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Indianwells007

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BeatlesFan said:
The term "GOAT" has no plurals, it stands alone. Rafa winning 4 USO's is truly a great achievement, but he's far from HC GOAT and to suggest he is is actually laughable. That accolade goes to Fed or Djokovic who have far more titles on HC. Sampras has 5 USO's on HC's, he's also clearly ahead of Nadal on HC. Lendl, Mac and Connors would all have a clear cut case for being ahead of Nadal on HC, despite having fewer USO titles.

Nadal having only one AO title also is an issue in evaluating his greatness on the surface.
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Federer nowhere near HC Goat. 0 uso since Nadal and Djokovic arrived at their peaks rules Federer out. Can have a discussion about Sampras Nadal and Djokovic but be careful where you go with that as bear in mind if Djokovic is HC GOAT then Nadal having more USOs and a leading h2h v Novak there massively and i mean massively enhances Nadals legacy overall.
 
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clayqueen said:
Actually, the seeding used to be determined by a seeding committee but in 2002 they agreed a formula with the ATP that they apply every year. I wrote to them this year to complain. Judging by what Henman was saying about the controversy, I expect them to drop the formula and just go with the ATP rankings from next year.
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Well they should as it only appears to apply to top 10 players which of course renders it obsolete
 
NoleFam

NoleFam

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Indianwells007 said:
Federer nowhere near HC Goat. 0 uso since Nadal and Djokovic arrived at their peaks rules Federer out. Can have a discussion about Sampras Nadal and Djokovic but be careful where you go with that as bear in mind if Djokovic is HC GOAT then Nadal having more USOs and a leading h2h v Novak there massively and i mean massively enhances Nadals legacy overall.
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Federer is the hardcourt GOAT until Djokovic at least catches him or surpasses him which hasn't happened yet. He has 6 + 5, which is the best in the Open Era. No one can argue with this, even if he hasn't won USO for a decade. He still has 5 of them, more than Nadal or Djokovic. I don't see how a 2-1 head to head against Djokovic at the USO massively enhances Nadal's legacy anymore than it already was, especially since they haven't played there for over 6 years. I think winning 4 USO's enhanced Nadal's legacy.
 
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NoleFam said:
Federer is the hardcourt GOAT until Djokovic at least catches him or surpasses him which hasn't happened yet. He has 6 + 5, which is the best in the Open Era. No one can argue with this, even if he hasn't won USO for a decade. He still has 5 of them, more than Nadal or Djokovic. I don't see how a 2-1 head to head against Djokovic at the USO massively enhances Nadal's legacy anymore than it already was, especially since they haven't played there for over 6 years. I think winning 4 USO's enhanced Nadal's legacy.
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Sorry cannot agree with Federer. His record when Nadal and Djokovic arrived on the scene at their best is not good enough at the USO and it looks weird..5 in a row then nothing. Just looks like he was great then 2 turned up better.
 
NoleFam

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Indianwells007 said:
Sorry cannot agree with Federer. His record when Nadal and Djokovic arrived on the scene at their best is not good enough at the USO and it looks weird..5 in a row then nothing. Just looks like he was great then 2 turned up better.
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Well he is 3-3 against Djokovic at the USO so that's pretty impressive. I would say 1-3 against Nadal at AO is not good for him but he still won it 6 times. Nadal never faced him at the USO, not even when he was at his best so you have to remember that as well. He would have been an underdog against Federer at his best back in those days like 2005-2008, just like Djokovic was, when Federer was reeling them off one by one.
 
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KINGROGER

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Indianwells007 said:
Sorry cannot agree with Federer. His record when Nadal and Djokovic arrived on the scene at their best is not good enough at the USO and it looks weird..5 in a row then nothing. Just looks like he was great then 2 turned up better.
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Lol neither are better than Fed there at his best. Djokovic only just eeking out a win in 2011 for his first title.
Nadal absolutely 0 to do with Fed losing there since they never played.
 
upchuck

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Wimbledon. Always Wimbledon. (Unless it's the French Open, which is the only slam I'd want more for Djokovic than Wimbledon and that's only because he's only won it once).
 
clayqueen

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Indianwells007 said:
Well they should as it only appears to apply to top 10 players which of course renders it obsolete
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It is obsolete, but it applies to all 32 seeded players. They shouldn't have used a formula in the first place. Their explanation is that players whose rankings are due to their performance on clay but are not good on grass should be downgraded on grass but the same doesn't happen the other way round.
 
clayqueen

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Indianwells007 said:
At the start of USO federer fans were celebrating how fast the court was this year. Im confused lol
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As I've often said, the measurement of court speed depends on whether Rafa wins or not. Rafa has said many times that he doesn't mind fast courts but they are not letting the facts get in their way.
 
