Which is greater, Fed 2006 season or 4 titles year CYGS?
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2021 competition for the CYGS.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Well, a hard question, and it depends a bit on what you are asking - Fed's 2006 was amazing, and he was only one match away from winning the CYGS. If he had faced anyone but Nadal at RG, then I believe he would have won it. So should we take the level of competition into account also?
In terms of prestige and legacy, I'm going to go with the CYGS. It's such a unique feat, and has been so elusive for so many top players, that to achieve it would be extremely special.
In terms of prestige and legacy, I'm going to go with the CYGS. It's such a unique feat, and has been so elusive for so many top players, that to achieve it would be extremely special.
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The CYGS should be greater, but 2006/2015 were the more dominant seasons if that makes sense at all.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
So are we speaking about Djokovic winning the CYGS this year?
I mean, in pure tennis quality terms, I think it's pretty obvious that 2006 Fed is a better player than 2021 Djokovic. But given Djokovic's age, it would be, in some ways, an even more tremendous achievement to do the CYGS this year, as opposed to when he was at his prime.
I mean, at the same age, 2015 Fed was playing pretty great - and I would say, at a higher peak than 2021 Djoker, given that he gave 2015 Djoker a run for his money, and only just came up short at the slams. But even so, he lost to Seppi at the AO and wasn't really close to winning RG. So once again, Djokovic's consistency at the slams, and across the surfaces, is something quite astonishing. And I say this as an absolute Federer fan.
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
Depends on the timing and the player.
If it's Med or Zed for example, I'd still rate Fed's season higher but if it's Djokovic or Bull at this stage of their careers, I'd rate it higher than Fed's.
Would you consider Rublev in a year winning only titles 250/500 level (he was injured during slams and masters so he skipped) with 100+ wins/0 loses a dominant season?
Biotic
Hall of Fame
2015 Federer better at Wimbledon, 2021 Djokovic better at AO and RG.
Djokovic will have to play some great tennis at USO to get ahead of 2015 USO Federer.
Sunny014
Legend
2006, 2007 and 2011 were very powerful 3 years in Tennis with respect to the CYGS keeping the champion in mind as he was at his peak.
Reason is Rafael Nadal.
Rafa was powerful in all 3 years so beating him on clay was what prevented the CYGS in all 3 years because the champions aiming for CYGS had it covered in the other 3 slams, there was no way anyone was beating Federer outside clay in 06 or even in 07 and even in 2011 there was no way anyone was beating Novak, though Federer did beat Novak on clay but it was as superhuman effort from Fed that did it.
Compared to this 2015 is a weak year for Novak since Rafa was weak and even Fed was not that good, he made the finals in 2 slams but he was not upto the mark and neither was Nadal upto the mark, even 2009 was a weak year for Fed because he lost to Rafa and lost to Potro, got lucky with soderling.... so all in all not good.
2006, 2007 and 2011 were the 3 CYGS years that were the peak levels for fed and novak.
Reason is Rafael Nadal.
Rafa was powerful in all 3 years so beating him on clay was what prevented the CYGS in all 3 years because the champions aiming for CYGS had it covered in the other 3 slams, there was no way anyone was beating Federer outside clay in 06 or even in 07 and even in 2011 there was no way anyone was beating Novak, though Federer did beat Novak on clay but it was as superhuman effort from Fed that did it.
Compared to this 2015 is a weak year for Novak since Rafa was weak and even Fed was not that good, he made the finals in 2 slams but he was not upto the mark and neither was Nadal upto the mark, even 2009 was a weak year for Fed because he lost to Rafa and lost to Potro, got lucky with soderling.... so all in all not good.
2006, 2007 and 2011 were the 3 CYGS years that were the peak levels for fed and novak.
Better to replace Fed 2006 with Djokervic 2011
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
To be clear I'm not comparing levels, I'm comparing accomplishments. I don't think we can compare levels across time, but to each their own.
Sunny014
Legend
Posters who voted 2006 have witnessed epic super heavyweight high octane fights in full speed between Peak Rafa and Peak Federer in 06-09 period, they value that over the medvedev-tsitsi-berretini garbage that Novak is dishing out to them now, can't help it.
Quality matters, not quantity.
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No.
I choose Fed so it is not a Djokovic centric discussion. The idea is just a great season vs 4 slams.
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CYGS is a greater accomplishment, but years like 2004/2006/2007/2011/2015 were better seasons. It all comes down to circumstances and competition, basically.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Or to put it another way. Would any fan base (or any pro for that matter) give up a slam and winning the CYGS in exchange for 4 masters and the WTF?
