What to eat before 5 hours of play in the evening?

youngbeezy

New User
I play tennis for 5 hours (7pm-12am), involving 3 hours of workshop/drills followed by 2 hours of a singles league (2/3 sets, 3rd set tb). I have been eating late lunches high in carbs and usually some bananas/yogurt for 'dinner' before heading to the courts and find myself running out of energy around the start of the second set in my singles match. I don't have much time to eat besides a quick bite during water breaks, but try to eat a banana while I am there as well.

How should I be eating earlier in the day (and possibly the night before) to optimize my performance over the course of 5 hours of play? I am in good fitness and play at the 4.0 level.

What should I do for recovery? I stretch and drink whey protein immediately after playing, but do not often have an appetite at midnight and want to sleep. Should I be eating more after I have played or wait until breakfast?
 

puppybutts

Hall of Fame
Are you eating breakfast? It sounds like you may not be eating enough for how physically active you are. A banana, carb-focused lunch, and whey protein isn't enough. Get your complex nutrition in earlier in the day, so closer to play time, you can focus on simple carbs (nothing overly high in fiber or fat close to match time). Smoothies in the morning are an easy way to get veggies, fruit, protein (even some fat from almonds/walnuts and avocado, and more carbs from oats that I like to put in) quickly in an easy-to-digest form. If you look at marathon runners (extreme example, but just to give you an idea), they carb load multiple days ahead of race day. With how much you are playing, one carb-loaded lunch won't make up for basically not eating the rest of the day.

Make sure your stretching routine is comprehensive. Lots of guys just touch their toes a few times and call it. That's fine if you're young but as you get older your body will need a lot more help to maintain mobility.

I will also say that no matter how fit you are and how well you are eating, being physically active for 5 hours will naturally come with some fatigue. But of course I'm not sure exactly how tired you are getting if it points to issues beyond that.
 

Turbo-87

G.O.A.T.
I agree with the above. That's a lot of activity at the end of the day and even if you are fit, you aren't a machine. Fatigue is inevitable.
 

Ronaldo

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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Do you run out of energy or do your legs get fatigued? It is more common for people to feel sore and tired in their lower limbs when they play long sessions like this. A solution is a workout gym regimen to improve lower body strength.

You should eat a proper balanced dinner (without heavy food) around 5:30 pm if you are going to play so much.

 
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user92626

G.O.A.T.
I wonder what and how Nadal eats for his tournaments!!! His playing time is all over the place. It's so interesting how he manages to keep optimal performance. I dunno.


For myself I would think my best performance time would be smack in the middle of my fasting time.
 

youngbeezy

New User
Appreciate the responses, plenty to think about and implement for next time. I realize I did not specify in my original post, but I only do this 5 hour agenda once a week and was looking for advise particular to diet leading up to/after that session. I try to play 2-3 times a week during the winter when I am able to get indoor court time, but if not I spend 60-90 minutes/day in the gym alternating days between weightlifting (push/pull/legs+abs) and cardio (jump rope, cycling/elliptical if sore).

Are you eating breakfast? It sounds like you may not be eating enough for how physically active you are. A banana, carb-focused lunch, and whey protein isn't enough. Get your complex nutrition in earlier in the day, so closer to play time, you can focus on simple carbs (nothing overly high in fiber or fat close to match time). Smoothies in the morning are an easy way to get veggies, fruit, protein (even some fat from almonds/walnuts and avocado, and more carbs from oats that I like to put in) quickly in an easy-to-digest form. If you look at marathon runners (extreme example, but just to give you an idea), they carb load multiple days ahead of race day. With how much you are playing, one carb-loaded lunch won't make up for basically not eating the rest of the day.

Make sure your stretching routine is comprehensive. Lots of guys just touch their toes a few times and call it. That's fine if you're young but as you get older your body will need a lot more help to maintain mobility.

I will also say that no matter how fit you are and how well you are eating, being physically active for 5 hours will naturally come with some fatigue. But of course I'm not sure exactly how tired you are getting if it points to issues beyond that.

I have not been eating breakfast, so I will have to be more diligent about consuming more in the day. I don't actively track/count calories but my diet is inconsistent and swings from 800-8000 calories/day. Per smart-watch data; I burn on average~1626 active calories/day, (gym days ~1100 calories, tennis days ~1700-2000 cal, 5h tennis day ~3400-4000 cal). I have primarily lived off of obscene amounts of cashews, greek yogurt w/frozen fruit, chicken breast, and eggs along with assorted junk food/alcohol so there is definitely room to improve. I added carbs to my (non-cheat) diet more recently to support the weekly 5 hour endeavor, which I have noticed helped with my energy levels during my longer matches. Will definitely be getting out the blender and trying some smoothies for breakfast.

My stretching routine is spotty at best, but I know I will need to be better. At 25, I know I can get away with it, but not something I should keep neglecting. I have included yoga on my cardio days for my balance/flexibility but still find it hard to get motivated relative to weights or especially tennis.

