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Lead with a gap tooth between the center mains!
That's what I do... tungsten tape either side of 12 o'clock.... (as well as 3 & 9)...
Lead with a gap tooth between the center mains!
I could never add lead at 12 o'clock because the lead tape always gets messed up from stringing machine mounts. I also don't want to add it underneath the bumper guard because it's hard to remove and I essentially waste a bumper guard if I had to take it off.
I just had my match frame's bumper guard replaced and it would not go back on correctly and had to use grommet tubing. This is probably the fourth time I've replaced the bumper guard and the first time that it's happened. I think the older your racquet gets and then more you restring it, the graphite fibers break and the hoop gets larger over time.
Lateral Stability would suffer and I want all I can get here.
Is the Ultra Tour better with lead at 3 and 9 or 12 o'clock and where would you counter weight to maintain balance? Above the handle or at the buttcap?
I hit a SW FH and plow through more than windshield wipe, so I don't care for the polarized setup much, but I do hit with an ATP FH, similar to Delpo's flat FH stroke.
Probably on both. Sweet spot is small and power is low.Is the Ultra Tour better with lead at 3 and 9 or 12 o'clock and where would you counter weight to maintain balance? Above the handle or at the buttcap?
I hit a SW FH and plow through more than windshield wipe, so I don't care for the polarized setup much, but I do hit with an ATP FH, similar to Delpo's flat FH stroke.
I don't find the sweet spot being small. Actually coming from a 90" racquet I find it huge [emoji4] The power is low indeed, which is good.
Was hitting with the UT yesterday for a few hrs, kind of agree good sweet spot, feels solid frame but power is low which is what I expected looking at the specs.
Is power level similar to IG Prestige MP (both being stock), if you had experience by any chance? Or lower?
I play with tc97 16x19 and Head youtek prestige MP (red frame) 18x20 98sq inch 320g unstrung. It's considerably lower power than Angell obviously and lower power than the prestige too, however it's a full 15g lighter than the prestige so would be interesting to replicate the weight in some way and keep the balance similar to see how it plays.
I don't understand quite, does the tape fall off or you're talking about the pressure marks that machine mounts leave? It's true stringing machine applies pressure so it leaves a mark on the lead tape, however lead tape stays there nevertheless if you stick it correctly.
You need to make sure you clean thoroughly with a cotton swab and alcohol the inside of the frame where you stick the lead tape. Sometimes there is manufacturing residue (experienced with Wilson) which prevents proper adhesion, and if the racquet is not new there will be dirt. But after cleaning the frame there should be no problem, unless there's something wrong with lead tape's glue. I recommend Tourna lead tape as each package I had experience with (I got them mostly through the internet, some from US through the bay, some from German and English web shops though my local shop sells is as well) was perfect, never had issues with any. I use otherwise a reel of Gamma lead tape but its glue is somehow worse, though it stays in place every time if I clean the frame.
10+2 o'clock is not nearly as effective to increase twist stability, though on some frames it really fits well. It's because twist weight is proportional to the square of the distance from the axis going through the handle. Math says that if you place mass on the outer side of 3+9 o'clock, you have roughly 15% twist weight increase compared to placing it on the inside of the frame - for ones wanting the maximum effect with the minimum weight increase, I recommend sticking few layers of a bumper tape on the outside (like gamma, plain black), then just cut the strip in the middle to free the grommet holes from stringing. On some racquets it doesn't look bad, but the point is in effectiveness. Anyway, I recommend all existing to 3+9 o'clock, then balance the sweet spot (and make it wider too) with 12 o'clock (or 11-1 o'clock) to change what's happening currently. Top of the grip counterbalance should be twice the 12 o'clock lead tape, 3+9 o'clock counterbalance is with half the mass at the butt, however that's just compensation of stock balance without additional intervention. Lead at the throat compensates the swing just as top of the grip lead, but doesn't compensate the balance equally.
Polarized setup is effective on any stroke providing you do a good job to ensure racquet swings with ease and evenly. It's about counterbalancing the swing, the 12 o'clock and the top of the handle/throat area are changing things the most when it comes to swing, but in a different direction. So if you start from the frame which swings nicely it's about counterbalancing the influence on the swing. 3+9 o'clock lead is neutral as can be on the swing (nothing is really neutral, but in the realm of possible), providing TW doesn't increase too much but it's about quantity you put there and a personal preferrence.
My recipe is following: counterbalance the 3+9 o'clock mass with half the mass at the butt - it compensate the balance fully and both has minimal influence on the swing. Counterbalance the 12 o'clock mass with twice the mass at the top of the handle - it compensates the balance fully and the swing almost fully - perhaps another half the gram or one additional gram at the top of the handle will be needed for a full swing compensation (+0.5 gram for 1-2 grams at 12 o'clock, +1 gram for 3-4 grams put at 12 o'clock, might be needed for full swing compensation, says the math).
Do you have to add lead at 12 to increase stability or is it enough to add just at 3+9?
6g in butcap surprised me the most as It made racquet feel really soft
Did the 6g in the buttcap make the racquet more solid?Few more wall impressions.
