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haqq777

Legend
Yes, will do. I will install Luxilon Elite overgrip (5g) and Diadem dampener (1.5g) once I get racquet back tomorrow morning. Will give static weight tomorrow with strings. I think this might be a good fit for you @recsoares since you mentioned earlier that you like fast, whippy and quick frames. I have a feeling I will have a lot of issues myself with timing tomorrow as this will come strung much lower swingweight than what I am used to. I can feel it. This one swings very light.
@recsoares I just texted my stringer and he told me he is done stringing it up. I won't be able to pick it up till tomorrow but I asked him what the weight of the racquet was as I was curious. He measured it on his kitchen scale and texted me back. It is 331g without any overgrip and dampener. It will end up to 338g with dampner and overgrip as I know the weight of OG and dampner (have used them a lot before).
 

recsoares

Rookie
Yes, will do. I will install Luxilon Elite overgrip (5g) and Diadem dampener (1.5g) once I get racquet back tomorrow morning. Will give static weight tomorrow with strings. I think this might be a good fit for you @recsoares since you mentioned earlier that you like fast, whippy and quick frames. I have a feeling I will have a lot of issues myself with timing tomorrow as this will come strung much lower swingweight than what I am used to. I can feel it. This one swings very light.

Thanks!
Low SW with static strung weight on the 330-335 grs always catchs my attention!
Looking forward to read your thoughts!
Good hitting session for tomorrow!


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recsoares

Rookie
@recsoares I just texted my stringer and he told me he is done stringing it up. I won't be able to pick it up till tomorrow but I asked him what the weight of the racquet was as I was curious. He measured it on his kitchen scale and texted me back. It is 331g without any overgrip and dampener. It will end up to 338g with dampner and overgrip as I know the weight of OG and dampner (have used them a lot before).

Oh,great!
Thanks!
So,do you think the static strung weight could lower with my string setup of TBite 1,15 mains and Wilson Sensation(multifilament) 1,25 on crosses?


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haqq777

Legend
Oh,great!
Thanks!
So,do you think the static strung weight could lower with my string setup of TBite 1,15 mains and Wilson Sensation(multifilament) 1,25 on crosses?


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Yes, maybe a couple of grams less as 17 gauge poly, which I have installed full bed, will be heavier than hybrid of 18 gauge poly in mains and multi in crosses which you use (multi is lighter than poly). But in all honesty, the frame swung light because of low swing weight and head light balance so you won't feel it tiring you.
 

recsoares

Rookie
Yes, maybe a couple of grams less as 17 gauge poly, which I have installed full bed, will be heavier than hybrid of 18 gauge poly in mains and multi in crosses which you use (multi is lighter than poly). But in all honesty, the frame swung light because of low swing weight and head light balance so you won't feel it tiring you.

Great news!
If you have a board,then please tell me balance strung(in points of HL)
Thanks!


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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I haven’t played with K7 Red or TC97 but with the Lime I’m finding that I needed to get used to how fast it swung. On my return of serve I seemed to hit the ball too early. Slowly getting used to it... Looking forward to your review



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Matter of fit, but good for balls fast balls, this ease of mobility is an excellent feature

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galapagos

Hall of Fame
Good thing you liked her. Did you find Lime more like tc95 16x19 or 18x20?

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definitely more like 18x20 :) I also think launch angle is pretty low on lime. perhaps even the lowest from angell lineup...or maybe its the strings :) I think it gives you a nice combo. low launch angle but faster racquet. you really want to brush this ball ;p with tc95 I am more driving through...
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
definitely more like 18x20 :) I also think launch angle is pretty low on lime. perhaps even the lowest from angell lineup...or maybe its the strings :) I think it gives you a nice combo. low launch angle but faster racquet. you really want to brush this ball ;p with tc95 I am more driving through...
This low angle for those who hit the ball flatter is excellent

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
definitely more like 18x20 :) I also think launch angle is pretty low on lime. perhaps even the lowest from angell lineup...or maybe its the strings :) I think it gives you a nice combo. low launch angle but faster racquet. you really want to brush this ball ;p with tc95 I am more driving through...
I have 3 TCs 95 16x19 63 RA. But when I play with players who have a quick hit, I lose a lot of control of the ball. Do you think Lime has much more control than the 16x19 tc95?

