Carreau
Semi-Pro
I'm in Karachi and leaving today (only few days here). Thank you for trying to help me!
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I'm in Karachi and leaving today (only few days here). Thank you for trying to help me!
paulie-japan
Rookie
I own 3 TC90 Custom frames at 335g 305mm balance and 2 TC90 Custom frames at 344g 305mm balance.
Cyclone works great in my 16*19 tc97. But it fades very quickly. Lyon was playable much longer but didn't have that bite (is that what you mean by launch angle?). So was thinking that maybe just maybe combining the two would give me best of both worlds. But then again maybe will get worst of both. I guess no other way but to try out
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joohan
Guest
I don't think shaped or not shaped has much to do with predictability. Judging by YPTS vs Silverstring in my TC100, it's about inherent qualities of the string per se. But did not try that many strings to be certain.
zalive
Hall of Fame
Launch angle is the angle of ball elevation off the string bed. Its predictability is how launch angle varies related to string bed's inherent variance, and player can see the difference in launch angle predictability judging by his ability to place a precise height of a ball trajectory. Less predictable string bed make this a harder task because launch angle varies more.
My experience is that open patterns plus shaped string beds can make it less consistent. I don't see trouble at 18x20 though, and even PS97s 18x17 was predictable to me with a shaped poly. But I got bad experience with some open 100'' or 100+'' and a shaped poly.
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joohan
Guest
I understand. Well...Poly Tour Spin is in pole position to become a string of choice for my TC100s. My other TC100 is at my stringer to be strung with RS Lyon but it would have to be an extremely good experience to knock the YPTS down.
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joohan
Guest
Never tried Cyclone so can't really comment. YPTS is quite low powered, very precise and holds tension very well. All appealing to me. On the other hand - it's quite muted/borderline dull but it does not bother me. I play with TC100 because I'm playing on clay against very good clay courters and it gives me the weapons I need. If I'll crave more feel and touch, I'll pull Fischer Vacuum Mid with black Fairway and gut/poly out of my bag (and eventually lose the match).
interesting, have never noticed too much power in cyclone (and my tension is 20kgs)
i like it when it's fresh but 'fresh' lasts for several hours only and then it turns into smth strange, don't know how to describe, as if the string was made out of (durable) aluminum
zalive
Hall of Fame
Well, when you pick to play a game with lots of topspin then launch angle predictability becomes less important, as high RPMs are what gives you a larger margin of error. While when you play the game with less topspin it's precision which is more important. You know best what works the best for your game.
Sometimes it's odd though. When I initially got the PS97s from the bay it was strung with Alu Soft. Well this string is stretchy enough and it seems it produced more topspin than Firewire/SPPP string bed at even lower tension, at the same time it was much more powerful. Seems like pocketing and energy return made up and added even more in comparison to extremely shaped poly such as Firewire is. So it's not always as expected, shaped poly is not guaranteed to generate more spin. And as for Alu Soft, all I can say is it's pretty different to any string I use. More lively, more powerful, different string bed response.
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Carreau
Semi-Pro
I would describe it as no snap back at all.
Its boardy as paper book for table tennis.
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joohan
Guest
I will tell you in a couple of days (YPTS vs Lyon both in TC100). Comparing it with RS Lyon in an 18x20 Dunlop Bio 300Tour, it is in the same league for sure, maybe even more so.
topspn
Legend
No, it is not like RS in feel. RS gives more feedback although certainly on the muted side (it is not a crisp feel). YPTS does everything well and as described low powered in even a bit more then RS but it is more of a dull feel.
stephenclown
Professional
Played again with both frames this time spent more time with the TC95.
Pretty sure the Solstice Power is dead in my TC97 its missing what I first had with it, lost a lot of the grip on the ball as well. Probably got 8 hours out of it, could get a little more out of it but not worth risking with the wrist, already feeling super tight. Its well rounded on where I usually hit the ball on closer inspection so it is missing directional control and bite. Great string when fresh, may use smaller guage when I get my own stringer, but I would probably burn through one set a week if my wrist gets better.
Upon switching to my 95 16x19 it was blissful, new Hyper G in it at 46 pounds. This string is unbelievable on the backhand side for topspin and flat. Slice was difficult coming back from the 97. Hit my best backhands again, the more I use this frame the more I like it. Forehands were off and on, higher launch angle and lower control made it difficult. When flattening the ball out also just kept hitting the tape. Really good string, power is about right, would work great in a cross with nat gut as it has great feel.
