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Happy new year for you too!. I hope you all play great on 2007 with the k90.
Sorry, time for my english class.
Sorry, time for my english class.
KSixOne TOUR vs. NCode TOUR 90
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's only because we still can't get our hands on them yet. :-(
You can't have a honeymoon if you can't get your hands on a wife, right?
LOL
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
Just who are you talking about here: breakpoint, yourself, or SOMEONE who's ACTUALLY played with the k90 before? SO I'm talking about YOU and breakpoint. I already know he's played with the racket, so my OP wasn't towards him.
AlpineCadet
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I'd say "irrelevance" is your middle name.
And I know a h*ll of a lot more about tennis and racquets than you do. That much is clear. When was the last time TW posted one of your reviews (have you even done any?) on its website? You didn't even know about nor try the PS Tour 90 until a couple of years after it was discontinued. What's that about?
Lol, what an attempt. It's obviously the case that nCode is too muted for my tastes and the PST90 would be a perfect answer for me. Nice try at the personal attack, but it just doesn't make any sense.
Also, wouldn't the new K90 be the same choice for you? It's less muted, and has a much better feel. Hmm, so you're on the same boat as me, but you defend you answers by attacking me on something totally off topic. Nice try.
AlpineCadet
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Hey Mike, if my OP was directed towards you, then you could post that, but you should go back and read what I originally wrote.
Pro_Tour_630
Legend
yes I have,
then your reply to MY post
can I comment on it now?
maybe you should have pointed out SF in your reply to me instead of "you", I am not that quick you know
now you are making BP look like an angle with this one;-)
Happy new year
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Are you accusing me of having written a review of the K90 without having played with it?
If so, search high and low, search all you want, but you won't find a review of the K90 from me (to date).
I'm excited about the K90 for myself (heck, it's what I requested directly to Wilson to make for me). I really don't care what anyone else chooses to use. And from all the reviews I've read so far, it certainly sounds very close, if not exactly, the racquet that I requested Wilson to make and release to the public.
Is this what you mean by Original post?:
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we are talking about the K90 not the k95. I have no clue about the 95. when matched with same gripsize and setup the K90 is easier to swing than the ncode90. There are many people whom have tried both 90's and when you usually agree %99 with everything they have said in the past you tend to take their word more so than a person whom have said nothing so far in the racquet section.
if you look at the limited # of bobs posts you can see that all of them are in the wanted and for sale section. No one knows bobs veiws on anything but wanting something or selling something or prasing a seller.
When you vote for a person who serves in the Gov, you most likely vote on his record on all the issues he has voted for or against in the past. This is how you develop trust that this person in office MIGHT best represent you. Believe it or not there are certain people on this board whom we take thier words as gold when it comes to certain gear based upon what they have been talking about over the years (7 years for that matter for us) A person with no history and no record who pops ups with a "shady" first post in the racquet section by praising a stick he is selling and bashing a new competing replacement stick that is coming out in few weeks is not what I call a post with high integrity.
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Like I've said before, before making assumptions, just wait until you've tried the k90 for yourself. Until then, everything you say is pointless.
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Here it is directly copy and pasted from your post. You were referring to Michael, seeing as you quoted him. I am trying my best to make sense of what you are saying, but you do not make that particularly easy.
AlpineCadet
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Is this what you mean by Original post?:
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Originally Posted by michael chaho
we are talking about the K90 not the k95. I have no clue about the 95. when matched with same gripsize and setup the K90 is easier to swing than the ncode90. There are many people whom have tried both 90's and when you usually agree %99 with everything they have said in the past you tend to take their word more so than a person whom have said nothing so far in the racquet section.
if you look at the limited # of bobs posts you can see that all of them are in the wanted and for sale section. No one knows bobs veiws on anything but wanting something or selling something or prasing a seller.
When you vote for a person who serves in the Gov, you most likely vote on his record on all the issues he has voted for or against in the past. This is how you develop trust that this person in office MIGHT best represent you. Believe it or not there are certain people on this board whom we take thier words as gold when it comes to certain gear based upon what they have been talking about over the years (7 years for that matter for us) A person with no history and no record who pops ups with a "shady" first post in the racquet section by praising a stick he is selling and bashing a new competing replacement stick that is coming out in few weeks is not what I call a post with high integrity.
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Like I've said before, before making assumptions, just wait until you've tried the k90 for yourself. Until then, everything you say is pointless.
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Here it is directly copy and pasted from your post. You were referring to Michael, seeing as you quoted him. I am trying my best to make sense of what you are saying, but you do not make that particularly easy.
I was NOT talking to him. That's just a total mix-up of posts and info. Thanks for removing the quotes and making it seem otherwise.
