inviting someone to point out my stupidity isn't exactly polite.

I used the term YOU because, its more often than not, a coaching decision to pull his junior player out of a tourney. I haven't known too many juniors to pull themselves out of a tourney.

So the rackets just showed up this morning and you couldn't find anyone else to give the boy a ride eh?

theres much going on right now with him and some of the people he has to meet with ,(fitting of the rackets)hes working(DEMO) with 2 rackets right now and 1 mores on the way, were gonna be testing also ,hes gonna play fullerton to get it out of the way next weekend.

after that off for 2-4 weeks to demo and rigging the rackets to spec.
 
also i dont look to insult anyone (granitechef) not my stye!! it happens from time to time but never intentional!

as for watching or worrying about who's out there, when someone tells me this kids the next best thing or he's the future ,unlike most inetellects i don't just write them off with out checking for myself!

ill look and when i see arm, knees, ankles, wrapped at 12,13, 14 i definately don't worry , i applaud! everyone else looking at this walking hospital case and convinced this is the future , need i say more!!

i have a rusted car in the backyard for sale!! any takers
 
Wait a minute, It seems to me you told all of us you were "working" with a couple of kids and posted youtube videos of them. Yet, you don't know what and which tennis grips are?? Hmmmm...makes you wonder :confused:.

i don"t even use a racket with who i work with, maybe 4% of the court time ,with deit maybe 14% of the time, yet things come out alright ,then again maybe you guys are right, deiton may need to start taking at least one private a week!
 
Now this is more like the banter I am used to!

By the way, we have a new comer to the website tennis kids club. This one is a 4 year old girl from England who has a PR video out where her coaches call her the "next great tennis champion". Yes, 4 years old, that is not a typo.

They keep getting younger!
 
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Now this is more like the banter I am used to!

By the way, we have a new comer to the website tennis kids club. This one is a 4 year old girl from England who has a PR video out where her coaches call her the "next great tennis champion". Yes, 4 years old, that is not a typo.

They keep getting younger!

Video camera, a computer, a racquet, basket of balls, and an instructional video and a few books will almost insure a worlds champion. So it seems these days.

I went to youtube there is a video of the next future male number #1. He is 3 years old. That is also not a typo. In fact, if you do a few searches you will see future champions from the age of 3 - 6 by the droves.
 
Now this is more like the banter I am used to!

By the way, we have a new comer to the website tennis kids club. This one is a 4 year old girl from England who has a PR video out where her coaches call her the "next great tennis champion". Yes, 4 years old, that is not a typo.

They keep getting younger!

hey Florida they are asking for the kids birth certificate ,complaints from the winters have to be answered, sorry parents hes under 12 lolol
 
Florida what would be the most likely tourny this boy tomic would play,and do any of you know where hes training??

Not sure where he trains but he is signed with IMG. The kid is playing well, got a wildcard to the Australian Open Qualis and won his first match! Check this out from Wikipedia:

Beginning 2008 as the highest ranked Australian junior player (number 12 in the world) Tomic was granted a wildcard into the 2008 Australian Open Qualification draw and faced 25th seed Yeu-Tzuoo Wang, after a long battle in which Bernard saved 5 match points he eventually came out the winner 4-6 7-6(13) 7-5. This was Bernard's first ever professional opens match. Tomic next faces Prakash Amritraj.
 

floridakeys

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Florida what would be the most likely tourny this boy tomic would play,and do any of you know where hes training??

His dad is his main coach, but he trains under the Australian Federation run by former Illinois coach Craig Tiley. He will most likely be balancing his time this year between Junior Slams and Futures...
 
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brad, is one of the socal kids with technical problems jonathan huang?
 

sctennis1

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i know quite a few juniors in socal with huge technical problems especially the 12's it will show in the 16's dont want to name names though.....
 
brad, is one of the socal kids with technical problems jonathan huang?

no it wouldnt be jonathan ,jons a great kid one of the few i like!! but no its not jonathan

as for who it is? look at any of the top 10 nationally ,12 or 14s and im not impressed at all with any of them take your choice!!

shoot im not even that impressed with my sons technique i think he needs major work ,but hey no coach no privates i give him some leeway!
 

floridakeys

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no it wouldnt be jonathan ,jons a great kid one of the few i like!! but no its not jonathan

as for who it is? look at any of the top 10 nationally ,12 or 14s and im not impressed at all with any of them take your choice!!

shoot im not even that impressed with my sons technique i think he needs major work ,but hey no coach no privates i give him some leeway!

