Two Handed Forehand-the Future of Tennis !!!

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Gregory Diamond

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I know that players with a disabled one hand dont agree with the title of this thread.

I can prove that I am right. My right wrist is injured. I wouldnt be able to play tennis using one handed forehand. I do it only when the ball is not within the reach of two handed forehand. But using two handed forehand I can compete with the best players in my country. I lost in the final of national championships last year in my category.

Players using two handed forehand can play one handed too. But I dont know any player who uses two handed forehand who would choose one handed forehand if the ball was within the reach of two handed.
Why ? How do you think ?

 
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mhkeuns

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I have a hitting buddy who inured his right wrist. He realized that he wasn’t going to be able to play the same. He just switched to his left side, and after about a year, he is able to play competitive again. He has ohbh.
 
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robin1982

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Really.. You do know that you have limited reach with a 2 handed forehand, less power often ( shorter swing) you really have to got a superfast footwork to get in position on time..
Seles and Santoro were exceptions, and people didnt hit the ball so hard as now. A great guy like Reamon Sluiter ( i know him personal) didnt make it to the top because of all this.
Nuff said..


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mcs1970

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Gregory Diamond said:
Players using two handed forehand can play one handed too. But I dont know any player who uses two handed forehand who would choose one handed forehand if the ball was within the reach of two handed.
Why ? How do you think ?]
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Why would guys who have a strong 1hfh not convert to a 2hfh? Because they're smart. Glad that your 2hfh is working for you. Stop peddling it as something radical though.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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robin1982 said:
Really.. You do know that you have limited reach with a 2 handed forehand, less power often ( shorter swing) you really have to got a superfast footwork to get in position on time..
Seles and Santoro were exceptions, and people didnt hit the ball so hard as now. A great guy like Reamon Sluiter ( i know him personal) didnt make it to the top because of all this.
Nuff said..


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Everything you said about two handed forehand could be said about two handed backhand. As you know most professionals use two handed backhand.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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mcs1970 said:
Why would guys who have a strong 1hfh not convert to a 2hfh? Because they're smart. Glad that your 2hfh is working for you. Stop peddling it as something radical though.
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And why guys who play two handed forehand dont use one handed when they can use two hands ? Do you think that they want to lose the match ?
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
Everything you said about two handed forehand could be said about two handed backhand. As you know most professionals use two handed backhand.
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Faulty argument. You are comparing apples (FH) to oranges (BH). Instead you need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Which is a better orange (BH)? For most people: 2hbh > 1hbh

Which is a better apple (FH)? For the entire tennis universe except for Diamond: 1hfh > 2hfh
 
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Gregory Diamond

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TenFanLA said:
Faulty argument. You are comparing apples (FH) to oranges (BH). Instead you need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Which is a better orange (BH)? For most people: 2hbh > 1hbh

Which is a better apple (FH)? For the entire tennis universe except for Diamond: 1hfh > 2hfh
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You can be sure that two handed forehand is much better than two handed backhand. I play both so I know.
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
If you use only one hand your other hand must be disabled.
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But you use two and one of yours is disabled. I use one on my forehand and my upper extremities are fine.

Seems to my unscientific brain's extrapolating ability that using two hands leads to injury
 
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Gregory Diamond

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Daniel-San said:
But you use two and one of yours is disabled. I use one on my forehand and my upper extremities are fine.

Seems to my unscientific brain's extrapolating ability that using two hands leads to injury
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No. Two handed forehand can even heal your wounds. 10 years ago I wanted to find out if I can play one handed forehand. Tennis elbow and once more the injury of the wrist were the only results. Two handed forehand helped me overcome these injuries.
 