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AlpineCadet
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Is this what you mean by Original post?:
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Originally Posted by michael chaho
we are talking about the K90 not the k95. I have no clue about the 95. when matched with same gripsize and setup the K90 is easier to swing than the ncode90. There are many people whom have tried both 90's and when you usually agree %99 with everything they have said in the past you tend to take their word more so than a person whom have said nothing so far in the racquet section.
if you look at the limited # of bobs posts you can see that all of them are in the wanted and for sale section. No one knows bobs veiws on anything but wanting something or selling something or prasing a seller.
When you vote for a person who serves in the Gov, you most likely vote on his record on all the issues he has voted for or against in the past. This is how you develop trust that this person in office MIGHT best represent you. Believe it or not there are certain people on this board whom we take thier words as gold when it comes to certain gear based upon what they have been talking about over the years (7 years for that matter for us) A person with no history and no record who pops ups with a "shady" first post in the racquet section by praising a stick he is selling and bashing a new competing replacement stick that is coming out in few weeks is not what I call a post with high integrity.
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Like I've said before, before making assumptions, just wait until you've tried the k90 for yourself. Until then, everything you say is pointless.
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Here it is directly copy and pasted from your post. You were referring to Michael, seeing as you quoted him. I am trying my best to make sense of what you are saying, but you do not make that particularly easy.
I am directly talking to you about making assumptions about a racket you've never tested before. YOU, not michael chaho.
AlpineCadet
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This is specifically written for you. Now do you have an answer? Then I guess it's settled.
"You know what doesn't fly," SFrazeur? Talking about things you know nothing about.
In this post you quoted this post by Michael:
Again you said this:
you were referring to Michael, the person you quoted.
I then posted this reply, where I pointed out that Michael had indeed played with the k90.
You then post this which makes does not make sense: *EDIT*: in th context of the discussion.
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Did you read this post of mine?
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1141740&postcount=39
You should find your answer there.
AlpineCadet
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Ah, well when you've played with the k90, then you'll be more than welcomed to make comments about it. Until then..
People, please go to this post linked and judge matters for yourselves.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1141740&postcount=39
AlpineCadet
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Yes, I've just read it. It all makes sense, but you are making assumptions about a person right off the bat, just solely based on his limited amounts of posts. You take apart his statements as though they have no factual basis, when he has in fact given his review of a racket you've never hit with. Point is, you talk about a racket you've never picked up before, and it's just nonsense to say those things about him and his review, esp. from where you're standing.
The reason I discount his review was because of this statement:
This does not make sense. Again, I am not saying the k90 is not more or less bulky than the n90. But, how does the removal of the top inch of the pallet and grip result in bulkiness?
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AlpineCadet
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Anyway, I've also read Michael Chaho's review of the k90 vs n90 and it's a decent review. But there are some things to consider, like Wilson's quality control. Wilson is known for their lack of quality control for their rackets as most of their rackets weigh and balance up differently, unless they are a matching pair. For example one of my PS Tour 90's weighs 13oz strung with one wilson pro over-grip while another weighs in at 12.8oz with the same exact setup. Now speaking of the k90, just because a demo racket feels lighter than the rest (as I believe is the case) doesn't mean that's going to be the general consensus for all the k90 rackets. I have a few friends who have already demo'd the racket and they have all said the k-factors swing heavier than the ncodes that they are replacing, and I'm almost positive this is what will be said in the future about all k-factor rackets. (BTW, these friends work at a pro tennis shop called The Rac.ket Doc.tor)
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AlpineCadet
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We've already covered this. Just because he has one opinion that seems to make sense to him, but is actually just a conjecture on his part, and happens to be something you disagree with, doesn't necessarily mean everything he says is false. I would think twice before following that type of logic.
Wilson's quality control is a joke. It should be call quantity control, set at max.
Some have suggested that k90 layup is more like the PS 85. If this is true, I would wonder if the people that feel the k90 swings heavier would feel that way about the PS 85, if they are used to the n90.
AlpineCadet
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lol, that is so true, it's not even a joke. BTW, the ps85 to me feels heavier to swing than the ncode90, but then again, I am sensitive to the over-all weight differences. This is obvious from switching to the ncode90 after having a long session with the ps85. However, I prefer a heavier swing anyway, because to me, it's like having a small level of comfort in having a more controlled swing. I'd say it's kind of like having a warm jacket on cold day, if that makes any sense.
I do not believe everything he says is false. If that is the impression you have, it was not my intention, if you can show me a statement or set of statements I have made that would indicate that, I would certainly like to clarify the matter.
AlpineCadet
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That's alright, I think we've already understood the situation/positions we've taken. And a quick review through the entire thread doesn't hurt either.
For me I feel the nCode is heavier swing. I have wondered if muscle fiber twitch types have anything to do with this. (Fast twitch types, slow twitch types.)