Next string in the 97 is either gut hybrid mid low 40s or revolution g18 high 30s. 48 with solstice power was too high for dense pattern and too low powered with it.
Pretty sure the Solstice Power is dead in my TC97 its missing what I first had with it, lost a lot of the grip on the ball as well. Probably got 8 hours out of it, could get a little more out of it but not worth risking with the wrist, already feeling super tight. Its well rounded on where I usually hit the ball on closer inspection so it is missing directional control and bite. Great string when fresh, may use smaller guage when I get my own stringer, but I would probably burn through one set a week if my wrist gets better.
Upon switching to my 95 16x19 it was blissful, new Hyper G in it at 46 pounds. This string is unbelievable on the backhand side for topspin and flat. Slice was difficult coming back from the 97. Hit my best backhands again, the more I use this frame the more I like it. Forehands were off and on, higher launch angle and lower control made it difficult. When flattening the ball out also just kept hitting the tape. Really good string, power is about right, would work great in a cross with nat gut as it has great feel.
Next string in the 97 is either gut hybrid mid low 40s or revolution g18 high 30s. 48 with solstice power was too high for dense pattern and too low powered with it.
Gee
Hall of Fame
I tried 2 full poly setups (MSV Focus Hex 19 and WC Silverstring 1.20) at 23/22 kg that were too boardy into my TC97 18x20. At the moment I have a hybrid setup with Head RIP Control 18 (mains) and WC Silverstring 1.20 (crosses) at 23 (m)/21(c) kg that plays amazing into my TC97! Much better feel and a bit more power than the aforementioned full poly setups. I strongly recommend to try this yourself. You'll not be disappointed!
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
I have YPTP/Halo2 hybrid in my TGT291.2 and I like it very much.
thanks
I actually have a pack of each halo string, had completely forgotten. could try to hybrid halo2/halo1
djNEiGht
Legend
I play with the iPrestige as my main when I am in good form. I have the TC97 but in the 18x20.
What are the specs of the TC97?
I would expect the TC97 to probably play with a bit more power, spin, and maybe feel or comfort. Let me know what you think after you get to hit with it.
What strings do you have in the iPrestige and what do you plan to put in the TC97?
GuilhermeG
Rookie
The specs of the TC 97 are:
16/19 Pattern,
4 3/8 grip,
ra 63,
grip b,
Weight 310g,
9pts HL.
I currently use solinco hyper g 1.20 @ 44-48 lbs on my prestiges, but I bought a reel of 1.15 to try. I plan to use the same on the angell.
My prestiges weight around 352g ready to play (strings + leather + og).
Is the listed weight on the angell unstrung? If it's not, I'll probably add some weight.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Yes it is unstrung
GuilhermeG
Rookie
Great. Guess it'll be a winner, then. I estimate it'll be around 332g ready to play. If it's solid enough, I won't have to add weight.
What about the sw on those racquets? Is it the same?
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CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
My 310 racquet is about 339 strung with overgrip and dampener 1.30 poly.
djNEiGht
Legend
Very nice specs
If anything I would suggest going 48-50 with the 1.20 and 50-52 with 1.15. Should be a fast swinging racquet
Someone saying something
New User
It's a wonderful frame! At least from my point of view, it generates more spin than the TC97, which has a flatter trayectory. It has also more potential for power. Touch shots will need a few adjustments as the feel is different. In those aspects, apart from feel, perhaps the 16x19 TC97 might have similar results, although I cannot actually assure that.
stephenclown
Professional
I just went back to the 95 16x19 last night, the heaviness of the ball leaves the 18x20 TC97 for dead. The open pattern suits me a lot more I think but the feel of the 97 is unbelievable.
They are probably both the best frames I have ever used. 97 more controlled, 95 more explosive. I will have to practice a lot to be able to hit any kind of flat shot like the 97 on my 95. Fresh solstice power in the 97 was great by the way.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Imagine what a 16x19 TC97 would do? The best of both worlds? I've ordered one and hope to find out soon myself. I've also had great success with Soltice Power 17 but look out when it goes dead........doesn't last too long but I suppose that's the case with most polys.
