When will Head ever release Djokovic’s actual stick ?

[dr325i]

The Auxetic 2.0 Prestige Pro 18x20 is fantastic and the just released 16x19 in Europe. The Auxetic 2.0 Gravity Pro is really plush and made for the modern game and another good racket for the modern game is the Auxetic 2.0 Radical Pro.

I'd add Extreme Pro Auxetic 2.0, Gravity Tour Auxetic (and 2.0), Prestige MP/MPL, Speed Pro Auxetic 2.0 is great but a little too muted for me but people (including whole Head Test team) love it, Auxetic 2.0 Boom Pro and MP are outstanding. Old technology (TT) is...just that (was great, but does not fit today's standards)

 

[what_army]

One day, Head may release a limited edition "Legacy" frame that would excite a few hundred people on this board and a few more in the real world. Others would take a look at it and say -- 95 sq in, 360SW, 355g static weight, 30% more money than the retail speed...forget it, I can't use it and won't pay extra for it... ANd the nerds here would start a new thread how it is not EXACTLY the PT346.1 that he used since 2019...

No need for Head to release the 360sw 355gr racquet since they aren’t giving that to Djokovic either. Just give us the platform racquet and we’ll customise to our preferred specs.

 

[Federerkblade]

No need for Head to release the 360sw 355gr racquet since they aren’t giving that to Djokovic either. Just give us the platform racquet and we’ll customise to our preferred specs.

Yeah they should do this perhaps in limited numbers gloss black and that would be great in 27.1 inches

 

[dr325i]

No need for Head to release the 360sw 355gr racquet since they aren’t giving that to Djokovic either. Just give us the platform racquet and we’ll customise to our preferred specs.

Head is giving Djokovic EXACTLY what I posted - 360SW, 355g…. He does not care about platform stuff

And why would you need a racket that may totally not fit your playing style?? Would you pay $800 for it if Head offered it?

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Head is giving Djokovic EXACTLY what I posted - 360SW, 355g…. He does not care about platform stuff

And why would you need a racket that may totally not fit your playing style?? Would you pay $800 for it if Head offered it?

Then why the need for so much lead?

 

[dr325i]

Then why the need for so much lead?

Again, missed the point. Head fully customized all ND frames.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Again, missed the point. Head fully customized all ND frames.

So sell them pre customised as requested.

 

[mtommer]

And why would you need a racket that may totally not fit your playing style?? Would you pay $800 for it if Head offered it?

I agree with you but you have already answered this. It's the same reason Head does paint jobs on pro racquets. Whenever a pro stock racquest is around, the sunset is deeper and longer. The scent of the jasmine is stronger. Stray dogs don't bite. Birds start to sing. Lightning daren't strike. And suddenly there are unicorns, fairies, leprechauns, and magic abounds.

 

[theaceproman]

Guys what has this come too, At the end of the day Head will never realease his actual stick. That is the end all, we are all tennis players, lets focus on our similarities not our differences.

 

[gino]

Guys what has this come too, At the end of the day Head will never realease his actual stick. That is the end all, we are all tennis players, lets focus on our similarities not our differences.

^^^

 

[Alexh22]

Wait, just because ARod doesn’t know the specs of his pure drive, we are not in the liberty of even understanding our own equipment or discussing Djokovic equipment?
The thing is , Djokovic has 24 majors and he never used a speed. And why are some individuals so eager to cover/ differ this fact with their so called inside knowledge ?
Sinner even said he uses a “secret” and to me , having way more racquets than I need, equipments including racquets and shoes are some of the most important part of tennis. The right equipment will help certain players to improve their games and vise versa.

 

[gino]

Wait, just because ARod doesn’t know the specs of his pure drive, we are not in the liberty of even understanding our own equipment or discussing Djokovic equipment?
The thing is , Djokovic has 24 majors and he never used a speed. And why are some individuals so eager to cover/ differ this fact with their so called inside knowledge ?
Sinner even said he uses a “secret” and to me , having way more racquets than I need, equipments including racquets and shoes are some of the most important part of tennis. The right equipment will help certain players to improve their games and vise versa.

you can tag me instead of subtweeting me in your reply. youre missing the point entirely. the roddick anecdote was because another poster accused dr325i of not being able to provide info because he hadnt confirmed his playing level. that's complete BS and an unrelated variable in all of this. dr325i has not led any of us astray or put out any information that isnt factually correct

dr325i never said he used a speed, never covered it up, and never differed from the reality that he has a custom mold/layup. in the first two posts of this thread you got the answer of what he uses and how you can get close. he's just affirming what head corporate is messaging to us all, it's not going to happen

 

[Alexh22]

To be honest, I have no interest in what 325 uses or what level he plays at.

