Mary Carillo: "The US Open is much faster than Wimbledon"
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superstition
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I wonder what tournament has the fastest hard courts?
There was a Davis Cup match where Roddick hit a ridiculous number of aces against Llodra in the first two sets. The commentator said the court was very fast. I don't remember where that was.
I've read that back when tennis was mostly played on grass the American hard court tournaments out west were very fast and low bouncing.
There was a Davis Cup match where Roddick hit a ridiculous number of aces against Llodra in the first two sets. The commentator said the court was very fast. I don't remember where that was.
I've read that back when tennis was mostly played on grass the American hard court tournaments out west were very fast and low bouncing.
stormholloway
Legend
It's the indoor courts that tend to be the fastest.
I'm not so convinced that the US Open is faster than Wimbledon.
I'm not so convinced that the US Open is faster than Wimbledon.
Challenger
Semi-Pro
I believe that was in Winston Salem, NC.
Carillo also just said Australian Open court plays more like clay than hardcourts during the Querrey-Nadal match.
stormholloway
Legend
I think she said Wimbledon is closer to clay than it is to the US Open courts. That's what I heard.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL. he is already complaining about this comment in the Querey vs rafa thread:
Challenger
Semi-Pro
During the Querrey-Nadal match today? She was very clearly talking about the AO. She even said it had more "grip" on the court than USO, which makes it easier slam for Nadal.
I wish there was a concrete way to measure this. Well there probably is but I wish we actually knew. Odd for a commentator to actually say it.
Anybody else hoping for Federer defeating Nadal in the final? I like both players, but normally cheer for Nadal in head to head matchups. This time I hope Federer ends the season on a high.
Anybody else hoping for Federer defeating Nadal in the final? I like both players, but normally cheer for Nadal in head to head matchups. This time I hope Federer ends the season on a high.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Oh plz, this is not even ground breaking news!!!The surface at wimbledon is a joke.The bounces are ridiculous.I been saying that for the last couple of years.
I think we all know this(READ: not Nadalfreak) but a commentator actually said something for once. I don't think Wimbledon is a joke, it just isn't fast anymore. Nadal still won, on the same surface that Federer dominated the years before.
It's definitely not the same surface that Federer won on. AELTC says one thing, but we all know they do all sorts of dumb stuff. I mean, they only changed the surface because of ONE match. Geez. How stupid is that? I mean, Goran and Sampras would be boring on any surface, even on clay.
BBC did a statistical analysis comparing 2003 to 2008, and Federer's serve in 2003 was faster from the bounce, and much lower, while the 2008 service had a 10 mph drop off and bounced much higher.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=78a09d9e4b19e0b7ab1eab3e9fa335cac4eb78e8a6f09ea3 is the data I collected up. It's not even close. 5% break difference year after year. Drakulie got my quote. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=207765
PROTENNIS63
Hall of Fame
Mary was actually correct.
*I hate her BTW*
*I hate her BTW*
Babb
Professional
The new Australian Open courts are supposed to be a little slower and have more bounce to them than the US Open courts. That is my understanding.
After looking at your break percentage theory which makes no sense, it's pretty funny to see that I'm about to blow up your entire theory into the ground.
Australian Open 2008 1st 2nd 3rd 4th QTR Semi Final
Return Games Won 515 247 125 61 26 11 6
Wimbledon 2008 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Qtr Semi Final
Return Games won 379 200 87 50 31 8 5
Considering the fact that the Australian Open is one of the SLOWEST hardcourts in the world, how do you explain the fact that outside the 1st round (which always has huge deviations in between every slam) that the numbers are very comparable.
Nadal_Monfils
Semi-Pro
Yea, she said both. It seems like people remember how fast the grass used to be and then start exaggerating and calling the current grass "green clay" and such.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Australian Open wasn't that slow in the second week. And your stats are pretty weak. My stats show a lot more evidence since as it considers the length of the match unlike yours.
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
New Aus Open is at least a medium paced court. It's not slow at all. Rebound ace before it was layered with Plexicushion is however quite slow.
stormholloway
Legend
But isn't this quantifiable? I can say that it's my opinion that dogs lay eggs but I'd be wrong.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Agreed. Very similar to the US Open. I actually think Nadal's spin bounces higher than at the Australian Open.
Bottle Rocket
Hall of Fame
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Cincinatti, AMS Paris and TMC seem to be the fastest hardcourts around these days.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I don't think Paris is among fastest hardcourts,I remember Nalbandian saying last year before the final with Nadal that Paris is slower than Madrid.
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Deleted member 25923
Guest
I heard her specifically say that Wimbledon is slower than US Open!
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
She was obviously referring to the bounce/height of the ball.
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Deleted member 25923
Guest
Look at the two stats.
Lopez hit 22 aces per match on average.
Karlovic hit 31 aces per match on average.
Just using stats against you NF.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
The commentators are really annoying today. Nadal got broken 6 times in all of Wimbledon and he got broken 4 times today alone. The slower courts helped Querrey return serve as well as it helped Nadal break Querrey. I don't get why people keep saying US Open is faster than Wimbledon. Does it make them feel proud to say the US Open (our country) has the fastest courts?
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Nadal_Freak
Banned
Karlovic always aces a ton. He lost early in Wimbledon. He doesn't like the movement on grass. Too tall and off balanced.
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Deleted member 25923
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Maybe because Nadal plays better at Wimbledon? Because a truer bounce affects his opponents? Because serves alone don't determine breaks!
Fee
Legend
They say the USO is faster than Wimbledon because it is. It was last year as well.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
he got broken so much because his serve was awful, and he was hitting some second serves at 80 mph.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
The speed of the court determines how many breaks there are. There is very little deviation on the height of bounce from here and Wimbledon. Wimbledon also seems to have pretty true bounces these days. The difference is the Americans and many other players move much better on hardcourts and are able to get in position to be more aggressive as well as being better defensively.
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For Nadal_Freak, Ivo only hit 23 aces in the Wimbledon match.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
One match is not enough info to determine the speed. No surprise he lost with that stat. Ivo gets hurt the most by the movement on grass.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Finally you admit the US open is way faster than Wimbledon.
Nadal got broken so many times today because he played like ****.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Wimbledon is faster than US Open...