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Indianwells007 said:
Sorry cannot agree with Federer. His record when Nadal and Djokovic arrived on the scene at their best is not good enough at the USO and it looks weird..5 in a row then nothing. Just looks like he was great then 2 turned up better.
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Djokovic’s record at USO finals (8 finals and won only three of them) is a bigger hole in his USO resume.
 
clayqueen

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KINGROGER said:
Lol neither are better than Fed there at his best. Djokovic only just eeking out a win in 2011 for his first title.
Nadal absolutely 0 to do with Fed losing there since they never played.
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But Nadal beat the guys who beat Federer to win his USO titles, such as Robredo, Djokovic and Delpo.
 
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clayqueen said:
It is obsolete, but it applies to all 32 seeded players. They shouldn't have used a formula in the first place. Their explanation is that players whose rankings are due to their performance on clay but are not good on grass should be downgraded on grass but the same doesn't happen the other way round.
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They dont even apply it consistently either
 
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KINGROGER said:
Lol neither are better than Fed there at his best. Djokovic only just eeking out a win in 2011 for his first title.
Nadal absolutely 0 to do with Fed losing there since they never played.
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Federer keeps losing early thats why. 2010 2011 2013 2017 2019 federer failed to make it as far as Nadal. This year and 2017 by far the worse though as del potro and dimitrov? Given overall h2h v both very off Federer should lose at US Open when everyone was begging for a Nadal v Federer match
 
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I'd take the USO because it means Rafa is having a great season and playing well. Anytime he's won the USO, he's been in the top 2 for the whole year.
 
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Indianwells007 said:
Federer keeps losing early thats why. 2010 2011 2013 2017 2019 federer failed to make it as far as Nadal. This year and 2017 by far the worse though as del potro and dimitrov? Given overall h2h v both very off Federer should lose at US Open when everyone was begging for a Nadal v Federer match
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Just like Nadal lost frequently from 2004-2009 before facing Fed there...
 
Enceladus

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clayqueen said:
It is obsolete, but it applies to all 32 seeded players. They shouldn't have used a formula in the first place. Their explanation is that players whose rankings are due to their performance on clay but are not good on grass should be downgraded on grass but the same doesn't happen the other way round.
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Wimbledon's formula for seeds system is okay. Only radical Nadal fans want to remove anything that their pet doesn't like. :rolleyes::X3:
 
DSH

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Why can't you be happy for both?
:)
Thanks to what happened this season that ends, the expectations for the coming years are too high; On the one hand we would be finishing the last chapter of this trivalry and on the other, a new era formed by talented young players will begin soon, replacing these 3 racket giants.
Enjoy the Path, Not Just the Reward!
;)
 
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Indianwells007

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KINGROGER said:
Yet fed was at his peak from age 22-38
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Stop the too old excuse. Gatlin yesterday got world silver in 100m..ronaldo and messi well into 30s and by far the best footballers.

Times have chamged and all athletes can easily stay at the top until 40 if they have the motivation. Its called evolution and sports science.
 
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Indianwells007

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Lleytonstation said:
Ahhh so you can be too young but not too old... :rolleyes:
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Until a motivates professional athlete is over 40 in 21st century they are not too old. Yes in the 80s over 30 was old but guess what, times have changed and diet, training, recovery sessions, sports science has ensured athletes can be peak alot longer.

However science will never make the human body and maturity develop quicker so there will never be a sportsperson outside gymnastics peak before 21.
 
MichaelNadal

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The one that ended in me doing a scoot :)

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MugOpponent

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As an American, I like Nadal winning the USO especially in an instant classic match against what is likely the next great player in tennis. Getting the 4th title there with the possibility of tying for the most all time in the future is huge for his legacy. To me that's better than a third Wimbledon.
 
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