This thread presents facts and information through dialog, as Many Djokovic fans / unsponsored rec players are still interested in what Djokovic aka, the greatest player ever, uses and how to get something similar.

I am glad you found the information here.

 

[gino]

To be honest, I have no interest in what 325 uses or what level he plays at.

This thread presents facts and information through dialog, as Many Djokovic fans / unsponsored rec players are still interested in what Djokovic aka, the greatest player ever, uses and how to get something similar.

I am glad you found the information here.

i didnt find anything here i didnt know before & i've been on the boards a decade longer than you. we need to be careful putting out information as facts unless you have confirmed sources or ties to head like the two reputable posters that have already been mentioned

& for what it's worth, i would love to be able to buy the PT113B/PT346/Djokovic mold, but I've accepted it just isnt going to happen. bums me out, but HEAD isnt interested. ill take dr325i and vsBabolats info as gospel, they have rarely been wrong before

 

[Alexh22]

Well, it is ok you found the information before reading this topic, but many others will find information here interesting and they would still be happy to get a Djokovic pt346 or 113 radical platform racquet in some shape or form, unfortunately speed is just not one of viable options even painted as such.

 

[gino]

Well, it is ok you found the information before reading this topic, but many others will find information here interesting and they would still be happy to get a Djokovic pt346 or 113 radical platform racquet in some shape or form, unfortunately speed is just not one of viable options even painted as such.

Honestly, I admire the initial intent of this thread. I created a thread when the Wilson 6.1 was discontinued to bring about awareness related to the PJs wilson was doing. Four years later, they re-released the 6.1 via pro labs. I dont think that had much to do with me, but when I did make that thread I was careful to only put out accurate info. I think that's an issue with this monstrosity of a thread, there's so much misinfo, but your intent initially was pure, just to get head to take notice.

Im sure someone in the head marketing dpt has seen this, but to dr325i's point, that's such a small segment of their market, we just arent relevant

yes, they are hoodwinking & pulling the wool over our eyes, but so are so many others manufacturers. I think it's best that this thread stays on the topic of the djokovic mold/layup/spec and how to re-create it without head going to market with it. maybe posters can try and hunt down the ti rad & customize to his preferred spec. That's much more productive banter as oppossed to questioning/lashing out at those who are a conduit between talk tennis & the brand itself. We should respect those individuals setting aside time to give out info that otherwise wouldnt be known

also, the graphene touch speed mp just won a major, so i think that frame is viable, just not what Novak actually uses

 

[bobeeto]

The masses want what pros advertise... look how many 90s sold when Federer was the models posterchild. Heck, I've seen people playing with Walmart like racquets because a players' mug was on it and they swore that the player is using that one.
Getting back to the mids... I still remember a couple of guys who were saying "98? Nah, that doesn't give the needed control..."
Guess what they did when Fed switched... you know it! They suddenly went "You know... 97 gives more room for errors..."

that’s why head was smart to make the speed a 100” racket and not 95…

People were always going to buy the racket cause djokovic, but because they made a racket for everyone who’s not djokovic, they now have a ****e load of touring pros and juniors using the Speed, which will outlive djokovic and his racket altogether

 

[yourtennisfit]

Seeing as you are continuing to indulge in personal attacks: Your incorrect choice of form and random capitalisation of the word ‘Academics’ is borderline hilarious.

You do realize that there are people who speak English as a second language only, right?

But back to this thread - I do not always agree with dr325 neither, but he is clearly very knowledgable with tennis and gear + he has a lot of insights, especially with Head. And I think he has explained a lot of stuff about Djokovic's racquets, that you would have never learned anywhere.

The China argument is also useless - everyone has their racquets made there it seems, and aside of Yonex the QC of all bigger manufacturers is borderline comical. I've seen a video of a Dunlop CX200 with 290 SW strung

 

[jmacdaununder2]

You do realize that there are people who speak English as a second language only, right?

But back to this thread - I do not always agree with dr325 neither, but he is clearly very knowledgable with tennis and gear + he has a lot of insights, especially with Head. And I think he has explained a lot of stuff about Djokovic's racquets, that you would have never learned anywhere.