Have you watched everyone in the top ten in the 12's and 14's? You're not impressed with Rinaldi, Di Giulio, Simon, etc...?
 
Have you watched everyone in the top ten in the 12's and 14's? You're not impressed with Rinaldi, Di Giulio, Simon, etc...?

when it comes to the subject of technique and what kind it takes to get to the top D1 or pros thats gonna take a different type of tennis then what you'll see most theses top kids playing

example i watch a boy in a tourny 2 -3 yrs. ago in a finals (national) everyone was telling me this kid was it !! i went and watched he had an impressive record 60+win a few losses , he sat there and hit the ball 50 ft in the air over an over ,for about 20 min "all i could handle"

this was what everybody was praising and most of what ive seen at a lot of theses tournys at the 12 level is that!!

as for the 14s most of them(TOP) are leaving this style and learning how to hit through the ball.
 

AndrewD

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and theres a lot of things these kids with size get away with "tomic over 6'0 ive heard" not sure about that!!

As I said, he isn't a particularly big guy. He has shot up quite a bit over the past 12 months (looks like he's grown about 5 inches) but he is absolutely not over 6ft. I was standing on court with him a couple of months ago and, allowing for the shoes he was wearing, he wasn't as tall as my barely 6ft self. He will, going on his father, get to about 6`2 or 6`3 but he's got a long way to go before then.

Really though, until you actually see someone in the flesh, what's the point in making any comment regarding their size and how it affects their game? Just sounds like you're trying to diminish Tomic's achievements and write them off as the success of someone who has matured earlier than their peers.
 
As I said, he isn't a particularly big guy. He has shot up quite a bit over the past 12 months (looks like he's grown about 5 inches) but he is absolutely not over 6ft. I was standing on court with him a couple of months ago and, allowing for the shoes he was wearing, he wasn't as tall as my barely 6ft self. He will, going on his father, get to about 6`2 or 6`3 but he's got a long way to go before then.

Really though, until you actually see someone in the flesh, what's the point in making any comment regarding their size and how it affects their game? Just sounds like you're trying to diminish Tomic's achievements and write them off as the success of someone who has matured earlier than their peers.

no on the contrary , i would like to see his game for myself ,shoe size,stubble on the face ,theres a lot i would look at from a viewpoint of sizing some one up a little differently, im more open to this tomic making it then what you would think!

example andrew , my son played a kid ranked top 20 in the nation all the kid did was fire balls 50 ft in the air(moonballs) at my kid,he even won after 3hrs of this ,

ill tell you this kid beat my son, has the ranking but there's no way this kid is going pro and i know this cause i can see it with my own eyes , tomic has victorys that are legit! over good player no dout,but is his game pro material, more then likely! i would like to see for myself before i would say theres no way he is or isnt!
 
As I said, he isn't a particularly big guy. He has shot up quite a bit over the past 12 months (looks like he's grown about 5 inches) but he is absolutely not over 6ft. I was standing on court with him a couple of months ago and, allowing for the shoes he was wearing, he wasn't as tall as my barely 6ft self. He will, going on his father, get to about 6`2 or 6`3 but he's got a long way to go before then.

Really though, until you actually see someone in the flesh, what's the point in making any comment regarding their size and how it affects their game? Just sounds like you're trying to diminish Tomic's achievements and write them off as the success of someone who has matured earlier than their peers.

are you sure about hiss size cause i was "told"he was over 6'
 

scout

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tomic is not coached by tiley, coached by his dad and shaun fyfe but fyfe left cause the tomic dad is an idiot, has knocked other coaches out and sworn at kids, guy is a loose cannon,
 

Hooooon

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tomic reminds me both athletically and technically of cillic (sp?), who made gonzo look like a futures player in the aussie 1st round. i think you guys are overanalyzing technique. far more important are physical fitness and ability to compete. jankovic and nadal are top examples, neither have better technique than average d-1 college players.
 

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tomic reminds me both athletically and technically of cillic (sp?), who made gonzo look like a futures player in the aussie 1st round. i think you guys are overanalyzing technique. far more important are physical fitness and ability to compete. jankovic and nadal are top examples, neither have better technique than average d-1 college players.