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recsoares

Rookie
I saw that you are selling the K7 Red in the TW forum. Did not like the racket?

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Hi,Paulo.
Very confortable frame,but doesn’t fit my game at all...not for me.
No power,very high launch angle(too much).
It’s a control frame and it produces good spin in stock form,but I usually don’t like to customize myself the frames for competition.
I hope K7 Lime can bring more controllable power with the extra 10grs mass.Otherwise,it will not be an option for me too.


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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Hi,Paulo.
Very confortable frame,but doesn’t fit my game at all...not for me.
No power,very high launch angle(too much).
It’s a control frame and it produces good spin in stock form,but I usually don’t like to customize myself the frames for competition.
I hope K7 Lime can bring more controllable power with the extra 10grs mass.Otherwise,it will not be an option for me too.


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K7 Red has even low power. I sold my because of trying to customize, but I gained too much power with no control, except that the L3 grip was too big (use L3 in tc95). If you found the angle high, you'll have to start with the 18x20 versions, because the 16x19 tc97 has an angle similar to the K7 Red and the 16x19 tc95 has even higher angle. I asked for my K7 Lime yesterday, but I have no idea when it will arrive (I live in Brazil)

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recsoares

Rookie
K7 Red has even low power. I sold my because of trying to customize, but I gained too much power with no control, except that the L3 grip was too big (use L3 in tc95). If you found the angle high, you'll have to start with the 18x20 versions, because the 16x19 tc97 has an angle similar to the K7 Red and the 16x19 tc95 has even higher angle. I asked for my K7 Lime yesterday, but I have no idea when it will arrive (I live in Brazil)

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High launch angles was always tricky for me.
I can play with them,but with not the same confidence that a 18x20 gives me in general.
There are exceptions,of course.
But my next frame will be a more tight pattern,no doubt about that.


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galapagos

Hall of Fame
I have 3 TCs 95 16x19 63 RA. But when I play with players who have a quick hit, I lose a lot of control of the ball. Do you think Lime has much more control than the 16x19 tc95?

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Lime definitely has more control than tc95 16x19. It is maybe even most control oriented from Angell lineup. Because it is lighter, faster yet still stable enough. Finesse shots are easier due to maneuverability. With custom you have more power over the ball. Power in general means slightly less control but in some cases you need more power in order to "control" the match... I guess it depends from opponents playstyle, your playystyle or your idea for your game. It seems I like tc95 design no matter the string pattern. I currently like a lot tc 95 18x20, 16x19 and lime... I need more time to figure out which one will be my main stick...

Btw i strung tc95 16x19 with volkl cyclone 1.30 at 24kg and the response was IMO very control oriented. I was scared about the launch angle horror stories around here... I didn't experience that so maybe credits go to the strings.
 

topspn

Legend
This concept of control is getting a bit convoluted. It really should be regarded as your ability to use a certain racquet/setup to play more consistently ergo less unforced errors. In that sense there is no flat out “control” that is the same for everyone. Everyone will perceive the control from the perspective of their playing style and how it enhances their ability to convert into consistency.
 

haqq777

Legend
How do you like it? Is it tacky when fresh and hands are dry?
I like it, but not enough to permanently switch. I do have a bunch of them and plan to keep a few handy. If you put the classic blue Tournagrip on one end and Wilson Pro (or Yonex Supergrap) on the other, these Luxilon Elite Dry come in the middle of the spectrum. They last maybe a little longer than Tourna but less than Wilson Pro. I generally use tacky and spongy overgrips because I like how they sit on leather. I user thinner and less tackier ones on synthetic replacement grips to get that feel.