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robin1982

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Gregory Diamond said:
You just cant prove your point.
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No thats not the point. You dont get it. If what you say is true, every pro would do it!!! But they dont. Both forehand and backhand with 2 hands put you out of reach after long rallys. You miss time and reach. With 1 handed forehand you make that good what you miss at your doublehanded backhand! Just space and time, but both strokes with 2 hands you miss that. You cant make that good every time!!
With the forehand your strikearm and racket is at the same side. Thats way longer ( when you reach out) than if you would do that with 2 hands!!
You can play good with 2 hands, till a certain level unless your very fast, good and skilled. If your not? Then you are limited..
I see it often at the training ( im a high level coach and train a lot of good national children) but its obvious.. I use doublehanded forehand and backhand a lot with some excersises because you use your hip and shoulder better with your turn. They feel that and you it with their normal strokes. But what you say is absolute not correct.
I played after a hugh shoulderinjury for a year a 2 handend forehand and backhand, but boy I was so happy when i could use my 1 handend forehand and backhand again! More relaxing, easier swing and follow through.
And its a fact when you play a singlehanded backhand, you create a stronger wrist and get better volleys and smashes and service( if they teach it right to you).


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1. Two-handed forehands and backhands are always performed as active strokes. It is a scientifically proven fact that the most optimal use of conservation laws in kinematic chains requires inertial motions.

2. Two-handed strokes enforce the use of biomechanically non-optimal grips. As a result, they are responsible for many injuries (wrists, back etc.).

3. Two-handed strokes are typical for players that are not well educated: usually, they are not all-courters, their slices are weak and they suck at the net.

4. It is a statistically proven fact that players using one-handed backhands are more dangerous and significantly more successful than two-handers.

5. Today, a bad reputation of one-handed backhands is mainly a product of the extremely low level of technical education of modern coaches, and a result of more than 20 years of Bollettieri marketing.

6. Inertial topspin backhands are so natural that they are the easiest inertial strokes to learn.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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robin1982 said:
No thats not the point. You dont get it. If what you say is true, every pro would do it!!! But they dont. Both forehand and backhand with 2 hands put you out of reach after long rallys. You miss time and reach. With 1 handed forehand you make that good what you miss at your doublehanded backhand! Just space and time, but both strokes with 2 hands you miss that. You cant make that good every time!!
With the forehand your strikearm and racket is at the same side. Thats way longer ( when you reach out) than if you would do that with 2 hands!!
You can play good with 2 hands, till a certain level unless your very fast, good and skilled. If your not? Then you are limited..
I see it often at the training ( im a high level coach and train a lot of good national children) but its obvious.. I use doublehanded forehand and backhand a lot with some excersises because you use your hip and shoulder better with your turn. They feel that and you it with their normal strokes. But what you say is absolute not correct.
I played after a hugh shoulderinjury for a year a 2 handend forehand and backhand, but boy I was so happy when i could use my 1 handend forehand and backhand again! More relaxing, easier swing and follow through.
And its a fact when you play a singlehanded backhand, you create a stronger wrist and get better volleys and smashes and service( if they teach it right to you).


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Shortened reach is obvious but it is not a great problem because you can hit the ball on the rise and you can generate great angles. You also can hide the direction of your stroke to the last moment. Two handed forehand is excellent when you try to return fast serves.
 
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robin1982

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Gregory Diamond said:
Shortened reach is obvious but it is not a great problem because you can hit the ball on the rise and you can generate great angles. You also can hide the direction of your stroke to the last moment. Two handed forehand is excellent when you try to return fast serves.
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You clearly miss all the other points...
And In a long ralley with angles it is a great problem.. And also with returns down the line at your service..
You just dont want to see it. You want to make your point without looking to reality.
I can hide my direction with one hand also.. And can make better angles because my contact point is more in front of me! And yes you can hit the ball on the rise, if you can make it to the ball after long ralleys, because of shorter reach with EVERY point!
Good luck. Your just annoying


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jch

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Gregory Diamond said:
I have an injured right wrist so if it was true now I wouldnt play tennis. Several days ago I beat #93 player in the world in ITF tournament. He was the champion of my country two years ago. Two handed forehand was the main reason.
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You prefer old amateurs, I prefer 30-years younger players ranked in national Top50.

Good luck.
 
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robin1982

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Gregory Diamond said:
I have an injured right wrist so if it was true now I wouldnt play tennis. Several days ago I beat #93 player in the world in ITF tournament. He was the champion of my country two years ago. Two handed forehand was the main reason.
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Which ITF tournament? And what is your name?