I agree with the above. That's a lot of activity at the end of the day and even if you are fit, you aren't a machine. Fatigue is inevitable.

But you can always become more fit, right? If I train diligently enough, I can raise my tolerance for performance while fatigued.

pizza and/or burritos if you want to challenge yourself

I've gotten the munchies and tried after a frozen pizza and pint of ice cream. I would fart from the exertion on every serve and could not move well. Kept it all down, but know better now.

Fast burning carbs probably won’t help 6hrs later after you are starting to get in the groove and exercising. Slower releasing carbs. Or during play… fruits

What are slower releasing carbs? I have been going with either pancakes or noodles w/random sauce, which I think are simple carbs?

Do you run out of energy or do your legs get fatigued? It is more common for people to feel sore and tired in their lower limbs when they play long sessions like this. A solution is a workout gym regimen to improve lower body strength.

You should eat a proper balanced dinner (without heavy food) around 5:30 pm if you are going to play so much.

My legs progressively get more tired but I would say it is more whole-body fatigue. I notice it takes me more mental effort to maintain my RHS and footwork and errors will start creeping up, though I can still raise the level back up for clutch points (to an extent). I include legs 1/week in my workout regiment, along with jump-rope for heart rate maintenance during workouts, cardio sessions, and on-court warmup. I do sometimes start to feel very close to cramps in my legs when I go to bed after the 5hr day though, but usually too tired to do anything but try to sleep through it.

My idea behind eating just yogurt/banana as dinner was because I wanted to avoid having anything that would take a lot of energy to digest and feeling heavy/slow during play. Will have to think about what I can add to my dinner to sustain me through the evening, while still feeling 'light'. Would help with the leg cramping feeling at night as well I assume.
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
How should I be eating earlier in the day (and possibly the night before) to optimize my performance over the course of 5 hours of play? I am in good fitness and play at the 4.0 level.

I would eat normally. Try to have dinner 90 minutes before start time. Carry Fruit, Energy Gels, energy bars, protein bars. Snack often when given a chance and see what works for you. Five hours is always going to be challenging. Marathons tend to take less time:)
 

NawImNate

Rookie
I would eat normally. Try to have dinner 90 minutes before start time. Carry Fruit, Energy Gels, energy bars, protein bars. Snack often when given a chance and see what works for you. Five hours is always going to be challenging. Marathons tend to take less time:)
Slow releasing carbs like oatmeal, sweet potatoes etc
 

puppybutts

Hall of Fame
Appreciate the responses, plenty to think about and implement for next time. I realize I did not specify in my original post, but I only do this 5 hour agenda once a week and was looking for advise particular to diet leading up to/after that session. I try to play 2-3 times a week during the winter when I am able to get indoor court time, but if not I spend 60-90 minutes/day in the gym alternating days between weightlifting (push/pull/legs+abs) and cardio (jump rope, cycling/elliptical if sore).



I have not been eating breakfast, so I will have to be more diligent about consuming more in the day. I don't actively track/count calories but my diet is inconsistent and swings from 800-8000 calories/day. Per smart-watch data; I burn on average~1626 active calories/day, (gym days ~1100 calories, tennis days ~1700-2000 cal, 5h tennis day ~3400-4000 cal). I have primarily lived off of obscene amounts of cashews, greek yogurt w/frozen fruit, chicken breast, and eggs along with assorted junk food/alcohol so there is definitely room to improve. I added carbs to my (non-cheat) diet more recently to support the weekly 5 hour endeavor, which I have noticed helped with my energy levels during my longer matches. Will definitely be getting out the blender and trying some smoothies for breakfast.

Yes, try to normalize how you eat and be more consistent. I know it's boring, but you're at the age where youth isn't an automatic protectant anymore, it's up to you to extend how long you have in your physical prime. I've seen lots of guys your age randomly pull something, cramp up, etc. People I knew who were super skinny or athletic in college got fat working in an office every day and not eating well. I'm not far away from you in age, and I can tell you I have a lot more energy when I'm eating consistently and not binging one day and starving the next, though I know it's tempting to just go day by day with no plan. Big swings in what your body has to deal with puts a strain on it, though it isn't obvious at first as you get older.

Your diet isn't the worst I've heard of...but if you're literally eating 0 veggies that's a bit of a concern. Definitely start with throwing some spinach in a smoothie! If you can afford it, get a good blender because using a bad blender will just make you give up on it on days you don't feel like dealing with it. Find a small select few things you like and get good at cooking/preparing it so you actually enjoy eating it, don't overwhelm yourself with too many options. Go slow though; if you're not used to eating any fiber, you might get bloating and gas enough that it affects your play o_O don't go eating a whole bowl of brussels sprouts on game day :)
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
If you can afford it, get a good blender because using a bad blender will just make you give up on it on days you don't feel like dealing with it. Find a small select few things you like and get good at cooking/preparing it so you actually enjoy eating it, don't overwhelm yourself with too many options. Go slow though; if you're not used to eating any fiber, you might get bloating and gas enough that it affects your play o_O don't go eating a whole bowl of brussels sprouts on game day :)

I like Vitamix, my first one lasted 11 years and honestly I think it could be repaired. I mainly purchased a new one for the extra containers and noise reduction. The units will sometimes go onsale or can be purchased refurbished. You might be able to find a nice one used as well. They are easy to use and easy to clean. Depending on the model one is dishwasher safe the other is not. Both are easy to clean. You can make hot soup in the blender.