The China argument is also useless - everyone has their racquets made there it seems, and aside of Yonex the QC of all bigger manufacturers is borderline comical. I've seen a video of a Dunlop CX200 with 290 SW strung

Oh, that explains the level of literacy then.
You're right, Yonex is made in Japan and it shows.

Given that world wide there are vastly more badminton players than tennis players - one recent estimate was 220 million to 87 million - and then consider that Yonex apparently has 80% of this market, if one expanded the discussion to include manufacture of racquets other than just tennis ones the landscape changes somewhat.

Why buy inferior product from minnows when you don't have to?

 

[vsbabolat]

Well, it is ok you found the information before reading this topic, but many others will find information here interesting and they would still be happy to get a Djokovic pt346 or 113 radical platform racquet in some shape or form, unfortunately speed is just not one of viable options even painted as such.

There’s nothing new here it’s rehashing the same old same old for the last 4 years.

 

[vsbabolat]

Here’s what I’m playing with, not that it matters but this is my main racket these days. I love the way it feels.

https://imgur.com/a/3K8rzqn

It’s retail and I love it. Only thing I’ve done is put it to my specs.

 

[oldmanyellingatcloud]

if anyone ever finds themselves on the island of Oahu, I'll be glad to get a hit in. I'm not good but as a poor grad student I got y'all beat in academics at least

 

[dr325i]

if anyone ever finds themselves on the island of Oahu, I'll be glad to get a hit in. I'm not good but as a poor grad student I got y'all beat in academics at least

I got my Grad degrees (MSEE and MBA) over 20 years ago, and sounds like I may be twice your age (52) but another awesome invitation/challenge. I usually outlast 85%+ 4.5-5.0 players physically

 

[RNBABOLAT]

Sometimes I wonder why so many people here want these racquets just because so and so plays(ed) with them. After I broke my last Ti Radical I tried the LM Radical and juuuussstttt hhaaatttteeedddd it. It felt like the head of the racquet twisted whenever I hit a hard shot. That's why I eventually tried and switched to Dunlop. I hadn't realised at the time that the RA was so much lower than the Ti Rad. Not saying it was a bad frame, just not for me. What would be interesting is if Head let TW have five or so of the PT57A? (or whatever codes) to demo out as a "demo to see what x is really like" program. I wonder if enthusiasm would drop or not.

Is exactly what happened with Nike Vapors 9.5 reissue... I saw a lot of people asking for a comeback and some said they will actually paid even more than 170 for them a few years back after the introduction of the X just from a "performance" perspective. But, here we are, people complaining about the price (Considering is the same shoe) and letting it sit as long as possible just because the color is "loud" so yes this proves your point regardless of the product if its really niche or not innovative people will certantly move on for something fresh

 

[RNBABOLAT]

No need for Head to release the 360sw 355gr racquet since they aren’t giving that to Djokovic either. Just give us the platform racquet and we’ll customise to our preferred specs.

Some people then will say that why Head release a racquet that is not usable in stock form without lead and even with adding lead is not "As good as expected" Ej: Pure Strike VS/97- Ultra Pro and got to drop the price close to 100. Incredibly good move, marketing wise

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Sadly retail Twin Tubes died with Austrian made retail.
#justasignofthetimestimestimes

LM Radical Twin Tube was made in China, MG Radical Twin Tube was made in China. IG Radical Twin Tube was made in China. All of them excellent frames

And looking at retail Twin Tube production currently, not several years ago, when the stumbling on eventually ceased - yep, a victim of cost cutting disguised as new tech, just like the sort of stuff that the shysters in the car industry indulge in.

 

[oldmanyellingatcloud]

I got my Grad degrees (MSEE and MBA) over 20 years ago, and sounds like I may be twice your age (52) but another awesome invitation/challenge. I usually outlast 85%+ 4.5-5.0 players physically

close --- I'm turning 30 this summer. after next spring you'll be able to call me Dr. oldmanyellingatcloud

 

[flyhome]

I'd add Extreme Pro Auxetic 2.0, Gravity Tour Auxetic (and 2.0), Prestige MP/MPL, Speed Pro Auxetic 2.0 is great but a little too muted for me but people (including whole Head Test team) love it, Auxetic 2.0 Boom Pro and MP are outstanding. Old technology (TT) is...just that (was great, but does not fit today's standards)

I agree, we got the answer at the beginning of this topic, but this is what caught my attention, Extreme Pro Auxetic 2.0, I saw the Extreme Auxetic Pro only here in Italy...