Is there a single Fed fan that wouldn't, in a heartbeat, give up Fed's non slam wins in 2006 in exchange for winning the FO?
Or a single Nadal fan that wouldn't happily give up Nadal's 3 masters in 2010 in exchange for winning the AO that year?
The answer is, of course not. So why troll on this?
Is there a single Fed fan that wouldn't, in a heartbeat, give up Fed's non slam wins in 2006 in exchange for winning the FO?
Or a single Nadal fan that wouldn't happily give up Nadal's 3 masters in 2010 in exchange for winning the AO that year?
The answer is, of course not. So why troll on this?
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Federer, etc
GameSetDjokovic
Semi-Pro
So winning 4 slams in the same year is not a great season? This poll is like asking is $10M more than $5M.
This is bulls**t! Federer's opponents in 2006 were much weaker than Djokervic 2011, not at the same level as 2011. In 2006 Federer did not even get any opponents as good as peak Murray. And, Djokervic is 11-1 versus Nadal and Federer in 2011.
Federer's 2006 is also much weaker than Djokervic's 2015, when he won 12 big titles and reached every finals.
Sunny014
Legend
Doesn't matter who is the opponent, Federer was Superman in 2006, his level was higher.
Federer owns Djokovic in peak level gaming, it is not even close.
Your hero was getting spanked at the hands of Federer's pigeons Murray and Stan in his own peak which is shameful.
The results of the poll show that for some people 5 > 10.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
They are just trolling. Not a single one of them would vote that way for their preferred player
That stat is just absurd.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
He was 15 GS wins away from CYGS.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
itrium84
Hall of Fame
2006 peak Rafa LOL
itrium84
Hall of Fame
No it is not.
I do. + I know why his 1969 is below 2015 and 2006 in terms of greatness.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Peak level is unmeasurable poetic mumbo-jumbo category, expression of personal bias with zero objective truth in it.
What that guy Beckerserve was for Nadal fanbase, you're for Federer fanbase
Sunny014
Legend
Rafa won 11 titles in 2005 and in 2006 itself he was moving around with brutal speed and hitting with brutal power, that is peak Rafa.
What else is Peak Rafa for you? 2010-2011 ? Sure, maybe a better server and a better game but lacked in speed compared to 00s, somewhere or the other Rafa did lack....
Fact checked : Nadal played Federer in 5 finals in 2006 and beat him in 4 of them. Federer was not remotely close to winning CYGS in 2006 as he never made it past the 2nd hurdle. Nadal’s best effort at CYGS is also clearing only 1st hurdle, same as Federer. Djokovic had cleared the 2nd hurdle in 2016 so better than Fed and Rafa. This year he has cleared the 3rd hurdle and is attempting to clear the 4th and final hurdle to claim the goat ring.
abmk
Bionic Poster
11 was not peak Murray at all. 06 had fricking prime Nadal on clay being a wall there. Also prime level at Wim.
11 was stronger year than 06, but doesn't necessarily mean Djokovic's 11 was better. Fed accomplished more in 06 than djoko in 11 (also a higher level, IMO). Djoko didn't last beyond USO in 11.
The last statement is a joke. Federer won more titles, had more wins, 1 less loss in 2006 compared to Djoko 2015. Federer missed reaching Cincy final because of no bye. Also some Bo5 finals in Masters back then, unlike in 15.
Competition wise 06, 15 on a similar level. Only federer had the toughest opponent - Nadal on clay.
So in other words, your post is a load of bullsh*t.
Yes that’s obvious. What many don’t realise is 2010 is the 2nd best year in open era as the same guy won the 3 biggest slams and on 3 different surfaces grass, clay and hardcourt. If Djoker wins this yr USO 2021 will be the greatest season in tennis history.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Laver won the biggest HC tournament at that time - LA PSW in 1969. Had like 105 wins to 18 losses.
The competition was worth talking about in 69 - you had Roche (who actually lead Laver in 69 in h2h by a 1 match margin IIRC), Newk, Ashe, Gimeno (esp. on clay), Emerson and even Rosewall (even with a down season for him)
Significantly better competition than 2021.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Fed was 2-4 vs Nadal in 2006, including a win at TMC 2006 SF - a match clearly bigger and more important than Dubai 2006 final. Just counting finals is utterly disengenous given that.
0-3 on clay and 2-1 outside of it. (Fed winning 2006 Wim final in 4 convincing sets, TMC 06 semi in straights and losing a close Dubai final)
Rafa very far from peak in 2006, still owned Federer all yr long.
You’re the only one who knows this. Laver won 17 singles and 17 doubles titles in 1969, not just calendar Slam. The big 3 cry in his presence, but you guys mock him lol - must be all teenagers here : )
