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4 in a row is 4 in a row, no? CYGS is just prettier on paper.
Why so much more credit given to CYGS, rather than NCYGS?
True Fanerer
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Inb4 Djokovic worship gag fest.
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Well we do have to look at when Djokovic pulled it off, which was when Rafa wasn't in the French Open. Still, it seems like the respect towards a NCYGS is so much less than that given towards a CYGS, which I find odd.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Save the sympathy for Navratilova - she won six in a row and didn't have it counted as a CYGS.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Well, the CYGS must begin at the AO, whereas any 4 in a row can happen at any of the other 3 slams. Because of this, it should be about 3 times harder to win a CYGS than a NCYGS.
As for why people measure it more highly, probably because a tennis season is a season. If you win all the slams in one season, you've utterly dominated the season, whereas if you win 2 in one and 2 in another, you only half-dominated 2 seasons.
As for why people measure it more highly, probably because a tennis season is a season. If you win all the slams in one season, you've utterly dominated the season, whereas if you win 2 in one and 2 in another, you only half-dominated 2 seasons.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
4 in a row is 4 in a row. Both are 4 in a row. Both are equal. One is more historic eye candy historically.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
In the current era CYGS is the only out the four in a rows where the player has to change surfaces three times
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OhYes
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What is so special about tennis season ? 1 whole year is still 1 year whether you start counting from January till January or July till July.
4 in a row is 4 in a row, it is equally hard whenever you make it.
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UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
4 in a row is the same no matter how you line them up. It is absurd to claim otherwise.
And because tennis isn't played on paper or with paper...
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, they're the same in my eyes, but the CYGS is definitely harder to pull off than the NCYGS just because of math.
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I guess this is a fact. I don't know how significant it is, but it is definitely true.
UnderratedSlam
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TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Ways to make a CYGS:
AO, RG, WIM, USO
Ways to make a NCYGS:
RG, WIM, USO, AO
WIM, USO, AO, RG
USO, AO, RG, WIM
If you can do something 3 times per 365 days, it's more likely to happen than the thing you can only do once a year.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Is this some kind of amusing riddle?
You are implying that the other three are identical. But they are not. All 4 combos are equally similar and dissimilar.
When we chose to start counting years is completely subjective. It means nothing. June could have been New Years.
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TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
Novak can still do a NCYGS. He can no longer do a CYGS.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty good analogy. One has more "eye candy" and stuff, but the there is a fresh start in January vs a possible break in between.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
How is the fresh start an advantage or disadvantage?
Seems people are trying way too hard to complicate an incredibly simple issue.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
True true.
CYGS is a prob a tad more difficult to pull off. Really a tad tho.
TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
It’s harder to win 4 slams in one season. Most players are pretty tired by the us open, so we end up having upsets and stuff. For NCYGS, a player can win us open first and continue on.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Correct. But June isn't New Years, and winning 4 in a row beginning in June will be called a NCYGS.
Think about it this way. If I was guaranteed to win the next 4 slams, then I would have either a CYGS or a NCYGS. Now if I drew out of a hat to determine the slam I started on, 25% of the time I would get the AO, and 75% of the time I would get anything else.
Because of this, it's 3x more likely that I have a NYCGS than a CYGS, necessarily making it less common.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Actually, FO was the most upset-heavy event for many years.
Look at the 80s and 90s FO winners.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Well, one can make the same case that taking a break while in form can make winning the AO more difficult.
TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
True. So it depends on the player. It’s advantage Djokovic in this situation. Fed possible too. But disadvantage nadal. Whereas for CYGS no one is at an advantage
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Precisely.
This is such a fascinating thread. Still can't decide if it's a joke thread though... because the gags keep piling.
TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
You can make the same argument between world one ranking, and YE1
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
YE1 is again the thing about things looking neat. A player that spends no1 throughout most of the year but loses it in the last week of November...
Weeks at no 1 are the real measuring stick.
Atennisone
Hall of Fame
That's true.
TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
Agreed
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
What difference does it make when there are so many months between USO and AO in a FO-W-USO-AO combo?
Staying in slam-winning form between September and January is pretty difficult. They are hardly played close to one another. The fact they're both hard courts is irrelevant. You have 4 months!
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
The tournaments in between USO and AO are on hc so the player does get more used to the surface compared to the other switches
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
The only switch that's tough is FO to W. You know this, surely.
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OhYes
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NCYGS is just the term for crying out loud. Every NCYGS can be called different adding Slam letter in front of it, but someone (fans probably) decided to call 3 of them NCYGS as it has some flaw ???
Do you even realize how meaningless this is ?
As an accomplishment they are the same. Starting from Wimbledon is equally hard as starting from AO.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You win two in a row then get a break, vs you have to win 4 in a row without a break.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Correct. Every 4 in a row is as difficult as any other, but CYGS is less common than NCYGS.NCYGS is just the term for crying out loud. Every NCYGS can be called different adding Slam letter in front of it, but someone (fans probably) decided to call 3 of them NCYGS as it has some flaw ???
Do you even realize how meaningless this is ?
As an accomplishment they are the same. Starting from Wimbledon is equally hard as starting from AO.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
And the one NCYGS on the men's side that's been accomplished didn't feature yet
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OhYes
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Because nobody has put a different letters in front of every NCYGS. If we want to be precise all the way, there is FOCGS, WMCGS and UOCGS. They are completely the same.
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OhYes
Guest
Well isnt CYGS a bit easier since it comes as a fresh start from the beginning, while in NCYGS you have a break in winter while you are still high and pumped with wins ?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Who says players don't take breaks mid-season?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Huh? They take an off-season? Not a hard concept to understand.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Damn, so refreshing to find another sane person here.
Incognito
Legend
Well Serena has 2 of those if I’m not mistaken, and people said they weren’t as good as Graf winning all 4 in 1 season.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
So if they can take breaks at will, why is only the December break valid as a break?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Women's tennis in the 80s was an utter joke. Graf is an overrated robot, and her stab-happy psychotic fan helped her win 5-6 slams more by almost killing her rival Seles in 1993.
Fun fact: he didn't even go to prison for it. Hooray Germany's justice system!
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OhYes
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So tired of seeing Novaks achievements being put down which nobody else did before, whether they call it easier or harder. There is a reason for players not making CYGS as well NCYGS.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I almost wish he'd win EIGHT in a row just to watch these people try to argue...Thanks
"Yes, but eight in a row is easy because... [insert BS argument that is based on LSD tripping and schizophrenia]"
No matter what the "enemy" achieves, it's not valid or good enough. Fanboys...
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Like I said earlier, it really is not that big of a deal, but you dont understand the difference between 2 months off? Cant do that during the season and win all four, unless that is all you play, or you do it after AO.
You continue to argue with me about a topic I actually side with Djoker fans, yet you still come on the attack??
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
But you can easily argue that 2 months off makes certain players lose their mojo... So it can be a disadvantage for the in-form dominator.
There, two can play the selective logic game...
Btw, not interested who you're a fan of, just want to fight bad logic.
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OhYes
Guest
So he won all Masters, nobody did that too, which just confirms him being one special guy.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
It is not bad logic, it is correct logic unless you throw an irrelevant what if scenario into it.
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