Why does the racquet move so much in my hand?

limitup

Professional
I'm pretty new to tennis, but I've been playing a lot and improving quite a bit. Thing is I have no consistency with any of my shots. At this point I'm quite lost and I'm really hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

One of my biggest problems is that the racquet seems to move around in my hand a lot, even on basic forehand groundstrokes. I think there is a fundamental problem here.

For a basic forehand groundstroke, I use a semi western grip. I can't figure out if it's a problem with my racquet grip being too big or too small, if I'm totally mishitting the ball a lot, if I'm holding the racquet too tight or too loose, or what it is. It's driving me crazy.

I've tried several different racquets with various head sizes, various weights, etc. A heavier (12-13 oz) racquet with a smaller head (currently using a 93) generally feels better overall. I've tried various overgrips, etc.

People have suggested that I slow down my swing, and focus on looking at the ball longer to help keep my head still. It's too early to tell if this will help, I guess I need to practice more to know one way or another.

I started with a 4 1/2 grip, which was definitely too small. I went up to a 4 5/8 which still feels too small. I put an overgrip on it, so now it's a little bigger than 5/8s, and truthfully it still feels too small. My hands aren't monsterous, but I guess they are bigger than most men.

People I've asked said the general rule of thumb is that there should be 1 thumb width of space between your palm and fingers when holding the racquet. I definitely don't have that much space, even with the 5/8s grip + overgrip. So I want to try a 4 3/4 with or without an overgrip and see how that feels. Thing is, it seems like nowhere stocks these and I have to special order it. I find that odd since I definitely don't have HUGE hands and I can't imagine people with hands like mine use a 1/2 or 5/8. My next idea was to just wrap 3 or 4 overgrips on my 5/8s and see what it feels like. Obviously the grip will be pretty much round at that point and I wouldn't play with it that way for long, but it might help judge the size difference.

One thing I haven't actually tried yet is using a super tacky or contoured overgrip, which I am going to try later today, but I can't imagine it will make that big of a difference. All this time I've been trying different "absorbant" grips, assuming my hand was getting sweaty and causing the problem. But no matter which overgrip I use, it doesn't make much of a difference.

I said OK this is crazy and I signed up to take a few lessons from a pro. We had 1 lesson so far, and it was great. Thing is he wants to focus on teaching me proper footwork, positioning etc. and deal with form and other issues later. He said we won't be caring too much about how I actually hit the ball for awhile. His teaching method seems logical and I'm going to stick with it, but at the same time I would like to figure out this problem so I can keep practicing on my own and getting better overall.

I guess I'm just looking for some direction here. Is there some way to figure out what my problem really is? There are obviously a lot of variables and I'm having a hard time pinpointing the problem. I do know with 100% certainty though that the racquet moves around in my hand too much (as evidenced by the constant blisters I get lately) and that has to be a serious problem.

So I guess to boil it all down my primary question at this point is, what is the biggest or most common reasons that the racquet would move around in my hand a lot?

Finally, can anyone recommend any good books or online video courses etc. for learning the basics? Or should I just stick with my weekly lessons?

If you've read this far, thanks!
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
you _might_ have an improper acceleration which takes the racket from your hand (if the racket is "s n a t ch e d" from your hand, before completing contact; you must be able to "stay with the ball" or "hit through 4 balls in sequence")

check
Acceleration at contact (observations on Sampras's running FH)
in my posting
Forehand Issues
in the Sticky thread (the topmost in this forum)

you might also hit a lot of off-center shots (if the racket rotates in your hand)
 
If there's not enough space for your index finger (not your thumb, pretty close, though) on the 4 5/8+ grips, you need to make it bigger! I'm 14 and not huge, but use a 4 1/2 grip. Maybe our hands are more flexible? Anyway, here is a link to TW's customizing a grip page and I'm sure if you ask around here people will tell you how to make a bigger grip where you can still feel the bevels.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/increasegripsize/increasegrip.html

Also, in case you're measuring your grip size incorrectly, here's a link on how to measure your grip size.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/Gripsize/Gripsize.html
 

MegacedU

Professional
You're grip still might be slightly too small. It may look correct when you're testing it still, but if it's moving around that much, try getting some over-grip.
 