Attaching a couple of pics for you to see. This was after 1 good heavy hitting session, on indoor courts freshly installed on Lime.

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haqq777

Legend
This concept of control is getting a bit convoluted. It really should be regarded as your ability to use a certain racquet/setup to play more consistently ergo less unforced errors. In that sense there is no flat out “control” that is the same for everyone. Everyone will perceive the control from the perspective of their playing style and how it enhances their ability to convert into consistency.
Bingo. I have an assistant tennis coach I hit with sometimes who insists control for him is how good he can dip the ball inside court and switch sides. Uses a full western and hits with a lot of spin. Has zero inclination for hitting flat point and shoot type of shots. Uses Blade 18x20. The idea of control very greatly varies from person to person.
 

scf

Semi-Pro
I like it, but not enough to permanently switch. I do have a bunch of them and plan to keep a few handy. If you put the classic blue Tournagrip on one end and Wilson Pro (or Yonex Supergrap) on the other, these Luxilon Elite Dry come in the middle of the spectrum. They last maybe a little longer than Tourna but less than Wilson Pro. I generally use tacky and spongy overgrips because I like how they sit on leather. I user thinner and less tackier ones on synthetic replacement grips to get that feel.
Thanks! Is it like tourna? With such paperish look and feel? Tourna and wilson pro are completely different. Tourna is dry and paperish, wilson is tacky and rubber like. From your pics looks like lux is more like tourna.
 

haqq777

Legend
Thanks! Is it like tourna? With such paperish look and feel? Tourna and wilson pro are completely different. Tourna is dry and paperish, wilson is tacky and rubber like. From your pics looks like lux is more like tourna.
Yes, that is why I put Tourna on one end and Wilson Pro on the other and said this Luxilon Elite is smack in the middle. It looks papery like you said, but it is a little bit more tackier, spongier and also a little softer in hand than your standard Tourna. You can feel the tackiness when you take off plastic and feel the surface installing it.
 
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scf

Semi-Pro
Yes, that is why I put Tourna on one end and Wilson Pro on the other and said this Luxilon Elite is smack in the middle. It looks papery like you said, but it is a little bit more tackier, spongier and also a little softer in hand than your standard Tourna. You can feel the tackiness when you take off plastic and feel the surface installing it.
Thanks! Maybe worth a try for me!
 

topspn

Legend
Angell enthusiasts....I've got TE sensitivities.....anyone recommend which angell to play?
They are all extremely comfortable and should help. They just range a bit in flex so may feel even softer in some models such as the K7 red and the TC97 that has a bit more head flex so also felt more soft to me. Again, they are all truly very comfortable.
 

recsoares

Rookie
Angell enthusiasts....I've got TE sensitivities.....anyone recommend which angell to play?

In my opinion, choose a 16x19 pattern!
TC100 and K7 Red are the most confortable from all that I tried.
TC97 only tried 18x20 and definitely is not the most arm friendly,from what I experienced.
The only that I really don’t know is the TC95’s but most of the guys here say that is the ultimate weapon!
The Foam Filled feeling is outstanding in every Custom line.



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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
This concept of control is getting a bit convoluted. It really should be regarded as your ability to use a certain racquet/setup to play more consistently ergo less unforced errors. In that sense there is no flat out “control” that is the same for everyone. Everyone will perceive the control from the perspective of their playing style and how it enhances their ability to convert into consistency.
I agree that the control varies from person to person and style of play. But in a general concept 18x20 rackets have a greater control.

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Jouke

Professional
I like it, but not enough to permanently switch. I do have a bunch of them and plan to keep a few handy. If you put the classic blue Tournagrip on one end and Wilson Pro (or Yonex Supergrap) on the other, these Luxilon Elite Dry come in the middle of the spectrum. They last maybe a little longer than Tourna but less than Wilson Pro. I generally use tacky and spongy overgrips because I like how they sit on leather. I user thinner and less tackier ones on synthetic replacement grips to get that feel.

