Or maybe I was watching that match from a neutral pov which makes it actually easier to judge
Worst 5 setter Slam final in the past few decades?
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Or maybe I was watching that match from a neutral pov which makes it actually easier to judge
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
The 5 worst 5 setter GS finals in my totally unbiased opinion:
- Wimbledon 2008
- AO 2009
- RG 2011 (OK, 4 sets, but I needed a RG final on my list)
- USO 2015 (this one also had only 4 sets, but I want it here, because I will not just put the USO 2009 on this list)
- Wimbledon 2019
- Wimbledon 2008
- AO 2009
- RG 2011 (OK, 4 sets, but I needed a RG final on my list)
- USO 2015 (this one also had only 4 sets, but I want it here, because I will not just put the USO 2009 on this list)
- Wimbledon 2019
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AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
That's a player fan attitude, not a tennis fan. Watching isn't a chore, especially if you skip time between points.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Disliking a match is one thing, but calling it a badly played match is another as that's just not the case at all.
Your dislike of Federer is quite palpable in your posts, I did assume PETE fan.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
A neutral POV by default is hardly possible because it would entail staying indifferent to each of the big 3.
It shouldn't be difficult to give it another watch if you really cared, at least the first two sets, and jot down your observations in neutral terms...
I made a comment about a match that took place 13 YEARS ago and yet you felt pissed to comment on my comment because you assumed I dislike Federer which is actually you not being able to handle a comment that is somewhat negative towards Federer. Notice one thing: I never said Federer didn't deserve to win that match. lmao
Again how is a match that took place 13 years ago related to the big 3?
accidental
Hall of Fame
Thiem Zverev was just awful. That fifth set was some of the lowest quality tennis I’ve seen in a televised grand slam match
NatF
Bionic Poster
Who says I'm pissed?
My first comment was rather benign, just commented that the error figures were low and there weren't too many missed chances. But of course you doubled down on a match you've seen far less recently than I have I don't assume anything, I've seen lots of your posts man. No problem if you dislike Federer BTW, I just think it's clouding your view of this match. There's no way a neutral observer could consider it one of the worst five setters of the last few decades. Was it one of the highest quality matches of the era? No, but certainly there have been many far worse lol.
Who says I'm pissed?
And I already replied that if that is the case then I still remember it not being a good match at all.
You are missing the point. I said that was one of the worst 5 setter finals I remember watching. It's an oppinion not a fact. Also, very typical for most fans here is one thing: you cannot ever say anything bad about one of your 3 heros cause then you guys start crying and whining.
I have said many things about Federer which Federer fans can't deal with because they don't accept certain thing. But I have also been arguing with Djokal fans about other things, for instance I have said neither Nadal nor Novak would have won any Wimbledon titles and not (m)any US Open in the 80s and 90s. You don't see them calling me haters though for some reason.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer played in it.
Oh I see. In 2009 the big 3 were already a thing. Thanks for reminding me. ^^
Oh btw I think I am also one of the very few people here who have said that the 2008 Wimbledon final is overrated since it's being viewed as the best ever and it's funny cause Federer actually lost that match so I shouldn't have said that actually since I am a Fed hater.
NatF
Bionic Poster
If anyone is whining it's you lol. If I disagree with your opinion should I not say so? I actually ignore a lot of comments I disagree with, I was just hopeful that you'd have more to say than just "well I remember it was a bad match so there". You gave two reasons for why you thought the quality of play was "so bad", errors and missed chances. Neither are really accurate if you rewatch or check the stats. Of course the quality of the hitting could have just been below par despite the low number of errors etc...but considering you probably watched it once 13 years ago I don't think your memory is truthworthy.
I mean you've been critical of the last 20 years of tennis on numerous occasions, the fact you dislike everyone doesn't make you anymore objective. What you're saying is you do dislike him but you dislike Djokodal as well? Don't see how that invalidates my point that you're hardly an neutral observer.
Who's whining and crying again?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
I guess you're an equal opportunity hater then.
Both finals are overrated or underrated depending on who you ask. The 08 final is generally rated quite a bit higher due to the Nadal factor though, so I would say it is the more overrated one.
No, you should. But unlike you I am not trying to convince you about anything, you however are trying to convince me that my oppinion is invalid because of stats. If I serve 100 aces in a match would you call it a great match? After all those are all direct points. See the difference.
I don't see you jumping on me when I say anything bad about Nadal or Djokovic though. ;-)
The being neutral observer comment was about the 2009 match. Did you even watch that match THEN?
Who's whining and crying again?
Based on the energy you are putting in on a comment about a match from 2009 it's you.^^
I can agree with this.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Such projection
I'm not really trying to convince you, just pointing out the flaws your in your memory hoping for at least all concession that maybe your memory from 13 years ago isn't 100% accurate. Unfortunately humility cannot be found.
I watched it live and a couple of times since, most recently last year. Your analogy is flawed, lots of aces yes but also some fine points from the baseline. The serve is the most important shot and covers a lot of the quality in a match if performed to a high standard. Fed and Rod had enough game from the back for it to be a good standard of match.
If you were to call say the 2012 AO final one of the worst you'd seen I would disagree there as well. I don't read all your posts but I've seen enough.
You're putting in equal energy though lol.
InsideOut900
Legend
The match was pretty even throughout, except Federer shutting down his service game completely in set 3 and Roddick managing a break in the 4th.
So you can probably watch the 1st set, multiply it x5 and you get a decent picture of it.
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That was a general statement about any match since you brought up stats. I could have asked whether the Isner vs Mahut match is considered a good match since both served over 200 aces combined (granted I never watched that match anyway).
And yet I have never seen you say anything when I said something negative about Djokal.
Right.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Your statement was irrelevant then. Federer and Roddick are not Isner and Mahut lol.
I don't read all your posts. But if it makes you feel better in future I'll try to call out all your terrible takes
That's why I called it a general statement.
I don't read all your posts. But if it makes you feel better in future I'll try to call out all your terrible takes
Yeah please do it. It would be the 1st time that you ever defended Djokal. ^^
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