If we were playing for money, which I did for 15 years, $5 a game to 21, every weekend. I expect to play as if we were playing for money.
"Practicing" during a match
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If we were playing for money, which I did for 15 years, $5 a game to 21, every weekend. I expect to play as if we were playing for money.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
If you guys are winning why the bunched up panties? If Maximagq would always double I wouldnt be complaining. Its really ironic you guys are upset at the guy practicing because you cant practice.
S&V-not_dead_yet
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My scenario is simpler:
- Start 0-0
- Play
As you said "Like chess, you can only move your own pieces. You cannot decide how the other person play.": this doesn't just apply when the score is even, IMO. It applies all of the time. Play your game and stop trying to dictate how your opponent is playing.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
But does your opponent have the same expectation?
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Yep as I said you cant do it and thats your problem. Really dude get some counciling or some self help to fix your egocentricism
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Yes you are nuts.
Pretty sure you suck at tennis. Players with really developed games do not ridicule players of less skill.
Don't try to argue, try to understand. In boxing you start neutral. Until one boxer advances on the other boxer, one boxer will be backing the other boxer into a corner, one will be on the offense and the other MUST be on the defense, putting his arms up a shield and NOT as a sword.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
So you would enjoy a match where every shot by your opponent was a winner or a fault?
I’ve played those types of matches and never felt I was having fun, win or lose. I felt inconsequential. And I have better things to do with my time than be inconsequential.
There are two types of tennis players that are the least fun to play. Those that take no risk and those that take too much risk. I can do without either in a social setting. In a tournament, you take all comers. In social play, if you want to get invited back, get your risk/reward balance sorted out.
S&V-not_dead_yet
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Possibly relevant in boxing; not very relevant in tennis. Whether I'm down or up in score, I can always mentally reset and play the next point independently of the previous ones. Coaches always advise to have a short memory. You can't do that in boxing [during a round, not between] because what happens next is affected by what happened previously: if my opponent just landed a solid left hook, my options are different than if the situations were reversed. Whether I just won or lost the previous tennis point doesn't impact what my options are for the next point [although it may sway my decision-making if tactic X has been working well or not very well].
S&V-not_dead_yet
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I agree that the MBB [Mindless Ball Basher] is no fun because it's mostly a ball retrieval exercise rather than tennis.
However, against the no-risk player I can practice my controlled aggression, a skill I need even when playing an aggressive player [because I will get the occasional weak reply].
Winning/losing is not the same as inconsequential, IMO. Inconsequential means you had no role in the outcome. If you play against a no-risker, OTOH, you not only have a role, you are the primary determinant of the outcome [whether you can control the point and convert].
The only way I could feel inconsequential against a no-risker is if I was so good at punishing his shots that it took no effort. And I'm not that good.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Yes. If its a social setting and the guy is working on something yeah would t bother me especially if I was dumb enough to ask him and found out he was practicing. I would have told him the best way to practice his 2nd serves would be to just hit one serve. Only one serve and he would lose the point if it was out. It would have been much better than what the OP did.
If it was a league then the more doubles the better.
Feeling inconsequential and being inconsequential are 2 different things.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Points to 21 for $5 is not tennis. Lmao.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Ping pong. Chess. Tennis. All bent out of shape. I'm hoping you are not Asian. I am Asian. And if you are you are giving us a bad name. The last crazy Asian guy had a 360 spin serve.
S&V-not_dead_yet
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rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Shroud can hit 360 spin serve? Impressive using 100lbs racket.
I can see two sides to this. Double first servers are very annoying, they either implode or get lucky and wins loads of points. You don't feel like you influence the game.
However I have been doing something similar to the guy the OP played. In grey old England we have just switched from indoors to outdoors. Shouldn't make that much difference, but it turns every match into a prod-a-thon. Virtually everyone has lost their timing, can't generate any pace and the play becomes a joke.
I was determined not to do that this year, so I have been deliberately being going for my shots, including the serve. Not much fun for the first few people I played, but I managed to find my timing and I am getting some pace again.
If you never try to hit the ball in a match and always conservatively prod the ball; you'ill never improve.
However I have been doing something similar to the guy the OP played. In grey old England we have just switched from indoors to outdoors. Shouldn't make that much difference, but it turns every match into a prod-a-thon. Virtually everyone has lost their timing, can't generate any pace and the play becomes a joke.
I was determined not to do that this year, so I have been deliberately being going for my shots, including the serve. Not much fun for the first few people I played, but I managed to find my timing and I am getting some pace again.
If you never try to hit the ball in a match and always conservatively prod the ball; you'ill never improve.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Congratulations on checking
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I'm pretty sure you know why he quit. Surely you cannot be that clueless.
I'm a chess player, 90% of the time, I already know the answer. I just pretend I don't know to see what happens. I posted up his Elo rating, 1391 (1500 is the set average). My very educated guess is that he doesn't want to see his rating up (I have heard a member told me, "People don't want to see their ratings up.)
Very good. Correct, I'm not clueless.
- Him: I want to hit normally. I'm sorry.
- Me: How is my club not normal?
- Him: I need to make an allowance. I want to hit stronger.