Attaching a couple of pics for you to see. This was after 1 good heavy hitting session, on indoor courts freshly installed on Lime.

X250l3A.jpg


aNtHCiU.jpg
Holy crap. Thats how mine look after 3 months of hitting. Outdoor! Are you using a too small gripsize, making the racket twist too much?

I do agree these are between Tourna and Wilson Pro Tacky Overgrip. Its a nice Overgrip!
 

haqq777

Legend
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.
 

haqq777

Legend
Holy crap. Thats how mine look after 3 months of hitting. Outdoor! Are you using a too small gripsize, making the racket twist too much?

I do agree these are between Tourna and Wilson Pro Tacky Overgrip. Its a nice Overgrip!
I don't want to sound gross but I usually sweat a lot when I am being outplayed, lol. Actually grip size is bigger than I am used to. It is L3 but felt bigger than your typical Angell L3. Grip wise, I'm in the middle of eastern and semi-western. And I use a OHBH with eastern. I normally go through overgrips pretty quick.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.
Excellent review and comparisons.

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matchpoint9

Rookie
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.

Great review! I've been curious about TC97 but never played with one. How would you characterize volleying between Lime and TC97? From what you describe, Lime sounds firmer (which is what I prefer, I think) than the hoop-flexy TC97? It's been too long since I played with Prestige so I can't relate to what you're talking about when you compared to Prestige.

And how about serving, between Lime and TC97? I'm simply looking for the best Angell frame for doubles. I'm gelling more with my Lime and liking it (now with 6g added weight, still trying to get it to 335sw & 7-8 pts HL so work in progress). Might have to try to get a used TC97 just to put this curiosity behind me :)
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.
I had the tc97 16x19. And she thought she was a slower racket than the tc95 during the swing. With regard to the service I found the K7 Red very easy to take, almost equal to tc95 with less power. I did not like tc97 because I found a lot of power and I did not like the feel.

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drak

Hall of Fame
What about the serve?


served yesterday with the 26.7 inch/11.8 oz TC95, I do not have a big serve and rely on placement, probably a bit less power/spin but consistency seem a bit better. However for the 2nd day groundstrokes and volleys shined, "for me" more power/consistency/depth at this weight balance vs stock frame and FH is now as good with TC95 as was with TC100. BH better as well and volleys too. The shorter frame with higher weight combo in this frame is working well for me, I have experimented with a lot of frames and not always found it so. Easier/relaxed swing is paying dividends and over swinging is one of my "issues" when my timing is not so good which happens a lot more at my age ( 63 but still hangin in there as a 4.5).Will play some competitive dubs tonight and report back. Keep in mind this was a frame I was ready to sell last week
 

haqq777

Legend
Great review! I've been curious about TC97 but never played with one. How would you characterize volleying between Lime and TC97? From what you describe, Lime sounds firmer (which is what I prefer, I think) than the hoop-flexy TC97? It's been too long since I played with Prestige so I can't relate to what you're talking about when you compared to Prestige.

And how about serving, between Lime and TC97? I'm simply looking for the best Angell frame for doubles. I'm gelling more with my Lime and liking it (now with 6g added weight, still trying to get it to 335sw & 7-8 pts HL so work in progress). Might have to try to get a used TC97 just to put this curiosity behind me :)
Thanks.

I am not a very good volleyer (my college coach hated that about my game) and it is definitely a work in progress, but Lime was quick and maneuverable at the net as expected. It is also stable enough for redirecting faster balls. Nothing lacking, in my opinion.

With regards to feedback, it's not exactly firmer, it is just that flex feedback you get upon ball contact is different. You don't feel any one point on the racquet flexing more. If anything, I felt Lime to be a little softer on contact.

