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FedGR

FedGR

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
They are Wilson's equivalent of the Head PT57A... not the Prestige retail racquets. They are the equivalent in appearance to the Prestige line, but are a Pro Stock racquet and therefore comparable to the Head Pro Stock PT57A racquets.

So are you trying to say that you find the H19 to be 10 times more solid than a PT57A... or a Head Prestige...?
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I've been reading that the H19 is the equivalent of the Prestige line and the H22 of the Radical line. I know that these are pro stocks and cannot be directly compared to a retail racquet. My comparison was solely based on feel.

So yeah, I meant Prestige line, not PT57A. I have a radical tour (I believe it is pt57 mold) but that plays much different, very solid overall as well.
 
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FedGR said:
I've been reading that the H19 is the equivalent of the Prestige line and the H22 of the Radical line. I know that these are pro stocks and cannot be directly compared to a retail racquet. My comparison was solely based on feel.

So yeah, I meant Prestige line, not PT57A. I have a radical tour (I believe it is pt57 mold) but that plays much different, very solid overall as well.
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I think that if you want to compare the H19 with a Head racquet, you need to compare it to the PT630 or Radical Tour (RT) 630. I base this thinking on the fact that the H19 is Wilson's copy of the Head PT57A, and the retail lines that matched the PT57A are the PT630 and the Radical Tour 630 (Bumblebee). The difference between the PT630 and the RT630 were in the SW department (RT630 having a higher SW).

The reason I feel that comparing the H19 to a Prestige racquet is unfair is that the H19 (being Pro Stock) can have weight modifications that will increase its solidity (SW, Sweet spot size, Twist weight, Balance, Silicone in the handle, etc), while the retail Prestige racquet doesn't. Therefore, the only fair way to compare the H19 to a Prestige racquet would be to find out what modifications it (H19) has had and then match them in the Prestige racquet. Then see how they compare. This may prove difficult because Pro Stock racquets start off as Graphite pins that sometimes weigh less than retail models, then get modified to particular specifications. Therefore, getting the identical (matching) specs might be hard.
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

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Imago said:
UT will never match a PT57A.
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Is this a general statement... not even if it's an H19 with identical specs to the PT57A?

Or are we mixing up Pro Stock racquets with retail racquets again? Because then to me, the question is "Can a UT match a Prestige Youtek IG MP if they have identical specs?"
 
Imago

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
Is this a general statement... not even if it's an H19 with identical specs to the PT57A?

Or are we mixing up Pro Stock racquets with retail racquets again? Because then to me, the question is "Can a UT match a Prestige Youtek IG MP if they have identical specs?"
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Retail Ultra Tour and retail Pro Tour 630.
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

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Imago said:
Retail Ultra Tour and retail Pro Tour 630.
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There is no doubt that for me personally, the PT630 is one of the greatest racquets ever made. There are many factors to be considered when making comparisons, and as I don't want to digress this thread further by getting into details and personal opinions, I will just say that I agree.

You can send me a PM and we can chat in more detail about our various opinions and thought processes.
 
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FedGR

FedGR

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
I think that if you want to compare the H19 with a Head racquet, you need to compare it to the PT630 or Radical Tour (RT) 630. I base this thinking on the fact that the H19 is Wilson's copy of the Head PT57A, and the retail lines that matched the PT57A are the PT630 and the Radical Tour 630 (Bumblebee). The difference between the PT630 and the RT630 were in the SW department (RT630 having a higher SW).

The reason I feel that comparing the H19 to a Prestige racquet is unfair is that the H19 (being Pro Stock) can have weight modifications that will increase its solidity (SW, Sweet spot size, Twist weight, Balance, Silicone in the handle, etc), while the retail Prestige racquet doesn't. Therefore, the only fair way to compare the H19 to a Prestige racquet would be to find out what modifications it (H19) has had and then match them in the Prestige racquet. Then see how they compare. This may prove difficult because Pro Stock racquets start off as Graphite pins that sometimes weigh less than retail models, then get modified to particular specifications. Therefore, getting the identical (matching) specs might be hard.
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Thank you for all the info, I appreciate it. I have ordered a H22 and 3 PT630. When I receive them I will have more perspective on the topic.

The reason why I said initially that the H19 seems to be more on par with the Prestige line is that it plays completely different compared to my RT630. They just seem to have very different characteristics.
 
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FedGR said:
Thank you for all the info, I appreciate it. I have ordered a H22 and 3 PT630. When I receive them I will have more perspective on the topic.

The reason why I said initially that the H19 seems to be more on par with the Prestige line is that it plays completely different compared to my RT630. They just seem to have very different characteristics.
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In which way are they different, your H19 and the RT630?
 
FedGR

FedGR

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
In which way are they different, your H19 and the RT630?
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With the H19 I produce TONS of spin even though it's 18x20. With the RT630 I hit a much flatter ball. In terms of feel, I find the H19 to be much softer than the RT630. A friend that played with my RT630 also thought it was a bit too stiff.
 