Yep, very Cilic like. Theres no doubt that Tomic is a natural tennis player. His touch is absolutely amazing and has amazing hands at the net. Incredible. He's only 15, but has a tennis brain of seasoned professionals. His court sense, anticipation, court awareness and tactics are first class. Footwork is very good as well, gets into position so quickly it's not funny. The thing I like about him though is he is so relaxed with his shots. He doesn't seem to be trying to hit with much power but he can generate it with ease... he looks like he isn't trying. He also seems to have so so so much time on his hands which is very Federer like in that sense. Not many people have this attribute in the world. One thing he nees to work on is probably is speed. He isn't that quick. However, you don't really notice it on the court since his anticipation is so good and his footwork is so good as well. He has a solid serve, solid groundstrokes and pretty good volleys. At the moment his game is as counter-puncher. He is like a brick wall, you can't pass him. The more pace you pice to him, the faster it comes back. He absorbs power so well. The faster you hit it, the faster Tomic hits it back. He doesn't really have that much power yet, he is still physically imature and isn't fully grown up. I have no doubt he will get much more power once he grows up. He is still 15... he has ages til he physically matures. At the moment he stands too far behind the baseline. Drop shots are very effective on him since he isn't the greatest mover going forward. He isn't really an attacking player, he's just a conter-puncher. I think he plays that game because he struggles to hit winners since he isn't really that physically mature at the moment. Compared to the other top juniors, he isn't as powerful as them. However, he is ultra-consistant. The game he plays (counter-punching), no wonder he wins so many matches. He is just so darn consistant. He gets back every single ball. I think he should spend at least 1 more year if not more in juniors before making the transition to seniors. Once his body develops I have no doubt he will be a superstar of tennis. Yeah, I know juniors mean jack all sometimes but this guy is seriously a natural tennis player. Once he gets power into his game he should be able to do well on the pro tour. He shouldn't have a probably with that- he's 15 now and after a few years he should fill out nicely.

His groundies- His forhand as some know, has that technique where you accelerate the racquet head just before the ball reaches the racquet. He doesn't have massive top spin but just enough to dip it back in court. His backhand is a tad better but has a bit of topspin to help it in. IMO at the moment his backhand seems to be his weapon... it generates more power than his forhand. His serve is alright, his 2nd serve isn't overly fast though, might need to add a bit of pace to it but it is solid. His serve is solid at the moment, chips in with a few aces but isn't overly massive. However, it should get bigger as he gets older. His net play is just very veyr good. His drop volleying is awwsome. As I said, his hands at the net is brilliant. Overall, he still needs to physically mature. He should grow to be pretty tall. Once he develops power he should move onto the pro tour but until then, he should stay in juniors because he lacks power in his groundies. However, he is 15 and he will devlelop that as he gets older. I have no doubt he will become a very successful player. He has the natural tennis game that lots of people don't have. He won in a tight 3 setter in the junior Aussie Open today 8-6 in the 3rd I think it was. He's the 5 or 6 seed there I think, I didn't watch his match today but watched a set of his last match. Finally, we will have a good Aussie coming through.
 

10isDad

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are you sure about hiss size cause i was "told"he was over 6'

According to the official Tennis Australia website, Tomic is 180 cm, which is just under 5'11". They also have him listed at a (way to thin IMO) weight of 58KG (about 128 lbs).

i think you guys are overanalyzing technique. far more important are physical fitness and ability to compete.

I would agree, especially if by ability to compete you mean mental toughness in match play. As far as physical fitness, if the weight is accurate, he could stand to pack some meat on his bones. It can be difficult at that age, however.
 
According to the official Tennis Australia website, Tomic is 180 cm, which is just under 5'11". They also have him listed at a (way to thin IMO) weight of 58KG (about 128 lbs).



I would agree, especially if by ability to compete you mean mental toughness in match play. As far as physical fitness, if the weight is accurate, he could stand to pack some meat on his bones. It can be difficult at that age, however.

thanx for the info ,yah hes pretty thin but nothing you couldnt fix with tweeking the diet , gobs of pasta at bed time!!
 