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
That's a little extreme for an overall picture of the equation. The whole range of motion in swinging a forehand or backhand after a long session of tennis would give you the answer that the overall heavier racket would be the heavier swing.
BounceHitBounceHit
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I couldn't agree more that historically Wilson's QC has been poor. I've often had trouble finding frames close enough in 'out of the box' specs to match w/o a big hassle. That's why I'm sorry to see the K90 won't be offered in factory matched pairs. However TW does offer frame matching services for a modest fee, and it is well worth it.
I have been told by a good friend who is a very fine player that the store you mention is populated by knowledgeable staff. However, I am going to be very suprised if the GENERAL CONSENSUS evolves that the K90 swings heavier than the n90. The K90 I had felt like its swingweight might be in the low to mid 320's. Further it's static weight and balance were spot on spec. Additionally Michael Chaho, a long time poster and reliable reporter of tennis experience, found the same as I, ie an easier to swing tool, when using the K90.
Best,
CC
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
no mine was better nananana
It's fun to read how others found the various frames.......'fleshes out' my understanding of what they do and don't do well.Best,
CC
AlpineCadet
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You've written some of the greater racket reviews on TW and I am looking forward to your next reviews. As for the k90's swingweight, it's still yet to be determined.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Thanks!
I will be very interested to see what the 'official spec' on the SW turns out to be.
Best,
CC
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
Thanks!
I will be very interested to see what the 'official spec' on the SW turns out to be.
Best,
CC
Does an 'official spec' SW necessarily determine a rackets feel while swinging it, when compared to a racket with identical SW numbers?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What's the matter with you?
Just because some of us have not played with the K90 yet, we're not allowed to make comments about it? Who's rules are those? YOURS? Because I certainly don't see it in TW's message board rules.
Comments like: "I'm really looking forward to playing with it."; "It sure sounds like the racquet I'm looking for."; "According to CC, the K90 has more feel than the nCode 90.", etc., etc. All of which I've probably said at one point or another. Those are not allowed according to you? Do you own and run this board?
You haven't played with the K90 yet, either, so why are YOU posting in all of these K90 threads?
In addition, aren't YOU the one who went on and on about how the PS Tour 90 is going to be your "Holy Grail" even BEFORE you've ever even seen or touched one, even starting a thread about it? What a hypocrite!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=95785
AlpineCadet
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What's the matter with you?
Just because some of us have not played with the K90 yet, we're not allowed to make comments about it? Who's rules are those? YOURS? Because I certainly don't see it in TW's message board rules.
Comments like: "I'm really looking forward to playing with it."; "It sure sounds like the racquet I'm looking for."; "According to CC, the K90 has more feel than the nCode 90.", etc., etc. All of which I've probably said at one point or another. Those are not allowed according to you? Do you own and run this board?
You haven't played with the K90 yet, either, so why are YOU posting in all of these K90 threads?
In addition, aren't YOU the one who went on and on about how the PS Tour 90 is going to be your "Holy Grail" even BEFORE you've ever even seen or touched one, even starting a thread about it? What a hypocrite!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=95785
I thought this topic was over, as how we've all been discussing this for the past hour, but I guess it's not.
BTW, I think the title of that thread was "Hoping I found the holy grail..." but that's besides the point. I made no claims, but only had hopes. It is, for me, my holy grail indeed, and I didn't think the weight of the racket was enough to deter me from keeping it, as how it did for you.
You are making this into an on-going argument, digging up old threads and being creative with your personal attacks. Please stop trying to pick a fight with me.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Do any of you guys think that it may just be possible that the guys that work for this store may have an incentive not to speak too highly of the K90 for now because they may still have a large inventory of nCode 90's that they need to unload before the K90 comes out? If they hype the K90 too much now, they'll be stuck with a large inventory of unsold nCode 90's that they can't get rid of and for which they've already paid for. Not a good business decision to hype a product you cannot yet sell while cannibalizing sales of an existing product of which you still have a large paid for inventory of.
It's the same reason TW has said so little about the K90 - they also still have a large inventory of nCode 90's they need to sell off first. Wilson also hasn't said too much about the K90 to their retail channels because they want those channels to sell of the remaining stock of nCode 90's first at full price instead of heavily discounting them and taking a loss.
Just putting the theory out there.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Exactly, SFrazeur!
I really don't care about what the K90's swingweight spec is. I care about how it swings.
As with the nCode 90, the swingweight spec is not always an accurate indicator of how the racquet actually swings in actual play.