Sorry, didn't serve because we just played underhand points and ground strokes rallying. Will report back here when I hit some serves. Angell frames in general serve awesome. I have not played with any Angell frame that I didn't like for serving. You should definitely grab a TC97 and try out just for kicks :)
 

matchpoint9

Rookie
Thanks.

I am not a very good volleyer (my college coach hated that about my game) and it is definitely a work in progress, but Lime was quick and maneuverable at the net as expected. It is also stable enough for redirecting faster balls. Nothing lacking, in my opinion.

With regards to feedback, it's not exactly firmer, it is just that flex feedback you get upon ball contact is different. You don't feel any one point on the racquet flexing more. If anything, I felt Lime to be a little softer on contact.

Sorry, didn't serve because we just played underhand points and ground strokes rallying. Will report back here when I hit some serves. Angell frames in general serve awesome. I have not played with any Angell frame that I didn't like for serving. You should definitely grab a TC97 and try out just for kicks :)

Got it, will consider it....


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haqq777

Legend
I had the tc97 16x19. And she thought she was a slower racket than the tc95 during the swing. With regard to the service I found the K7 Red very easy to take, almost equal to tc95 with less power. I did not like tc97 because I found a lot of power and I did not like the feel.

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Indeed. TC97 has a different feel/feedback than its TC95 or TC100 siblings. Serving with K7 was great, accuracy feel and placement was there. It just lacked power, like you said.
 

recsoares

Rookie
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.

Great review!
This is very useful!
Only one question:Do you consider grip size exactly the same as TCCustom?
I ask that because I could adapt on size L2 of K7 Red,that is different(more thicker) than my TC100...
Thanks a lot @hqq777


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t_pac

Semi-Pro
10pts HL strung seems high, it’s supposed to be that unstrung so should drop to around 7?

You only had an over grip on?
 

haqq777

Legend
Great review!
This is very useful!
Only one question:Do you consider grip size exactly the same as TCCustom?
I ask that because I could adapt on size L2 of K7 Red,that is different(more thicker) than my TC100...
Thanks a lot @hqq777


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You're welcome @recsoares - grip size for Lime is slightly bigger than TC lines.

I used L3 generally and went up a size to L4 for my TC97 because I feel Angell L3 for TC lines runs a little small (a few other guys also feel the same way about grip size). But for Lime, the L3 is true to size. So if you liked your K7 Red grip size, keep that. K7 Lime runs bigger than TC line.
 

haqq777

Legend
10pts HL strung seems high, it’s supposed to be that unstrung so should drop to around 7?

You only had an over grip on?
Yep, just had the overgrip on (5g) and the rubber band on top of grip it comes with. It came to 312 mm. I think @Subaruvich also had a similar balance close to mine once strung, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe I am converting mm into head light points wrong. How many points HL is 312mm?
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
I think your conversion is about right.

That’s waaaay off spec though, mine is 32cm (7pts HL) strung, with 4g OG and 2g in the hoop. Which is pretty much exactly where it should be.
 

topspn

Legend
I agree that the control varies from person to person and style of play. But in a general concept 18x20 rackets have a greater control.

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I don’t agree with that and it is exactly my point. An 18x20 will not benefit everyone with added control. The directional control is nice but i still hit more consistently with my 16x19 TC95 for instance and have more trust in it. I would have preferred 8 mains in the throat but that’s another story. I do agree in general sense that you easily say a TC95 has better control then a pure drive just because one is a very power oriented tweener then again many still use it with high control.
 
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haqq777

Legend
I think your conversion is about right.

That’s waaaay off spec though, mine is 32cm (7pts HL) strung, with 4g OG and 2g in the hoop. Which is pretty much exactly where it should be.
That is interesting. Let me check with previous owner if he changed the replacement grip (it says Angell on it) because I certainly didn't. Perhaps that is what is making the racquet so headlight.
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
That is interesting. Let me check with previous owner if he changed the replacement grip (it says Angell on it) because I certainly didn't. Perhaps that is what is making the racquet so headlight.

