Unauthorized 2-Piece Stringing

[robstepp]

Here is my hypothetical.

Pro Kennex 7G
USRSA Specs
1-Piece stringing ONLY
16 Mains x 20 Crosses
Mains start at the HEAD

My "friend" (yeah right) wants this strung with a Hybrid but this ends up having three knots at the head and one at the throat. Besides this being illegal and ugly, it looks weird and unprofessional. However, this is the only way to conventionally string the racquet with a Hybrid.
It's not like you can tell your "friend" NO!

Hypothetical Procedure:
Imagine Babolat Pro Hurricare + BLUE for the mains and Babolat VS Natural Gut WHITE for the crosses.

String 14 Main Strings (BLUE) as normal ending through 7T.
Tie off the Mains at the throat (6T).
This will leave the last two outside mains unstrung.
Start the Mains by going up through 8T---up one of the outisde mains.
Continue by stringing the crosses from head to throat as normal.
As the final cross is strung, go up the last outside main.
Tie off at the head.

That would put the three knots back at the bottom and the one at the top making it look more like a normal two-piece string job. However, you would have one WHITE outside main string on each side of the BLUE main strings.

It would actually look cool though. I call it my 1x1 Box Pillars of Light Pattern.

COMMENTS PLEASE!!! :mrgreen:

 

[lucky leprechaun]

I've got 3 knots on the top. I had no idea it was unauthorized. The racquet seems fine. I only string two piece and have never had a problem with any racquet in the last 5 years due to me liking to experiement. I always string top to bottom since it makes more sense.

 

[diredesire]

AFAIK by following the pattern, i don't see how it is unauthorized. Some mains just end at the head, thus giving you 3 knots at the top. Not really any way around it. I don't see why you feel this is "unauthorized," or weird.../unprofessional?


It's just knot (get it?) common.

 

[robstepp]

Backup?

I don't have my Stringer's Digest with me at the moment, but hopefully someone can back me up until I can give it a quick look.

I "think" that all racquets that would have their MAINS end at the head are listed as 1-piece stringing only. The 2-piece info blocks in the Digest are blank suggesting that the manufacturer does not recommend, or back by warranty, anything other than 1-piece stringing for those racquet types.

Does anyone concur? :mrgreen:

 

[Stan]

You can only create a hybrid with two pieces. There is absolutely nothing illegal about it. Nor will it void any warranty as long as the crosses are strung top down. This is a silly thread.

 

[diredesire]

I don't have my Stringer's Digest with me at the moment, but hopefully someone can back me up until I can give it a quick look.

I "think" that all racquets that would have their MAINS end at the head are listed as 1-piece stringing only. The 2-piece info blocks in the Digest are blank suggesting that the manufacturer does not recommend, or back by warranty, anything other than 1-piece stringing for those racquet types.

Does anyone concur? :mrgreen:

I have my stringer's digest as well, and although that is true that the 2 pc is blocked out, I don't believe this means it is against the warranty to string a two piece. I'm sure all manufacturers realize there are such things as hybrids. For a better answer I'd just direct an inquiry to PK USA. I hear they are very responsive in their e-mail CS.

 

[Valjean]

One thing I don't get at all is why all this perplexity matters; all you ever had to do was inform the friend of Pro Kennex's requirement (assuming it is one, too; can it be, to you, that no allowance is made for hybrid stringing by Pro Kennex and other manufacturers?), but that the responsibility is his to deal with now if the manufacturer rejects some eventual claim he enters.

 

[robstepp]

?

I am curious if anyone has ever tried to string a racquet in this manner or if there are any other ideas to go around this problem when wanting to 2-piece string a racquet specifically made for 1-piece stringing. :mrgreen:

Of course I told my friend the legalities of it all. That is the easy and dumb part of this whole thing. Who cares. $150 frame is nothing! Frames come and go, but memories are forever.

I am concerned with the stringing side of it. Thanks!

 

[Stan]

IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE AND ACCEPTABLE TO STRING VIRTUALLY ANY RACQUET TWO PIECE!!!! EVEN THE PRO KENNEX. JUST BECAUSE THE MANUAL DOESN'T HAVE A TWO PIECE PATTERN DOES NOT, NOT, NOT MEAN A TWO PIECE PATTERN WILL VOID THE WARRANTY. As long as it is strung top-down you are fine. STRINGING TWO PIECE TOP DOWN WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE TO THE FRAME AND WILL NOT VOID THE WARRANTY. I promise.

 

[robstepp]

Hypothetical Procedure:
Imagine Babolat Pro Hurricare + BLUE for the mains and Babolat VS Natural Gut WHITE for the crosses.

String 14 Main Strings (BLUE) as normal ending through 7T.
Tie off the Mains at the throat (6T).
This will leave the last two outside mains unstrung.
Start the CROSSES by going up through 8T---stringing one of the outisde mains.
Continue by stringing the crosses from head to throat as normal.
As the final cross is strung, go up the last outside main.
Tie off at the head.

That would put the three knots back at the bottom and the one at the top making it look more like a normal two-piece string job. However, you would have one WHITE outside main string on each side of the BLUE main strings.

It would actually look cool though. I call it my 1x1 Box Pillars of Light Pattern.

So back to the question, has anyone ever tried this stringing style before and/or can anyone comment on the pros and cons of stringing in this manner. Thanks!!! :mrgreen:

I thought about the outside Main actually being a cross string and my assumption would be that it wouldn't make a difference whatsoever. The outside Mains are worthless (in a sense...calm down). Being a different color would actually give them a reason for living, FASHION!