- Me: You WANT to hit stronger. You NEED to hit in the box. What you want and what you need are two different things.
- Him: So I left there. That's it.
- Me: Come to an event this Tuesday.
- Him: For what? I will hithard even if I lost game.
- Me: Or you learn control. Control is more important than power.
- Me: Like a gun, it doesn't matter how powerful is the gun, if you miss.
- Him: I know. So I will practice.
- Me: Practice with us. Practice control that is.
- Him: I want to practice how to control when I hit hard. So I hit hard, even if I lost a point.
- Me: Control comes first. You have to take baby steps. That's how you learn. That's how I learn.
- Me: Up to you. You can learn control here or on your own. [my name].
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't call him "Shirley".
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
You were asked to leave 2 MeetUp groups because you want to play with 2 racquets simultaneously.
A guy leaves your MeetUp group after only one try because you feel the need to dictate how he plays.
Another guy expresses that members don't like it when you post ratings and you go ahead and post ratings.
Can you see what the common denominator is?
The soap opera most apropos is "As the World Turns [Around LGQ7]".
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Never bet against the clueless
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Damn that guy still talked to you after that crap at the net? That guy is a saint. Good people are hard to find.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Huh??? The OP imposes his imaginary rule of "must get it in the box or else it is disrespectful to me " and then he plays with 2 rackets? lol
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FiReFTW
Legend
There are all types of players, and the ones you mention here also exist.
I enjoy playing against a variety of different opponents.
And playing crazy ballbashers like you mention is usually an easy win, since they make a ton of errors, specially if you mix up your spins and speeds and slice inbetween.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Omg...
I feel like one of the most important aspects of playing good tennis is learning to deal with and adapt to the weird stuff some people do whether it's on purpose gamesmanship, or just because they're weird. And if you are playing games and keeping track of the score you should play within the rules. So as long as it's within the rules you let the other guy play however he wants. That means having to deal with all sorts of boring players, or angry players, or reckless players, or whatever. You develop the mental skills to go to whatever place in your mind you need to go to to compete with the other player. If you happen to get paired up against someone who is going to double fault service games away then that's a good time to work on some new tricks with your own serve. Try for some crazy angles or weird spin, or whatever. Serve and volley on fluff ball serves just for volley practice. Figure out some way to make the most of the situation. Please don't be a whiner or complainer. We got enough of those already.
Perfect.
The fact that you won the first 5 points puts your opponent in a situation to try something different to win. It's completely UPTO him how to play -risky, safe, consistent, junk balling - that's his freedom. You don't DICTATE his mind or decision.
Suppose we were playing for money, $5 a game to 21?
He did the same thing, double faulted on two hard serves when it's his turn to serve again.
It's a dance for 2. One has influence over the other.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
This reminds me of the guys that drive under the speed limit and knowingly block the general flow of things just so they feel good when they get some chances to pull up to people at an upcoming light and justify their lives.
This really happened recently. I was a passenger in the car. From behind, TWO cars sped up from both sides, passed the car I'm in and came back to the lane. Both cars almost collided with each other. They separated at the last second. It could have been at least a 3 car collision.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
And how did that make you feel?
Same as you would feel.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
That's fortunate
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Actually I was only referring to matches with mindless ball bashers as being inconsequential.
The no risk pusher at my level just hits lobs and moon balls and while I can defeat them, it’s not as much fun. It was a challenge at first. Now it’s tedious. But certainly I’m not inconsequential. In fact it’s all on my racket since they take no chances.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I agree that crazy ball bashers are an easy win. But I’ve rarely done anything except put a few serves in to cause that defeat. I might was well not be there as I’m just a glorified ball retriever for the most part. Easy win. Not fun.
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i actually like this idea alot... i might modify the rules slightly....
ie. if the score is 2-6 (or worse), the loser pays for court time, or some small bet, like $5-10 a set (or whatever both folks agree to)
to me, if i'm getting crushed by someone, then I've "paid" for a cheap lesson, and don't mind paying up.
similarly gives better players "something for their time", and/or encourages weaker players to take a really good honest look at their game.
the only issue, is that line calls are bad without "anything on the line", i'd imagine cheating goes up 10x fold with even a little money on the line.
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i disagree, he is the best 2 racquet player on the forum
too bad it's not good enough to compete with most of the 1 racquet players on the forum
Morch Us
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Agree. But "cheating" is a strong word. I would say "seeing the things the way they want to see it". Yea, I still believe in people to be trustworthy, and tend to think a really good percentage of bad line calls from my opponents are caused by their mind cheating them (seeing things the way the mind want to see it). Tiredness, Laziness, Money all will cause the mind to alter what it want to see.
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it's pretty black and white to me.... if you don't see it *clearly* out, it's in.
so that means there's no way that a ball on the other side of your court - ie. i'm on the far ad side, and opponent hits dtl to the deuce side - that i can be *sure* the ball is out, unless the ball is at least 4in out. instead, what most people do, is see a ball that was close (ie. could've caught the outside of the line), but because it wasn't *clearly* on the line, it was probably out, therefore it was out.
yeah, that's cheating