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Someone saying something
New User
that's what I think! Let's hope that's actually the case. At least I played for a few years with a Head Radical MP with a 18x20 pattern and it's quite similar to the TC97 (of course the TC97 is like the perfect Radical with a thousand times more stability), so I guess the 16x19 should have the same feel with an open pattern.
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Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I think I read somewhere on this thread that the TC97 16x19 is a different layup to the TC97 18x20... so they actually play differently... could be wrong... too many pages to remember... maybe Paul could clarify this point...
stephenclown
Professional
Yeah I felt a huge difference last night, the ball stops gripping on the strings and the movement is heavily reduced when rounded, becomes harsh on my wrist. Solstice 18 is meant to be better, that might be worth a go. Man you can tell almost immediately when this goes dead, I nearly killed the person on the net like 4 times before I switched racquets.
I am hoping to get a 16x19 TC97 as well, but I might not live long enough to use it if my girlfriend finds out. Vsbabolat informed me that he thought the 16x19 was more crisp and not quite as plush, so I may string it high a few times to soften it up if I agree. I would think it should be the closest to Andy Murrays 16x19 PT57A2. Fewer strings maybe stiffen up the frame on hit a little bit as per vababolats experience and this probably wouldn't be as obvious on Andy Murrays frame as it is roughly 57 RA compared to low 60's on the TC97.
stephenclown
Professional
Hi, I had the exact same issue with the previous pages on the forum here where there was a definitive stance that they were different. I checked with Paul regarding this just the other day and his response was:
Now as stated above, VSBab says they are slightly different, possibly due to fewer strings creating a different feel. Or his frames may have just had slight variances anyway. Hard to tell but the 16x19 is intriguing to say the least.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Thanks for that... bought the 18x20 on the basis it was stated as different, otherwise would have gone 16x19 as I have a PT630 and Radical Tour 630's (all varieties)... of well. Maybe I'll get the 16x19 at some point... eager to hear of anyone that has it and how they find it...
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Normally, a more open string pattern would be more powerful, less stiff (hence more comfortable), provide more spin, higher trajectory but the downside is less accuracy. I can verify these findings from my own experience hitting with many different string patterns. One of the reasons why 16x19 is my favorite string pattern is because it's less stiff than a denser pattern such as 18x20. However, I suppose it's possible that the flex in the TC97 18x20 pattern might be more pronounced? One of the reasons why I think the RF Autograph is such a great racquet is because for a 16x19 string pattern it has great ability to flatten out on shots yet also hit tremendous topspin both with accuracy. My hope is that the TC97 16x19 will duplicate the shot making ability of the RF yet be more arm friendly due to the flex in the head and overall construction of the Angell frame. I'm not expecting the TC97 to be as stable as the RF racquet but will be pleasantly surprised it it's close.
stephenclown
Professional
I did the same, but also wanted to see the 18x20 as I dont have a PT630 haha. I hope someone comes back with some more information on how it feels compared to the 18x20. The 16x19 TC95 is an outstanding frame for heavy hitting.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
You've hit the nail on the head Tribesmen. Also, in my experience, if one finds that the 16x19 string pattern is too lively this can be remedied by going with a lower power poly string set up.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
I might add that I'm very pleased to say that I was able to pick up a used, but excellent condition custom TC97 16x19 320/310mm that I should have in the next few days. This is the slow boat way to "demo" an Angell racquet without costing too much. That being said, I also have a brand new TC100 63RA on order. I know I'm gonna love the TC100 but not sure about the TC97. Best case is I keep both in my bag
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Yeah, the TC95 may also be an option as it is different and has a lower RA... I also have the Tec 315 Limited 16M... so that could be my PT57A2 Murray attempt... One thing is for sure... I feel lucky to have all the options...
stephenclown
Professional
The Tec 315 Ltd 16m is an interesting frame, I haven't hit with it but seems like I would enjoy it.
Only difference is that the 95 feels more like a dunlop and the 97 as a box beam mimics the head feel. Not sure which I would prefer without trying the 16m TC97. I have a feeling it will still be the TC95, they have identical string patterns so I can't see the TC97 16m not hitting a heavy ball, but it would probably lack a bit of the power...
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
They felt/played completely differently to me.
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BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
They feel different in play, but that’s true of any 16x19 vs. 18x20 comparison
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