what happened to the british junior players from a couple years ago?

[dominikk1985]

A couple years ago (I think 4-5 years ago) the brits had quite good results at the Junior Grand slams winning one or two and also making a few semis and finals. I think they had 2-3 good guys at the same time around 2010-11 or so (bambridge, golding, edmond,broady)

what happened to those guys? GB for years only had one Player in the top150 (already in Henmans time and then again in murray's time) but when those guys were good there was talk this one man Show is over.

didn't the brits invest tons of Money in better Junior Coaching? were did those guys go and why did they fail again?

 

[MasturB]

KInd of like the American boys every few years look strong coming up.

Until I'm proven wrong, American men's tennis isn't really going to be competing for slams anytime soon.

 

[dominikk1985]

well at least those american Players still managed the top50 at some point (sock, Harrison, Johnson, Young). that is less that some guy expected after winning Junior slams and having some good results as Teens but still they became decent Players.

yes, the USA still wait for the next Agassi and tiafoe, Fritz, kozlov and Rubin probably won't win slams either but I don't think you can compare british and US Tennis.

yes, compared to the 70s to 00s when the USA dominated US Tennis is dissapointing but still the USA have 7 top100 guys which is more than any but 2-3 nations (France, spain). GB has a much worse Situation (yeah they have bedene now but bedene is from slovenia and still lives there so he can't really be considered a product of british Tennis) and most of those Junior Players did not even make the top 200.

 

[MasturB]

At the end of the day, if we want tennis to explode in this country, we need some males to win Slams or any tournaments on ESPN (Indian Wells, Miami, Cinnci, Toronto).

Murray has some slams, so it doesn't matter if British tennis sucks for a while, we still haven't had a male win since Roddick 13 years ago.

USTA arguably has more money and resources than LTA and we still can't produce a slam winner.

I don't know what USTA is doing, but they get hundreds of millions in revenue yet can't develop a Top 10 player worth a damn who has a real chance at competing. None of the American players except Young really have a complete game.

Isner is a serve bot. Querry is a robot. Sock is all forehand. Young has improved his all around game, still lacks the mental toughness to win big matches. Also think his size hurts him.

Harrison had a nice serve but doesn't do anything against the top guys. His forehand is so ugly, and his backhand as well.

Of course relative to any of us here they're amazing but in terms of ATP they're terrible.

 

[syc23]

Those Brit juniors won slams and got cocky, with the exception of Murray who dedicated his life to the game. The others are more interested
in Instagram, Facebook and the glitz than being a true professional. The only 3 I could think that might achieve something is Konta, Edmund
and maybe Robson.

 

[syc23]

At the end of the day, if we want tennis to explode in this country, we need some males to win Slams or any tournaments on ESPN (Indian Wells, Miami, Cinnci, Toronto).

Murray has some slams, so it doesn't matter if British tennis sucks for a while, we still haven't had a male win since Roddick 13 years ago.

USTA arguably has more money and resources than LTA and we still can't produce a slam winner.

I don't know what USTA is doing, but they get hundreds of millions in revenue yet can't develop a Top 10 player worth a damn who has a real chance at competing. None of the American players except Young really have a complete game.

Isner is a serve bot. Querry is a robot. Sock is all forehand. Young has improved his all around game, still lacks the mental toughness to win big matches. Also think his size hurts him.

Harrison had a nice serve but doesn't do anything against the top guys. His forehand is so ugly, and his backhand as well.

Of course relative to any of us here they're amazing but in terms of ATP they're terrible.

The problem with American tennis is that all they think its that having a big serve and FH is enough to get the job done. Other problem is that the best
athletes in US are attracted to big money offered in NFL, NBL, NHL and NBA.

 

[MasturB]

The problem with American tennis is that all they think its that having a big serve and FH is enough to get the job done. Other problem is that the best
athletes in US are attracted to big money offered in NFL, NBL, NHL and NBA.

Don't think it's money. It's perception.

There are lots of older black folks that I play tennis with in public parks, but the younger black generations have declined in tennis numbers. The perception that tennis is a rich white man's game.

And I agree on the development side. Big serve and forehand, was Sampras and Roddick. We need to develop more players on clay courts so they can develop points and have more efficient strokes. Was watching Rubin, Tiafoe and co. and they just look like ball bashers. Fast court American tennis again trying to go with power power.

Give me a few years! I'm developing kids with all court games now!

 

[Deanjam]

Edmund's progressing nicely. Could be top 50 this year if he keeps his fitness up. Broady had a good win at last year's Wimbledon over Matosevic (from two sets down). Golding pretty much gave up in 2014 after the LTA cut back on funding.

Mostly it's the same problem with our playes as always, they're over indulged and soft.

 

[dominikk1985]

At the end of the day, if we want tennis to explode in this country, we need some males to win Slams or any tournaments on ESPN (Indian Wells, Miami, Cinnci, Toronto).

Murray has some slams, so it doesn't matter if British tennis sucks for a while, we still haven't had a male win since Roddick 13 years ago.