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FedGR said:
With the H19 I produce TONS of spin even though it's 18x20. With the RT630 I hit a much flatter ball. In terms of feel, I find the H19 to be much softer than the RT630. A friend that played with my RT630 also thought it was a bit too stiff.
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I understand. When it comes to the RT630s, I find that I prefer the Zebra and Candycane to the Bumblebee (which I find to be stiffer, or at least firmer than the other two). It is also the only one of the three that is not Twin Tube. I tend to find I can hit spin with the RT630s, but when I compared my Prestige Youtek IG MP with the Ultra Tour, I too found more spin with the UT. I'm making this comparison because I have never played with an H19 Pro Stock Wilson.

When you receive the PT630 you'll see a different feel. More plush, but a gooey kind of plushness (if that makes sense). The Zebra and Candycane I find are muted and soft but it's more like a thick sponge hitting the ball, whereas the PT630 is more like a thick absorbent rubber matt (if that makes sense). I find that with the PT630 (which is essentially a PT57A2 in 18x20 string pattern) if you don't put in the work and your technique is not good (whether because of fatigue or other factors), the results won't be optimal. It doesn't let you get away with things or be lazy... but the feel and experience when you are on is something special.
 
Phantasm

Phantasm

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
I understand. When it comes to the RT630s, I find that I prefer the Zebra and Candycane to the Bumblebee (which I find to be stiffer, or at least firmer than the other two). It is also the only one of the three that is not Twin Tube. I tend to find I can hit spin with the RT630s, but when I compared my Prestige Youtek IG MP with the Ultra Tour, I too found more spin with the UT. I'm making this comparison because I have never played with an H19 Pro Stock Wilson.

When you receive the PT630 you'll see a different feel. More plush, but a gooey kind of plushness (if that makes sense). The Zebra and Candycane I find are muted and soft but it's more like a thick sponge hitting the ball, whereas the PT630 is more like a thick absorbent rubber matt (if that makes sense). I find that with the PT630 (which is essentially a PT57A2 in 18x20 string pattern) if you don't put in the work and your technique is not good (whether because of fatigue or other factors), the results won't be optimal. It doesn't let you get away with things or be lazy... but the feel and experience when you are on is something special.
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So true about the last statement. The PT630/PT57a and even other pro stocks based on older style frames. You play amazing with it when you're on but if you're not, it won't cover up for any shortcomings like a more modern racket that'll swing lighter and give a little extra free power here and there.
 
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Phantasm said:
So true about the last statement. The PT630/PT57a and even other pro stocks based on older style frames. You play amazing with it when you're on but if you're not, it won't cover up for any shortcomings like a more modern racket that'll swing lighter and give a little extra free power here and there.
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That's where I've found that something like a Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited 18x20 works really well. It's Tecnifibre's copy of the PT57A (it even has a Pro Stock code on the pin under the grip and a Head pallet interchangeable handle), it's lighter and therefore customizable, the weight ends up lower than PT630 stock, and all the characteristics can be enhanced (SW is similar after mods, Sweet spot can be made larger, TW and Recoil weight can be increased, and stability is great). Feel is very comfortable.
 
vsbabolat

vsbabolat

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Phantasm said:
So true about the last statement. The PT630/PT57a and even other pro stocks based on older style frames. You play amazing with it when you're on but if you're not, it won't cover up for any shortcomings like a more modern racket that'll swing lighter and give a little extra free power here and there.
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Its not so much what you're doing with your hand. Its about foot work that makes you play better. Focus on split step, turn, stay low.... Not so much what your doing with your hand/arm.
 
Phantasm

Phantasm

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vsbabolat said:
Its not so much what you're doing with your hand. Its about foot work that makes you play better. Focus on split step, turn, stay low.... Not so much what your doing with your hand/arm.
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that's true. it's more footwork/timing related and getting proper weight transfer. prostocks/older frames usually have more heft/weight compared to a lighter,retail frame so I think there are times that you takeback late or don't generate enough RHS and get jammed causing a ball to land super short or into the net. Whereas a lighter, stiffer frame there are some times you can get away with getting jammed and cover up for your shortcoming.
 
vsbabolat

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Phantasm said:
that's true. it's more footwork/timing related and getting proper weight transfer. prostocks/older frames usually have more heft/weight compared to a lighter,retail frame so I think there are times that you takeback late or don't generate enough RHS and get jammed causing a ball to land super short or into the net. Whereas a lighter, stiffer frame there are some times you can get away with getting jammed and cover up for your shortcoming.
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That’s not true about pro stock frames. It’s a myth They are actually lighter and get customized to what ever you want.
The take back is a myth also. It’s about turning your shoulders and hips. If you do that the racquet magically gets taken back. So just think split step turn
 
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Phantasm

Phantasm

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vsbabolat said:
That’s not true about pro stock frames. It’s a myth They are actually lighter and get customized to what ever you want.
The take back is a myth also. It’s about turning your shoulders and hips. If you do that the racquet magically gets taken back. So just think split step turn
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I understand that prostock hairpins stock are lighter than retail frames in stock form. They will often be customized to be quite hefty though.