Yep, very Cilic like. Theres no doubt that Tomic is a natural tennis player. His touch is absolutely amazing and has amazing hands at the net. Incredible. He's only 15, but has a tennis brain of seasoned professionals. His court sense, anticipation, court awareness and tactics are first class. Footwork is very good as well, gets into position so quickly it's not funny. The thing I like about him though is he is so relaxed with his shots. He doesn't seem to be trying to hit with much power but he can generate it with ease... he looks like he isn't trying. He also seems to have so so so much time on his hands which is very Federer like in that sense. Not many people have this attribute in the world. One thing he nees to work on is probably is speed. He isn't that quick. However, you don't really notice it on the court since his anticipation is so good and his footwork is so good as well. He has a solid serve, solid groundstrokes and pretty good volleys. At the moment his game is as counter-puncher. He is like a brick wall, you can't pass him. The more pace you pice to him, the faster it comes back. He absorbs power so well. The faster you hit it, the faster Tomic hits it back. He doesn't really have that much power yet, he is still physically imature and isn't fully grown up. I have no doubt he will get much more power once he grows up. He is still 15... he has ages til he physically matures. At the moment he stands too far behind the baseline. Drop shots are very effective on him since he isn't the greatest mover going forward. He isn't really an attacking player, he's just a conter-puncher. I think he plays that game because he struggles to hit winners since he isn't really that physically mature at the moment. Compared to the other top juniors, he isn't as powerful as them. However, he is ultra-consistant. The game he plays (counter-punching), no wonder he wins so many matches. He is just so darn consistant. He gets back every single ball. I think he should spend at least 1 more year if not more in juniors before making the transition to seniors. Once his body develops I have no doubt he will be a superstar of tennis. Yeah, I know juniors mean jack all sometimes but this guy is seriously a natural tennis player. Once he gets power into his game he should be able to do well on the pro tour. He shouldn't have a probably with that- he's 15 now and after a few years he should fill out nicely.

His groundies- His forhand as some know, has that technique where you accelerate the racquet head just before the ball reaches the racquet. He doesn't have massive top spin but just enough to dip it back in court. His backhand is a tad better but has a bit of topspin to help it in. IMO at the moment his backhand seems to be his weapon... it generates more power than his forhand. His serve is alright, his 2nd serve isn't overly fast though, might need to add a bit of pace to it but it is solid. His serve is solid at the moment, chips in with a few aces but isn't overly massive. However, it should get bigger as he gets older. His net play is just very veyr good. His drop volleying is awwsome. As I said, his hands at the net is brilliant. Overall, he still needs to physically mature. He should grow to be pretty tall. Once he develops power he should move onto the pro tour but until then, he should stay in juniors because he lacks power in his groundies. However, he is 15 and he will devlelop that as he gets older. I have no doubt he will become a very successful player. He has the natural tennis game that lots of people don't have. He won in a tight 3 setter in the junior Aussie Open today 8-6 in the 3rd I think it was. He's the 5 or 6 seed there I think, I didn't watch his match today but watched a set of his last match. Finally, we will have a good Aussie coming through.

good writing you put in thnax, if the info is correct,

some of the things you mention, counter punch ect. they should fix now other wise what your seeing now is what you will have later just a glorified mature level ,its all about the programming. he will probably do well with the team around though!! we will be down at IMG in april i think hes training there so maybe we can see him then!!
 

scout

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Have any of u actually seen him play?? He cant move, probs slowest in all aussie open draw, serve average and he just pats the ball in, he is just soooo strong mentally and has a good tennis brain
 
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NebAce1

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tomic beat the one seed ramirez in the AO juniors 4 and 3 and is in the semis now.
 
Have any of u actually seen him play?? He cant move, probs slowest in all aussie open draw, serve average and he just pats the ball in, he is just soooo strong mentally and has a good tennis brain

your the 1st one that looks at him and sees what will cause him not to make it!! good eyes
 

10isDad

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Looks promising for an Aus Open final between Tomic and Ryan Harrison. Hopefully if Harrison gets in, they'll actually televise some of it...
 

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good writing you put in thnax, if the info is correct,

some of the things you mention, counter punch ect. they should fix now other wise what your seeing now is what you will have later just a glorified mature level ,its all about the programming. he will probably do well with the team around though!! we will be down at IMG in april i think hes training there so maybe we can see him then!!

Yeah but he doesn't have the power to hit winners, he is so consistant that that is the way he will have to play to win matches at this stage. It works well at junior level and will work against the lower ranked pros but as you verse the top 20's he will get picked off. However, he is only 15 and for a 15 year old he hits it hard. So once he phyiscally mature I think we will see a different game style from him.
 

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Looks promising for an Aus Open final between Tomic and Ryan Harrison. Hopefully if Harrison gets in, they'll actually televise some of it...