USTA arguably has more money and resources than LTA and we still can't produce a slam winner.

I don't know what USTA is doing, but they get hundreds of millions in revenue yet can't develop a Top 10 player worth a damn who has a real chance at competing. None of the American players except Young really have a complete game.

Isner is a serve bot. Querry is a robot. Sock is all forehand. Young has improved his all around game, still lacks the mental toughness to win big matches. Also think his size hurts him.

Harrison had a nice serve but doesn't do anything against the top guys. His forehand is so ugly, and his backhand as well.

Of course relative to any of us here they're amazing but in terms of ATP they're terrible.

I don't think a Country can "produce" top10 Players. you can produce solid top100 guys with good mechanics, everything else is based on personal Talent and dedication.

the number of top100 or even top500 guys is a much better measure for a countries Tennis System than the number of top10 guys. however the more top100 Players you have the bigger the Chance one of them becomes a top10 Player but sometimes you have a Country like switzerland with no depth at all having two top5 guys at the same time.

that doesn't mean that switzerland has a good Tennis System though (they currently have no top50 Junior Player and no other top150 guy) they just got lucky that two great Players came up through the System.

a great Tennis System I would call a System producing a lot of top100 guys and regularly having guys in the top20 and sometimes top10 like spain does. or also for example serbia and croatia who regularly have 4-5 top100 Players despite being tiny countries with less than 10 mio People in it.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't think a Country can "produce" top10 Players. you can produce solid top100 guys with good mechanics, everything else is based on personal Talent and dedication.

the number of top100 or even top500 guys is a much better measure for a countries Tennis System than the number of top10 guys. however the more top100 Players you have the bigger the Chance one of them becomes a top10 Player but sometimes you have a Country like switzerland with no depth at all having two top5 guys at the same time.

that doesn't mean that switzerland has a good Tennis System though (they currently have no top50 Junior Player and no other top150 guy) they just got lucky that two great Players came up through the System.

a great Tennis System I would call a System producing a lot of top100 guys and regularly having guys in the top20 and sometimes top10 like spain does. or also for example serbia and croatia who regularly have 4-5 top100 Players despite being tiny countries with less than 10 mio People in it.

I partially agree, but the perception and accessibility matters a lot for the best talents to develop. If a lot of the talented player pool rather plays different sports, or if few parents have the means to support a kid's development as tennis players, then the player pool from which your top 10 player and slam champions have to come will be a lot smaller. That said, I also think the mentality you're raised with or learn to play a sport differs a lot between countries.

 

[MasturB]

I don't think a Country can "produce" top10 Players. you can produce solid top100 guys with good mechanics, everything else is based on personal Talent and dedication.

the number of top100 or even top500 guys is a much better measure for a countries Tennis System than the number of top10 guys. however the more top100 Players you have the bigger the Chance one of them becomes a top10 Player but sometimes you have a Country like switzerland with no depth at all having two top5 guys at the same time.

that doesn't mean that switzerland has a good Tennis System though (they currently have no top50 Junior Player and no other top150 guy) they just got lucky that two great Players came up through the System.

a great Tennis System I would call a System producing a lot of top100 guys and regularly having guys in the top20 and sometimes top10 like spain does. or also for example serbia and croatia who regularly have 4-5 top100 Players despite being tiny countries with less than 10 mio People in it.

I would say the French have had a more successful tennis program than us.

While their guys aren't winning slams, they have had enormously talented players like Tsonga, Gasquet, Monfils, Simon.

I'd take those guys whom have all been in Top 10 at one point (except Monfils I believe) than our Isner, Querry, Sock, Young mess we've had.

 

[dominikk1985]

I would say the French have had a more successful tennis program than us.

While their guys aren't winning slams, they have had enormously talented players like Tsonga, Gasquet, Monfils, Simon.

I'd take those guys whom have all been in Top 10 at one point (except Monfils I believe) than our Isner, Querry, Sock, Young mess we've had.

yes I agree, especially considering the Country size spain and France are ahead, probably croatia too. but the USA are nowhere near the worst Systems even considering size, history and funding of Tennis in the USA.

BTW I don't buy the "athletes Play Football or Basketball" arguement. yes many great athletes Play those sports but here in europe the best athletes Play Soccer. also I think Soccer Players are more the same Talent pool than Football or Basketball. Soccer Players are usually 5'7 to 6"3 and average weight just like Tennis Players. many good Tennis Players actually were good Soccer Players (federer, stich, nadal...). the overlap between Football/Basketball Players and Tennis is much smaller, most NBA and NFL Players are much bigger than the average Tennis Player and yes -they are african american (around 70% in NBA and NFL) which means they likely wouldn't have played Tennis anyway. do you really think lebron James or kobe bryant would have played Tennis if there was no Basketball (yes there are some african american Players but all the greats from the golden era were White - not meant racistically, black Players can become just as good they just have less cultural Access to Tennis on average)?

Soccer in europe probably steals way more Players from Tennis than Football and Basketball does. Baseball might steal Players though, the Profile is quite overlapping.