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Gregory Diamond

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robin1982 said:
You clearly miss all the other points...
And In a long ralley with angles it is a great problem.. And also with returns down the line at your service..
You just dont want to see it. You want to make your point without looking to reality.
Good luck. Your just annoying


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I am the master of long rallies. In long rallies two handed forehand is a problem...for my opponent.
 
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zaph

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So to sum up, injury has forced you to switch to two hands on the forehand and you are now desperately trying to convince yourself that it is in fact an advantage. Ignoring the fact that virtually every top player users a one handed forehand and the greatest forehands the game has ever seen are one handed.

You mention the two handed backhand, a shot I use, but I only use it, because I am physically weaker off that side. I need the extra hand to stabilise the shot and deal with high balls. I don't need that on the forehand side.

I see zero advantage in the two handed shot, most of them are just in your head. Players with one handed forehands have no problem returning serves, finding short angles or doing any of the other things you say are exclusive to the two handed shot. Look at the angles Nadal and Djokovic found in their semi at Wimbledon with one handed forehands.

Are you seriously telling me that Nadal and Federer have weak forehands?
 
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Gregory Diamond

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zaph said:
So to sum up, injury has forced you to switch to two hands on the forehand and you are now desperately trying to convince yourself that it is in fact an advantage. Ignoring the fact that virtually every top player users a one handed forehand and the greatest forehands the game has ever seen are one handed.

You mention the two handed backhand, a shot I use, but I only use it, because I am physically weaker off that side. I need the extra hand to stabilise the shot and deal with high balls. I don't need that on the forehand side.

I see zero advantage in the two handed shot, most of them are just in your head. Players with one handed forehands have no problem returning serves, finding short angles or doing any of the other things you say are exclusive to the two handed shot. Look at the angles Nadal and Djokovic found in their semi at Wimbledon with one handed forehands.

Are you seriously telling me that Nadal and Federer have weak forehands?
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Could you imagine what a match it would be if Nadal and Djokovic used two handed forehands ?
 
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zaph

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Gregory Diamond said:
Could you imagine what a match it would be if Nadal and Djokovic used two handed forehands ?
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Yeah, because two players who have won 30 grand slams between them need to change their technique.

Nadal in particular should listen to you, his forehand has only won him 11 French open titles and made his virtually unplayable on clay.

I can imagine what they would like with your style forehand, they would be worse.
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
Could you imagine what a match it would be if Nadal and Djokovic used two handed forehands ?
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Aren’t you concerned that the two handed forehand is not equivalent to the backhand in terms of grip and is therefore creating imbalance? Your grips aren’t the same

Ideally you should be playing with two two handed backhands and changing the grip for each one to avoid “disabling” your body any further
 
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Gregory Diamond

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zaph said:
Yeah, because two players who have won 30 grand slams between them need to change their technique.

Nadal in particular should listen to you, his forehand has only won him 11 French open titles and made his virtually unplayable on clay.

I can imagine what they would like with your style forehand, they would be worse.
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If Nadal can win matches using his not too good forehand then with two handed forehand he would be unstoppable.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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Daniel-San said:
Aren’t you concerned that the two handed forehand is not equivalent to the backhand in terms of grip and is therefore creating imbalance? Your grips aren’t the same

Ideally you should be playing with two two handed backhands and changing the grip for each one to avoid “disabling” your body any further
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Hsieh Su Wei plays 2 two handed backhands. Two handed forehand is much better than two handed backhand so it would be stupid to replace it with lefty two handed backhand.
 
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jch

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I am a bit lost. What is better, at least? Two lefty two-handed forehands, two righty two-handed forehands, two lefty two-handed backhands, two righty two-handed backhands, lefty two-handed forehand and lefty two-handed backhand, lefty two-handed forehand and righty two-handed backhand, righty two-handed forehand and lefty two-handed backhand or righty two-handed forehand and righty two-handed backhand?
 