Happyneige

New User
Here are my thoughts on the moving racquet...

1. I'm not sure if the grip size is your only problem. My guess is the sub-optimal mechanics of contact that make the racquet move when you hit the ball. If you feel that you hit the ball on the sweet spot, the extra motion on the racquet shouldn't happen. If you hit 'through the ball' and follow through, the extra motion shouldn't happen either. (Also see Marius' posting above.) I used to have a lot of extra flailing motion before I hit the ball (from the attempt to create loopy forehand) but it's now cured with shorter take-back and faster swing. Have your coach examined your groundstroke motions and give you the feedback. Videotaping yourself works similarly too.

2. If you feel that the mechanics are fine and the grip size is right and you still cannot hold on to the racquet well, put a grip like Wilson Micro-dry on might help.

:)
 
limitup said:
I'm pretty new to tennis, but I've been playing a lot and improving quite a bit. Thing is I have no consistency with any of my shots. At this point I'm quite lost and I'm really hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

One of my biggest problems is that the racquet seems to move around in my hand a lot, even on basic forehand groundstrokes. I think there is a fundamental problem here.

For a basic forehand groundstroke, I use a semi western grip. I can't figure out if it's a problem with my racquet grip being too big or too small, if I'm totally mishitting the ball a lot, if I'm holding the racquet too tight or too loose, or what it is. It's driving me crazy.

I've tried several different racquets with various head sizes, various weights, etc. A heavier (12-13 oz) racquet with a smaller head (currently using a 93) generally feels better overall. I've tried various overgrips, etc.

People have suggested that I slow down my swing, and focus on looking at the ball longer to help keep my head still. It's too early to tell if this will help, I guess I need to practice more to know one way or another.

I started with a 4 1/2 grip, which was definitely too small. I went up to a 4 5/8 which still feels too small. I put an overgrip on it, so now it's a little bigger than 5/8s, and truthfully it still feels too small. My hands aren't monsterous, but I guess they are bigger than most men.

People I've asked said the general rule of thumb is that there should be 1 thumb width of space between your palm and fingers when holding the racquet. I definitely don't have that much space, even with the 5/8s grip + overgrip. So I want to try a 4 3/4 with or without an overgrip and see how that feels. Thing is, it seems like nowhere stocks these and I have to special order it. I find that odd since I definitely don't have HUGE hands and I can't imagine people with hands like mine use a 1/2 or 5/8. My next idea was to just wrap 3 or 4 overgrips on my 5/8s and see what it feels like. Obviously the grip will be pretty much round at that point and I wouldn't play with it that way for long, but it might help judge the size difference.

One thing I haven't actually tried yet is using a super tacky or contoured overgrip, which I am going to try later today, but I can't imagine it will make that big of a difference. All this time I've been trying different "absorbant" grips, assuming my hand was getting sweaty and causing the problem. But no matter which overgrip I use, it doesn't make much of a difference.

I said OK this is crazy and I signed up to take a few lessons from a pro. We had 1 lesson so far, and it was great. Thing is he wants to focus on teaching me proper footwork, positioning etc. and deal with form and other issues later. He said we won't be caring too much about how I actually hit the ball for awhile. His teaching method seems logical and I'm going to stick with it, but at the same time I would like to figure out this problem so I can keep practicing on my own and getting better overall.

I guess I'm just looking for some direction here. Is there some way to figure out what my problem really is? There are obviously a lot of variables and I'm having a hard time pinpointing the problem. I do know with 100% certainty though that the racquet moves around in my hand too much (as evidenced by the constant blisters I get lately) and that has to be a serious problem.

So I guess to boil it all down my primary question at this point is, what is the biggest or most common reasons that the racquet would move around in my hand a lot?