Yes you're right that its all starts with footwork, core and timing. There will be plenty of times recreational players will use bad technique or be lazy and just arm the ball though. Then again if you do that, it really doesn't matter what you use, you're not really gonna get away with it in the long run, prostock/woodie/retail or whatever it is you're swinging. I'm plenty guilty of that too sometimes.
 
vsbabolat

vsbabolat

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Phantasm said:
I understand that prostock hairpins stock are lighter than retail frames in stock form. They will often be customized to be quite hefty though.

Yes you're right that its all starts with footwork, core and timing. There will be plenty of times recreational players will use bad technique or be lazy and just arm the ball though. Then again if you do that, it really doesn't matter what you use, you're not really gonna get away with it in the long run, prostock/woodie/retail or whatever it is you're swinging. I'm plenty guilty of that too sometimes.
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You go on that site prostock and most of the frames 12oz and under that he has for sale.
 
Yoneyama

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I got some new arrivals today.

Two Yonex Rexking R-24's in the Japanese Black/Dark Blue/Pink-Red colourway. These things are awesome. A bit scratched up around the tops (no bumper guards on these issues), but I paid 8000yen for the both delivered.

From what I have researched online, there was many colourways for the R-24 and two graphic styles from what I have seen.

Most you will see have vertical 'R-24' text graphics at the throat area. The ones I got have what appears to be the harder to find horizontal graphics and a white graphic trim (far less of these for sale).

These ones are are Black/Dark Blue/Pink-Red, and interestingly with black butt caps...

Theres also Black/Medium Blue/Yellow... Silver-Blue/Dark Blue/Pink-Red... and I even saw some that had predominantly purple highlights.

It's strange how the same racquet model had many different colourways and two different graphic styles, you don't really see that these days unless you consider custom Wilson or Head offerings.

I will be giving these a clean up, restring and regrip shortly. Can't wait to see how they play... not really any specs online r.e. stiffness.

Anyway, here is some pictures.





 
Vlad_C

Vlad_C

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Geoff said:
I have heard a rumor that Roger will finish his career with the current all black paint job. My guess is only Roger knows for sure.
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Wilson will probably have a commemorative special edition PJ ready to be launched the minute he retires.
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

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Geoff said:
I have heard a rumor that Roger will finish his career with the current all black paint job. My guess is only Roger knows for sure.
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Then... there will be the "Goodbye Roger Special Limited, He Won't Come Back... But You Never Know Edition" at a mega price point... Followed by the Australian Open RF Edition, RG RF Limited, Wimbledon RF SW19 LTD... and Finally the US I Did It My Way RF Night Session Special. ;):D
 
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ryze

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Alex78 said:
I don't get to play a lot these days, but when these two lovely lads showed up, I couldn't resist and bought them...
Does anyone still remember the Dunlop AeroGel 300 Tour (16x18)?

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Lovely rackets... Where did you manage to get these? I have been searching for them for ages...
 
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ryze said:
Lovely rackets... Where did you manage to get these? I have been searching for them for ages...
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Thanks! I had been looking for this model for quite some time, too. Found this couple via local ads and couldn‘t believe my luck. Oh, and they play great!
 
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NuBas said:
Paint job actually looks kinda nice.
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Yep, I think so, too. Even if the design of the hoop is actually rather busy.
But - two rather basic design principles that work well (for me) are:
1) Symmetry (I don't even know how all those asymmetric designs have lasted for such a long time already. Totally beats me.)
2) Brand name in white letters against a dark background at 3 and 9 o'clock. You want others to see what brand the racquet is a player is using? Really easy this way and actually gives the stick a "professional" appearance. Also calms a "busy hoop" (see above).
 
NuBas

NuBas

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Alex78 said:
Yep, I think so, too. Even if the design of the hoop is actually rather busy.
But - two rather basic design principles that work well (for me) are:
1) Symmetry (I don't even know how all those asymmetric designs have lasted for such a long time already. Totally beats me.)
2) Brand name in white letters against a dark background at 3 and 9 o'clock. You want others to see what brand the racquet is a player is using? Really easy this way and actually gives the stick a "professional" appearance. Also calms a "busy hoop" (see above).
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I looked at some photos on the bay of it and it does look nice. Kind of reminds me of nCode 90. It is busy at the hoop but somehow it actually works.
Maybe I'm just drawn to aesthetics of box shaped beams, Babolat Pure Control looks like it has similar mold.
 
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