Looking forward to your comments.

p.s. If this fashion trend ever makes it big I want royalties.

 

[Masamusou]

First off, perfectly acceptable to string the racquet 2 piece... Look at the pattern for the Volkl C10... Can you believe it? IT HAS MAINS THAT TIE OFF AT THE HEAD AND GIVES THE TWO PIECE PATTERN!!! Second off, I don't think you can get royalties on a "trend" that was used years ago by Agassi. Kevlar mains, outside mains and crosses gut...

 

[robstepp]

Maybe he owes me money then? :mrgreen:

 

[Masamusou]

Somehow... I doubt it...

 

[robstepp]

?

When you really think about it, it makes sense to keep yourself from having to look at three knots before each serve. Yuck. Pro Tennis Players are Obsessive Compulsive to the extreme. Has anyone every watched Hewitt? He grabs his vibration dampener every time and give it a little twist. OCD in effect.

I would have to assume then that Agassi's pattern ended at the head and he was experimenting with Hybrids back then, and couldn't take the 3-knot trot at the top of his head.

 

[Zverev]

So back to the question, has anyone ever tried this stringing style before and/or can anyone comment on the pros and cons of stringing in this manner. Thanks!!! :mrgreen:

I thought about the outside Main actually being a cross string and my assumption would be that it wouldn't make a difference whatsoever. The outside Mains are worthless (in a sense...calm down). Being a different color would actually give them a reason for living, FASHION!

Looking forward to your comments.
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You got the answer already - if your mains end up on top (head) you will get three knots there, what don't you understand about that?
All 16x19 racquets that have 2 or 6 holes in the throat will have that,
and all 18x20 racquets that have 4 or 8 holes in the throat will have that (check the numbers in case I got it back to front do not have manual with me) . So, yes, people have done it many times, as many times as three knots at the throat. Comprende?
Will keep blackmailing your friend or what?

p.s. If this fashion trend ever makes it big I want royalties.

How about a finger? Will it do?

 

[Steve Huff]

Yes, I string mine with 2 pieces all the time. I use nat. gut in the mains and a synthetic in the crosses. I have the 5g, which has the same string pattern. There's nothing at all wrong with this, and I don't know why you'd say 3 knots at the head looks "ugly". Even some Babolats end their mains at the top. If you tried stringing the 14 mains solution, you'll find that you won't have enough tie-offs at the bottom, and that they'll be harder to make a tie-off than at the top.

 

[robstepp]

?

So would you say that this is the common practice? What about anyone out here who is stringing at the big tournaments. Do you string 2-piece in racquets and have 3-knots up top?

 

[Masamusou]

Are you that dense or do you just not read the comments of anyone else?

 

[diredesire]

When you really think about it, it makes sense to keep yourself from having to look at three knots before each serve. Yuck. Pro Tennis Players are Obsessive Compulsive to the extreme. Has anyone every watched Hewitt? He grabs his vibration dampener every time and give it a little twist. OCD in effect.

I would have to assume then that Agassi's pattern ended at the head and he was experimenting with Hybrids back then, and couldn't take the 3-knot trot at the top of his head.

When i think about it, i don't really mind one way or the other... sounds like you're the only one that does, man

 

[robstepp]

Calm MR. No Density!

You better all calm down with your little attitudes. Don't get too out of line! You never know who is who so chill out. I won't stand for your little-man complexes. Keep it real and benefit eveyone reading these posts, not be mice and hide behnd words you can't back in person.

That aside.

My question is if any real tournament stringers can comment on the Pros having their racquets strung one way or the other with regards to the knot placement. That is what I am referring to as common practice, not the common practice of common public players. I know they could care less.

As far as being the only one who would be bothered by their placement, you may be right. Like I said, I am OCD so the details affect me! At least you know my string jobs will be consistent. :mrgreen:

 

[Nakedboy87]

Are you that dense or do you just not read the comments of anyone else?

I just think he has OCD in constantly asking the same question even though it has been answered by a couple of people already.....

 

[Zverev]

I just think he has OCD in constantly asking the same question even though it has been answered by a couple of people already.....

Anyone is a doctor? Knows how to handle people with OCD?
Cauze it's probably easy to do some harm...bailing out...

 

[Steve Huff]

Robb, to get an answer to the question from tournament stringers, go to GSS.com and post there. (******************). Some of the guys that post there read these posts, but a lot don't. You'll probably get what you're looking for. But, if it's any consolation, I've been stringing since 1979. I haven't strung any pro's rackets since they were the size of wood rackets (and then, only a couple of satellite players). But, I can assure you that 3 knots at the top is fine, and a much better option than stringing 14 mains, then using the cross string to finish off the last 2 mains.

 

[robstepp]

Thanks!

I clearly understood everyone saying that 3 knots up top was fine. I knew that. Top down crosses keeps you in warranty---that was understood too. I was sparking discussion about it, or so I thought.

I appreciate your response. I was hoping someone could make a joke about how they knew that some pro or another had issues with them. I think it is really funny when people have little quirks and hang-ups. Probably the reason Agassi tried it and went to full sets of BB instead. :mrgreen:

I noticed Hewitt at the PLO on stadium 2. The cool thing about Stadium 2 and 3 at the PLO is that your feet actually rest on the court itself. That is how close you are. I started noticing him grab his dampener EVERY single point and it cracked me up. Now I see him do it on TV too.

Thanks again!