Finally, can anyone recommend any good books or online video courses etc. for learning the basics? Or should I just stick with my weekly lessons?

If you've read this far, thanks!

I don't think your problem is the grip. I think you are not looking at the ball very well or long enough so you are mis-hitting it. You are not hitting the sweet spot that's why your grip is slipping. Most beginners when you tell them to look at the ball they swear to god thay they do, however the real problem is they are not looking at the ball long enough, they let go much earlier than they supposed to.

For books and videos, you can find them in the library. If you have a blockbuster or netflix subsciption they have a few available too.
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
if it is, in fact, that your grip is too small and you don't like the rounding-off effect of multiple overgrips, then you can take your grip off, and wrap the handle with athletic tape or electrical tape. then, just put a replacement grip over that. and maybe an overgrip. you could also get heat-shrink sleeves if you need to go up many sizes.
 
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SageOfDeath

Guest
You should try to look at the ball longer to avoid mishits. A common tip is to try to look at the ball as it touches the strings, of course its not possible to see it touch the strings try to. Because you have plenty of time to admire your shot later.
 

limitup

Professional
Thanks to everyone who replied for all the great tips. I'm going to look into everything you all have mentioned and work on it. I also decided to make up my own Wonder Grip out of a piece of hard foam I had laying around, to see how that feels. If it helps I'll order a real one. At this point I think it's mainly 2 things - a grip problem, and mishitting. I'm just not sure which is the cause and which is the effect.
 

TENNIS2

Rookie
Just want to reiterate the important point that others have said: your main problem is probably that you are not hitting the sweet spot. When I first started out, my exercise to improve sweet spot hitting is as follow: I hit against the wall, holding the racquet as lightly as possible (so if I do not hit the sweet spot I know right away because the racquet would twist in my hand), not hitting the ball hard, but trying to hit the sweet spot every time with a mental picture of where it is. Good luck.
 

theace21

Hall of Fame
TENNIS2 said:
Just want to reiterate the important point that others have said: your main problem is probably that you are not hitting the sweet spot. When I first started out, my exercise to improve sweet spot hitting is as follow: I hit against the wall, holding the racquet as lightly as possible (so if I do not hit the sweet spot I know right away because the racquet would twist in my hand), not hitting the ball hard, but trying to hit the sweet spot every time with a mental picture of where it is. Good luck.
If you don't hit the ball in the center of the racket, the racket will turn in your hand. You don't squeeze the racket that tightly. Work on your fundamentals.
 

limitup

Professional
Most people have been telling me that on a normal forehand I want to hit the ball on the lower half of the racquet, to help keep the racquet closed. So do I try to hit it in the middle, or lower than the middle??
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
Unbelieveable: 4/5/8 plus overwrap and still small? My goodness!

My actual grip size is 4/1/2 for sure, but about 15 years ago I was using a 4/5/8 grip racket and several overgrips on top of that. Why? Because I had seen one player with huge grip and I blindly followed that. Now I am using only 4/1/2 with one overgrip.

There may be several reasons for hand twisting:

-- Inappropriate grip size;

-- Holding the frame too tight or too loose (for FH hold it relax, for 1-handed BH hold it firm, for 2-handed BH relax; for serve loose).

-- In appropriate point of contact i.e. off center hits.

-- Sweaty hands

-- Oversize rackets.

Regards,

Mahboob Khan
 

limitup

Professional
I'm not sure my grip is too small ... I think that's probably me just looking for an excuse. I have a feeling the only real problem is my apparent lack of hand-eye coordination, and mishitting the ball too much (as several have suggested). I'm going to work on paying more attention to the ball and watching it longer and see how it goes. I did get one of these Wonder Grips though and I do like the way it feels. Obviously I'm not skilled enough to say, but I can understand why some people rave about it ...
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
limitup,

one thing that really helped me with hitting the sweet spot, was to imagine that the racket only has the two center mains strung in it. then, try to hit the ball with just those two strings
 
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