This thing takes lead EXTREMELY well.
I tried just adding 6grams in different locations and results are amazing I feel that it transforms this stick.
I tried 3 gr at 12 and 3gr just above the handle
6g at 3 and 9
6g in butcap
And all were great for certain type of player
6g in butcap surprised me the most as It made racquet feel really soft
Those are two different (and complementary) aspects (different axis') of stability. One is stability agains twisting (twist weight) the other is stability regarding recoil (recoil weight). 3+9 o'clock lead increases twist stability, while 12 o'clock lead plus tailweighting increases recoil weight.
It has similar effect on variety of racquets. Increases recoil weight significantly which is responsible a lot for comfort.
Exact.Ok, so to increase twistweight its ok just to add lead at 3+9 and nowhere else? I dont neccessary have to add lead at 12?
If I had to guess, most of these thread fall into these categories:Just an observation (long rant really), but, why are a bunch of people that has no interest in that frame feel the need to express how this frame is not a good frame?
It might just be me, in fact it is 100% me the problem I would guess. Maybe I should go spend some time on the new Babolat frames and express how stiff these frames are and why they suck. Or maybe go on the RF97A threads and complain about the heavy weight, lack of maneuvrability, stiffness and how RF doesn't even play that frame. Or any other racquet thread really and just complain why it is not good for me, like anybody cares... People really do that?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but for those of us that have been waiting for low stiffness, foam filled, 18x20 platform frame, this is pretty much the only frame in its class today. Countless trolls won't change that. In fact, I think trolls should at least wait to demo it before dissing it. I mean, what credibility you guys think you have?
You want a stiff, open string pattern frame? You can open just about any other thread in this sub forum and you'll be served.
Finally, complaining about Monfils as the pro on the freaking cardboard endorsing it? Come on, guy is top 20, has reach top 6. It's not like you can pick a #1 player for every single frame a company puts out. Plus, if this is in fact a H19 mould, it's the frame he has been playing with all his time with Wilson.
Finally, he might not be #1 player or won numerous slams, but that guy is an artist on a tennis court. I'll just put this in here...
Exact.
What're people stringing with? I think the racket would take thinner guage strings really well with the tight pattern. I use Revolution 18g in my PT630 to good power/spin since i'm not a string breaker. I'm trying Hyper-G next in my PT630.
Haven't hopped on the UTour train yet since i want the price to drop a bit but I want another blue racket @_@
Would 2g at each side at 3 + 9 be enough to feel any difference? And will it affect the balance drastically?
Would 2g at each side at 3 + 9 be enough to feel any difference? And will it affect the balance drastically?
I Dont get it. Why don't people just add a whole lot of weight at 3+9 to get a higher twist rate? What is the downsides?
YES! i canCan anyone say how this plays compared to Djokovic's racquet?
Details dawg.YES! i can
I Dont get it. Why don't people just add a whole lot of weight at 3+9 to get a higher twist rate? What is the downsides?
im just messin ... i couldnt even lift djoker's racquet off the ground. do have an ultra tour on the way though. as i noted above (somewhere), i hit with a demo and it seemed very light and low-powered. it would need a mile of lead tape to get up to the weight of djoker's rad.Details dawg.
I see. No problem.im just messin ... i couldnt even lift djoker's racquet off the ground. do have an ultra tour on the way though. as i noted above (somewhere), i hit with a demo and it seemed very light and low-powered. it would need a mile of lead tape to get up to the weight of djoker's rad.
That's 4 grams total at 3+9 o'clock, that certainly makes a difference.
And would affect the balance... I would add weight at 7" above butt cap as well to keep the balance... and personally, at 12 o'clock to pull the sweetspot higher and ensure it isn't dead at the top of the hoop...
My H19 has around a 345 strung SW without any lead tape.
Are you 100% sure there's no lead tape under the bumper guard grommet on your H19 pro stock?
Because SW at 345 sounds hardly as a pro stock platform swing weight...I don't say it's impossible but sounds too much for a platform...
My H22's came at 355 sw strung
We're not talking about the same thing.
It's no wonder if pro stock sold at the net come already customized to player's specs.
And the only way to be sure whether there's lead under the grommet is to actually take it off.
It was not customized, it came as a platform. No lead in the hoop (I took the bumper off) and only a small amount of silicone in the butt of one. It was 305g unstrung and 325g strung before my customization
355 SW strung in its stock manufacturing form? Incredible...
I pulled off the grommets in an unstrung Ultra Tour to take a look at the hoop through the drill holes. The hoop seems to be filled with something.
355 SW strung in its stock manufacturing form? Incredible...
Is it a greey-yellow foam? Maybe the whole racquet IS foam filled.
It's pretty easy to see in good lighting if you pull the grommets. I'll check whichever Ultra I get on the playtest.
355 SW strung in its stock manufacturing form? Incredible...
Is it a greey-yellow foam? Maybe the whole racquet IS foam filled.
I thought the H19/22 pro stocks came quite head heavy before customisation which would make a high inital SW, given the static weight.
One reason i was never too keen to try them.