 

[vsbabolat]

And looking at retail Twin Tube production currently, not several years ago, when the stumbling on eventually ceased - yep, a victim of cost cutting disguised as new tech, just like the sort of stuff that the shysters in the car industry indulge in.

I think you’re confusing opinion and fact. Can you articulate how the TwinTube racquets that were made in China (back end of LM Radical, back end of FXP Radical, MG Radical, YT Radical, and IG Radical) cost more to make and how quality has gone down? How was going away from TwinTube cost cutting and how was the TwinTube applied to the rackets? I can understand if you don’t like how the rackets play. But you have no basis of fact to make your statements.

 

[Federerkblade]

Dr do you have a speed x paint job of novaks frame

 

[dr325i]

Dr do you have a speed x paint job of novaks frame

I do

 

[theaceproman]

I do

Do you have the new 2023 black and gold speed or the 2022 auxetic?

 

[dr325i]

Do you have the new 2023 black and gold speed or the 2022 auxetic?

haha, only one missing in my collection is YT all white, IG, XT and Black/gold 2021 (311 weeks)

 

[theaceproman]

haha, only one missing in my collection is YT all white, IG, XT and Black/gold 2021 (311 weeks)

Oh wow, would you mind showing us a picture of your favorite rackets!

 

[dr325i]

Oh wow, would you mind showing us a picture of your favorite rackets!

A few of them are with some other people and the latest PJ not here yet but I can snap pictures of the ones here

 

[bobeeto]

A few of them are with some other people and the latest PJ not here yet but I can snap pictures of the ones here

Please!

 

[dr325i]

…

 

[DropvolleysRhard]

haha, only one missing in my collection is YT all white, IG, XT and Black/gold 2021 (311 weeks)

Very nice, I love Speeds. I have a small collection going:
Two Graphene Pros
Three Graphene XT Pros (2 are pro stocks)
Two G360+ Pros (1 white/black, 1 black)
Four Auxetic 1.0 Pros (2 white/black, 2 Black/grey)
One Auxetic 2.0 Pro

I definitely want an all white YT.

 

[Fintft]

Have one Graphene Speed MP. Passed it to my son, to replace Rafa's APD.

 

[Federerkblade]

What are forum members most fav novak racquet paint jobs from last few years ?

He’s had a few including the black ones ..

 

[jmacdaununder2]

I think you’re confusing opinion and fact. Can you articulate how the TwinTube racquets that were made in China (back end of LM Radical, back end of FXP Radical, MG Radical, YT Radical, and IG Radical) cost more to make and how quality has gone down? How was going away from TwinTube cost cutting and how was the TwinTube applied to the rackets? I can understand if you don’t like how the rackets play. But you have no basis of fact to make your statements.

If Chinese manufacture of Twintube racquet construction is perfectly viable with regard to cost, molds, layup, pre-preg supply, manufacturing expertise & QC etc. and Austrian made versions are still being used by pros and revered by hackers, then where are the retail versions? Have Head really moved on to 'bigger & better' things?

 

[gino]

What are forum members most fav novak racquet paint jobs from last few years ?

He’s had a few including the black ones ..

I've liked them all except the graphene xt, which was a little too green for my liking

I actually loved the 2021 USO gold/black look

 

[vsbabolat]

If Chinese manufacture of Twintube racquet construction is perfectly viable with regard to cost, molds, layup, pre-preg supply, manufacturing expertise & QC etc. and Austrian made versions are still being used by pros and revered by hackers, then where are the retail versions? Have Head really moved on to 'bigger & better' things?

You didn’t answer my question. I refuse to interact with you until you answer my question. All you did was evade my question to you.

 

[theaceproman]

I've liked them all except the graphene xt, which was a little too green for my liking

I actually loved the 2021 USO gold/black look

Does not look good with his kit, but it would look good with some all black.

 

[dr325i]

I've liked them all except the graphene xt, which was a little too green for my liking

I actually loved the 2021 USO gold/black look

only 24 frames ever made with that PJ

 

[oldmanyellingatcloud]

I've liked them all except the graphene xt, which was a little too green for my liking

I actually loved the 2021 USO gold/black look

if we're treating Djokovic's racquet as a concept, it's the KBlade Tour, Youtek IG, and this one at the top

 

[theaceproman]

only 24 frames ever made with that PJ

For retail sale? Or just for him?

 

[vsbabolat]

…….

 

[dr325i]

For retail sale? Or just for him?

For him

 

[theaceproman]

For him

What is the most similar head racket to the new wilson blade v9?