Saw a bit of Harrison as well and I like his game alot. How old is he? I reckon he has one of the more promising futures in juniors- his game should transfer well to the pro level. He's got a big forhand, pretty good serve- his serve got him out of trouble a few times. His backhand is a solid shot but IMO he takes a too big swing with his backhand. He does a loopy takeback and he struggled a bit when the ball was hit hard to his backhand side. Also when you serve it to the backhand side he needs to shorten his backswing so his backhand is not effective. However, when he has time on his backhand its a solid shot. Good prospect for USA's future.
 

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Have any of u actually seen him play?? He cant move, probs slowest in all aussie open draw, serve average and he just pats the ball in, he is just soooo strong mentally and has a good tennis brain

Whichi is excellent for a 15 year old. You can't expect him to have pro shots at 15. He has a long long time to develop phyiscallly and when he does he will hit it pretty hard. His mental side is so much better than any junior out there and so is his tennis brain.
 
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NebAce1

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Saw a bit of Harrison as well and I like his game alot. How old is he? I reckon he has one of the more promising futures in juniors- his game should transfer well to the pro level. He's got a big forhand, pretty good serve- his serve got him out of trouble a few times. His backhand is a solid shot but IMO he takes a too big swing with his backhand. He does a loopy takeback and he struggled a bit when the ball was hit hard to his backhand side. Also when you serve it to the backhand side he needs to shorten his backswing so his backhand is not effective. However, when he has time on his backhand its a solid shot. Good prospect for USA's future.

I think Ryan is 15 as well.
 

AndrewD

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Have any of u actually seen him play?? He cant move, probs slowest in all aussie open draw, serve average and he just pats the ball in, he is just soooo strong mentally and has a good tennis brain

Yes, I've seen him play numerous times and watched him grow up. True, he's not quick in a Hewitt or Chang fashion. However, he's quick like a Miloslav Mecir. That is, he almost always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Over the last 12 months he's been growing pretty steadily and that has played havok with his speed around the court. I see the press is listing him at 6'2 which is where I think he'll end up at some point this year (6`2-6`3) but which is now achievable only courtesy of some chunky Nikes and some gullible pressmen.

As for not hitting the ball hard, Bernard, like a Miloslav Mecir (he doesn't have that exquisite touch though), only plays as hard or fast as he needs to do in order to win. If he doesn't think it requires anything more than good shot selection to beat you, he won't ever move out of first gear.
 
Yes, I've seen him play numerous times and watched him grow up. True, he's not quick in a Hewitt or Chang fashion. However, he's quick like a Miloslav Mecir. That is, he almost always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Over the last 12 months he's been growing pretty steadily and that has played havok with his speed around the court. I see the press is listing him at 6'2 which is where I think he'll end up at some point this year (6`2-6`3) but which is now achievable only courtesy of some chunky Nikes and some gullible pressmen.

As for not hitting the ball hard, Bernard, like a Miloslav Mecir (he doesn't have that exquisite touch though), only plays as hard or fast as he needs to do in order to win. If he doesn't think it requires anything more than good shot selection to beat you, he won't ever move out of first gear.

Thanks for the information. People do need to realize teens have a stage where they are slower or a little less coordinated as they go through growth spurts. Sharapova has said how she sprung up from 5'9 to 6'2 in a relatively short time and it took her a while to adjust.
 
Does anybody else feel like these kids are peeking too soon? I'm not attempting to undermine their play or their efforts, but it seems to me that if you are winning junior grand slams at the age of 14 or 15, you still have a lot left of your junior career. For instance, Federer, Bhagdatis, Tsonga...even Djokovic didn't have a lot of succees even at the junior level till they were 18 (I don't know if Djokovic even won a junior grand slam, I know Federer won junior wimbledon and either Tsonga defeated Bhaggy or the other way around at junior U.S. open). I've talked to tennis coaches and they also seem to agree that these juniors are peeking possibly too early. Anybody else agree with that?
 

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Does anybody else feel like these kids are peeking too soon? I'm not attempting to undermine their play or their efforts, but it seems to me that if you are winning junior grand slams at the age of 14 or 15, you still have a lot left of your junior career. For instance, Federer, Bhagdatis, Tsonga...even Djokovic didn't have a lot of succees even at the junior level till they were 18 (I don't know if Djokovic even won a junior grand slam, I know Federer won junior wimbledon and either Tsonga defeated Bhaggy or the other way around at junior U.S. open). I've talked to tennis coaches and they also seem to agree that these juniors are peeking possibly too early. Anybody else agree with that?

not at all. he's hungry and good, that's all that matters.
 
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