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Gregory Diamond

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jch said:
I am a bit lost. What is better, at least? Two lefty two-handed forehands, two righty two-handed forehands, two lefty two-handed backhands, two righty two-handed backhands, lefty two-handed forehand and lefty two-handed backhand, lefty two-handed forehand and righty two-handed backhand, righty two-handed forehand and lefty two-handed backhand or righty two-handed forehand and righty two-handed backhand?
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Two handed backhand and two handed forehand is the best combination.
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
Hsieh Su Wei plays 2 two handed backhands. Two handed forehand is much better than two handed backhand so it would be stupid to replace it with lefty two handed backhand.
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But the imbalance! You're playing cross handed on one side and not on the other! The disability! Exclamation point!
 
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Gregory Diamond

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Daniel-San said:
But the imbalance! You're playing cross handed on one side and not on the other! The disability! Exclamation point!
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There is no imbalance. Your left hand is in the same place and crossed hands in forehand force you to hit the ball near your body. It shortens the reach but you can use your body to accelerate the ball. I agree that there is no symmetry in two handed forehand and two handed backkhand. Two handed forehand is more similar to one handed forehand than to two handed backhand. That is why you may switch to two handed forehand almost instantly if you can play one handed forehand.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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Gregory Diamond said:
I know that players with a disabled one hand dont agree with the title of this thread.

I can prove that I am right. My right wrist is injured. I wouldnt be able to play tennis using one handed forehand. I do it only when the ball is not within the reach of two handed forehand. But using two handed forehand I can compete with the best players in my country. I lost in the final of national championships last year in my category.

Players using two handed forehand can play one handed too. But I dont know any player who uses two handed forehand who would choose one handed forehand if the ball was within the reach of two handed.
Why ? How do you think ?

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I dont understand you all. Since the beginning of May I have won 6 tournaments and 2 times lost in the final. I have done it with my injured right wrist. If your wrist is not injured then you can win even more tournaments if you play two handed forehand. Why is it important to you to lose matches playing one handed forehand ? I am not wise enough to understand it.
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
There is no imbalance. Your left hand is in the same place and crossed hands in forehand force you to hit the ball near your body. It shortens the reach but you can use your body to accelerate the ball. I agree that there is no symmetry in two handed forehand and two handed backkhand. Two handed forehand is more similar to one handed forehand than to two handed backhand. That is why you may switch to two handed forehand almost instantly if you can play one handed forehand.
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Rethink that and try again. I think we've found a fatal flaw in your method
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
I have an injured right wrist so if it was true now I wouldnt play tennis. Several days ago I beat #93 player in the world in ITF tournament. He was the champion of my country two years ago. Two handed forehand was the main reason.
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You are a UTR 8, a middle of the road 4.5 in the US.

I assume you are weak in doubles so you would probably play 2nd singles on a weak team or 40+ team.

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Gregory Diamond

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Daniel-San said:
Rethink that and try again. I think we've found a fatal flaw in your method
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Most people who tried to learn two handed forehand failed because they tried to play two handed forehand in the same way as two handed backhand. They used left hand not properly. Left hand in two handed forehand shouldnt be too tight. Most of the work is executed by right hand.
 
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Gregory Diamond said:
Two handed backhand and two handed forehand is the best combination.
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If your hitting down the middle. You have an extra step on each side with 2h on both sides. Its alot more work.

Glad its working for you, everyone has a best way to hit.

Gregory Diamond said:
Most people who tried to learn two handed forehand failed because they tried to play two handed forehand in the same way as two handed backhand. They used left hand not properly. Left hand in two handed forehand shouldnt be too tight. Most of the work is executed by right hand.
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Most people who like the 2h fh dont have proper left side prep with a 1h. With proper coil there isnt really an advantage (unless injured like yoursef) for someone to change.
 
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Gregory Diamond

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J011yroger said:
You are a UTR 8, a middle of the road 4.5 in the US.

I assume you are weak in doubles so you would probably play 2nd singles on a weak team or 40+ team.

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I hate playing doubles. I cant remember when I did it last time. My wrist is injured so there is a great problem with my volley. You can be hit in the head when your partner is serving. It is dangerous. I decided that I should play two handed volley. I am going to learn it during a week.
 
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