Blendtec makes a nice unit, but I tended to prefer vitamix overall. I haven't used one enough to give a great review.

The new Ninja units make a nice smoothie. BL770 and BL642. They tend to be affordable compared to the above(160ish) and come with a good range of containers. Not sure how durable they will be...They can't make hot soup and they seem slightly more difficult to clean by hand. They work well with dishwasher. They had slightly more trouble with leafy greens, but not sure if it is enough I would care.

There are also smaller units focused on smoothies but I would pick a full size for myself.
 

badmice2

Professional
agreed with the comment about breakfast. Your dinner is closer to a recover meal, not refuel. You should prob have a energize breakfast and eat throughout the day instead of meal load through 1 meal. Theres no way you can sustain a slug fest without a proper midway supplemental intake.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I find that rice with vegetables and meat or fish will keep you energised for a long time into the evening. Bananas and bread are good too,
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
mcd's, supersize.

when i used to do the 5h thing, i don't anymore, i used to eat fruit, granola type bar (the kind they sell at hiking stores... usually made of nuts, berries, and peanut butter,... and sip a couple gatorades for the electrolytes and fast acting sugar. i personally could never eat before playing (like a heavy dinner), prefer playing on a mostly empty stomach, and snack while playing.... though i think part of that mindset was from hiking, and not minimizing need to purge :p
 

RickySpanish

New User
Funny story, I ate about 3-4 dunkin donuts and played some of the best tennis of my entire life a few hours later. Not sure if there was correlation but I don't really want to be eating that all the time. I usually go for protein a few hours before hand and piece of fruit as I get closer. Prehydrating seems to help a lot with preventing muscle strains.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
My idea behind eating just yogurt/banana as dinner was because I wanted to avoid having anything that would take a lot of energy to digest and feeling heavy/slow during play. Will have to think about what I can add to my dinner to sustain me through the evening, while still feeling 'light'. Would help with the leg cramping feeling at night as well I assume.

You should do this. Two hours before playing tennis, eat a bowl of salad/kale with Garbanzo beans, two avocados and two bananas. That will provide you with all the energy you need. Garbanzo beans (aka chick peas) and avocados are super food that will make you healthier with a lot more energy.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
I tried this once. Never again.

Carl's Jr. Double Bacon Western Cheeseburger, fries and drink. 5 minutes before playing singles.
Lasted about 30 minutes and then had to quit due to intense abdominal pains.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
It’s all about maintaining reserves of energy ready to be utilized.

The primary source of energy is glucose/carbohydrates, followed by fats, followed by protein in extreme circumstances.

Carbs will always be used first. Glycemic index indicates how quickly they will be digested and available to be used by the body. Examples of high glycemic index foods are the sport drinks, such as the opaque bottle Nadal drinks, which digest in minutes. Low glycemic index foods have already been mentioned and take between half an hour to several hours to digest.

Muscles always carry a small amount of carbohydrates, and larger muscles carry more.
Fat is not usually stored in muscles except those with an extremely high blood supply, since it can’t be used for energy without oxygen. The muscle that uses the most fat for energy is the heart, since it’s literally full of highly oxygenated blood at all times. The quads and hamstrings would be a close second, which is why people often gain fat mass in the thighs.

Otherwise muscles with that are totally depleted of carbohydrates will cause the fatigue effect where the body just doesn’t move as fast or as much.

The liver is the last source of emergency energy for muscles that have depleted their glycogen stores and do not have much fat mass nearby by sending out both carbohydrates and fat into the blood, but it takes time for it to travel through your body (a few minutes) and if it’s fat, then hours for it to be broken down by the relatively less blood rich muscles into carbohydrates.

TL;DR

Eat fast digesting foods during your activity, with a mix of moderate to slow digesting foods shortly and hours respectively before your activity.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I tried this once. Never again.

Carl's Jr. Double Bacon Western Cheeseburger, fries and drink. 5 minutes before playing singles.
Lasted about 30 minutes and then had to quit due to intense abdominal pains.
My partner and I ate at MickeyDs after a dubs tourney match mid-afternoon on a plus 90 degree day. Had another match about 30 minutes later. Told my partner that I could not move. Stated it felt like lead in my belly. We lost. Also tried to play twice after eating Kibbeh, forgetabouit!
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