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
That's quite a stretch as to accuse one of the best pro shops in Southern California of lying and misleading. That isn't the case at all. One of the many people who have told me about their experiences is a person named Jeff, the assistant manager who has been using the nCode 95 since they first arrived (he is sponsored by Wilson, and also gets free strings from them.) He says it's taking him a while to adjust to the weight differences, as the k95 has a heavier swingweight and a more sluggish feel. He's been using the ncode 95 for 3+ years straight, or however long the ncodes have been out.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's quite a stretch as to accuse one of the best pro shops in Southern California of lying and misleading. That isn't the case at all. One of the many people who have told me about their experiences is a person named Jeff, the assistant manager who has been using the nCode 95 since they first arrived (he is sponsored by Wilson, and also gets free strings from them.) He says it's taking him a while to adjust to the weight differences, as the k95 has a heavier swingweight and a more sluggish feel. He's been using the ncode 95 for 3+ years straight, or however long the ncodes have been out.
And what does the nCode 95 and K95 have anything at all to do with the nCode 90 and K90?
You really don't know your racquets at all, do you?We're talking about the K90 ONLY here. Look at the topic of this thread.
The K95 has nothing at all to do with the K90. Apples and oranges. Notice how CC loved the K90 but absolutely hated the K95? They are completely different racquets from completely different racquet family lines. It's not only the headsizes that are different. The 95's are based on the PS 6.1 family while the 90's are based on the PS 6.0 family.
The K95 can swing like a mack truck for all I care, and it wouldn't change my opinion of the K90 one iota.
AlpineCadet
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And what does the nCode 95 and K95 have anything at all to do with the nCode 90 and K90?
We're talking about the K90 ONLY here. Look at the topic of this thread.
The K95 has nothing at all to do with the K90. Apples and oranges. Notice how CC loved the K90 but absolutely hated the K95? They are completely different racquets from completely different racquet family lines. It's not only the headsizes that are different. The 95's are based on the PS 6.1 family while the 90's are based on the PS 6.0 family.
The K95 can swing like a mack truck for all I care, and it wouldn't change my opinion of the K90 one iota.
As I've stated before, please don't try to pick a fight with me, or make this into an on-going arguement when you can just ask me or talk to me. If you didn't understand what I've just written 2 posts before, let me re-state things. Of the MANY people I've talked to, ONE of the people I've talked with is Jeff. I KNOW we're talking about the k90, don't manipulate the situation by turning it into something else.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
OK, now that we've got that straight that we're talking about the K90 and NOT the K95, did your friends actually play with the K95 or the K90 because in this post of yours, you implied that they played with the K90 and found it to swing heavier than the nCode 90 since the K90 and the nCode 90 were the topics of your paragraph.As I've stated before, please don't try to pick a fight with me, or make this into an on-going arguement when you can just ask me or talk to me.
If it was the K95 that they played with then it has no relevance to this discussion.
AlpineCadet
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They've played with BOTH the k90 and k95. How many times are you going to ask silly questions or try to manipulate the truth?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
OK, we know Jeff played with the K95 and that the nCode 95 was his regular stick. How many of your other "friends" played with the K90 and was a long-time user of the nCode 90? I only care about the opinions of regular users of the nCode 90 when comparing it to the K90 because to regular users of the nCode 95, both the nCode 90 and the K90 will feel different and probably heavier to them.
AlpineCadet
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BTW, the assistant manager of The Rac.ket Doc.tor has the k95 (which I saw in person) and he says both the k95/k90 swing slower than the ncode 95/90. (He is sponsored by Wilson, and has been using the ncode 95 since they first arrived.)
And also, how would a limited amount of posts, or any amount for that matter, negate anything a person says?
Now you're asking for something specific on your conditions? What in the world are you talking about?
AlpineCadet
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I don't have time for your on-going games of personal attacks and questionable tactics at trying to better someone. The point is we're trying to find out information about a tennis racket before it is even on sale to the general public, but you on the other hand are just becoming a hassle to talk to, especially with the way you are searching old topics to bring up and quote so you can just get away with things by misleading and angering people. Please don't be such the arrogant annoyance I've expected you to be. :-o Do you even realize that?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
OK, so it wasn't "friends" (plural), but it was just ONE guy, the assistent manager, who hit with the K90 (or did he even as you only said "he has the K95"?). And he's a long time user of the nCode 95, NOT the nCode 90. Thus, BOTH the K90 and nCode 90 are going to feel strange to him and he may not be able to accurately determine which swings heavier since he has not played with either one for any significant amount of time. Plus, this is just a sample size of ONE.
I'll stick to CC's and MC's opinions, and all the others here who have said that the K90 swings easier than the nCode 90. They are a much larger sample size, and most of them were regular users of the nCode 90.
Thanks for the info anyway.
AlpineCadet
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Nice try breakpoint, this is a perfect example of what you're capable of manipulating. Below is what I've written just a few posts above, but you still try to LIE and MISLEAD people into thinking differently about the topic and of what has been actually said:
AlpineCadet
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I do not know whether or not they are strict users of only the n90, but of all the people I've talked to, they all say the k-factor 90 AND 95 rackets are heavier to swing than their replacements.