Pretty sure the static weight would be higher then though, mine is 340g with the extra 2g at the tip, so it matches yours in that respect.
 

topspn

Legend
Alright, I'm back after a good hitting session with the Lime and here are my collected thoughts. I used it stock with overgrip and dampner, no lead tape or weight anywhere. I will give thoughts on comparison with TC97 (18x20) first as that is my main stick and also K7 Red afterwards.

K7 Lime Strung Specs:
I know a few folk asked about these. Mine weighs 338.2 grams strung up with Hyper-G 17. The balance strung up is 312 mm or 10 points HL. Pretty headlight as I am generally used to 7-7.5 points HL strung in that static weight range.

First Impressions:
Fairly positive. Overall Lime is a stable and comfortable racquet. Power is okay but it definitely could use weight in hoop area. You need full swings for this racquet in stock form but since it is light and whippy, it moves through the air fast so should not be an issue if you like faster moving racquets. Off center hits were not jarring at all and it plays comfortable but it is most definitely not a sub 60 RA racquet, you can tell just by hitting. Low 60s RA is about right although will have to confirm once I have access to RDC. My timing, as expected, was completely off. I would correct myself and hit late to get timing right and then forget about it a few shots later and be early in my swing again. I am sure adding weight will solve it without any issues. I generally play with 330 swingweight. This felt like it was barely 320. Maybe between 315-320.

Comparison with V3 TC97 (18x20):
First comparison is with V3 TC97 (18x20) as I used TC97 as my main stick. I am comparing both racquets in stock form (TC97 is 310 with 9 points HL unstrung) and both racquets with Hyper-G 17. The K7 Lime is more comfortable and has a softer feedback on ball contact, although I have never felt uncomfortable with my TC97. Lime has a lower swingweight when you compare stock versus stock. It is more maneuverable as well and moves through the air quick. Launch angle for Lime is similar to TC97 (18x20). TC97 has more power and plow in stock form even though it is 5 grams less in static weight than stock Lime. I drive the ball more than I brush generally, and really appreciate that about my TC97 racquets. The biggest difference I noted immediately is the feedback and the flex upon ball contact. TC97 has a very clear hoop flex where you can feel racquet flexing in the hoop area upon contact. Very old school ala HEAD Prestige type. By contrast, K7 Lime has more of a uniform flex and not so much of a pronounced head flex. I don't want to compare here with TC95 here either because even though those 'D' beams have a uniform flex, Lime felt different than TC95 or TC100 probably because of much lower power and much lower launch angle. Also, ball sound upon contact. The 'thwack' sound of hitting the ball was absent in K7 Lime. I am guessing that typical Angell TC sound is because of foam filling.

Comparison with K7 Red:
I will be comparing this from memory as I already sold my K7 Red. K7 Red had less power and was definitely more softer and plusher feeling than K7 Lime. I had far greater control with K7 Lime than I had with K7 Red. K7 Red fluttered in stock form on off center hits and was not nearly as stable as K7 Lime. As most of you know, I was not a fan of K7 Red. Even after adding weight it just did not tickle my fancy. K7 Lime on the other hand is something I liked and may work with in the future if I'm in the mood for customization.

My Conclusion:
I could definitely make the K7 Lime work, but with my newish V3 TC97 (18x20) already in rotation, and now that I am finally playing well with them, I think I will wait a while and see how things pan out. No plans of switching just yet because my game will not improve if I switch to Lime and there wwasnt any outstanding enough feature in Lime to make me reconsider my TC97 racquets. But I will give Lime a nod of approval for sure. A superior racquet than K7 Red for my game.
Just a quick question on flex. Do you sense the Lime feels more like and RA64 vs the Red that was too soft to be 64RA
 
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