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When he gets his 2nd serve game back I'll stop.Stop calling him that lol
When he gets his 2nd serve game back I'll stop.Stop calling him that lol
Probably. He's not that good.
Guys Zverev is sick right now. Did you all watch the match with the sound turned down (the commies mentioned it several times).
If we to look for an explaination for his poor result, I think his current illness seems logical.
A long time. He's going to have Murray like career I think.no idea what's wrong with the guy
beats fedovic to win WTF, then crashes out several tournaments in a row
at what point does lendl transform him into a GS winning machine?
Felix has not shown anything yet. He lost the next match against Nishioka (?). Whether Felix is promising or not is yet to be seen. Remember everybody was impressed by Shapovalov or De Miñaur at the beginning and now it is clear none of them are truly promising.Losing to another promising young player looks better though
He's still got plenty of time because noone else is stepping up to dominate the tour.
Hewitt, Roddick and Safin were all better than him by age 21. And they are not ATG.He has 3 M1000s and a WTF at 21.
He has never got the potential to be an ATG. I have my own ATG touchstone for the young guns: winning a slam or beating an ATG convincingly in a slam before you are 21 years old.
Let's count:
Nadal won RG05
Djokovic won AO08
Federer beat Sampras in WC01
Del Potro won USO09 (unfortunately he has been crippled by injury)
Zverev will be 22 at the next slam and has failed my touchstone. He may win a couple slams in the future, but do not expect he to become an ATG.
Not even close.Eh - since when was Zverev gonna become an ATG?
Is he even as good as say, Andy Murray?
Hewitt, Roddick and Safin were all better than him by age 21. And they are not ATG.
Felix has not shown anything yet. He lost the next match against Nishioka (?). Whether Felix is promising or not is yet to be seen. Remember everybody was impressed by Shapovalov or De Miñaur at the beginning and now it is clear none of them are truly promising.
Djokovic won a slam, reached an additional slam final, reached 4 additional slam semis, won 4 masters titles and the WTF by the time he was Zverev's age.1. There would hardly be another player as dominant as Nadal at RG/clay. That is not a fair comparison even for Federer and Djokovic
2. Djokovic won that Slam but didnt win another one till being late 23/24 years. Zverev is still 21.
3. So Federer beating Sampras is better than few Masters, two top 5 year endings + WTF title beating back to back Federer and Djokovic in straights?
4. Del Potro was great
Federer won his first in the year he turned 22 which is this season for Zverev. ATG's dont reach their status in the same manner - some do it earlier, some later. For example, what Wawrinka did post 28 is just out of this world and unseen. Zverev has his own path, like him or not, if healthy he would be in the bigger picture for a very long time.
Zverev has shown everyone the way.I don't think it's that there have been many players who achieved more at a younger age that's the problem so much as the nature of his losses. How do you lose 6 of your first 7 service games in a grand slam match against Milos Raonic?
In related news Mr. Zverev has just applied for the WTA.
They rejected his application on performance grounds
Tsitsipas also lost in the first round and no one is creating a drama of it.
Guys Zverev is sick right now. Did you all watch the match with the sound turned down (the commies mentioned it several times).
If we to look for an explaination for his poor result, I think his current illness seems logical.
Djokovic won a slam, reached an additional slam final, reached 4 additional slam semis, won 4 masters titles and the WTF by the time he was Zverev's age.
It took a while for Djokovic to start dominating. But he was 10 times better than Zverev when he was his age. Zverev can't reach slam semis and apparently not even QF anymore.
Struff is 28 and has possibly already peaked. He is even more inconsistent than Zverev! (I saw him in person 2 years ago, his serve is a cannon!)
yes but he caught fire during the whole match, just watch some highlights
can happen to anyone even big 3 to lose against a top 100 playing out of his mind
IF Zverev wins "its only a Master, he cant win 3/5", if Zverev losses "He cant win even a simple Master match". People just like to complain
He is not. But my touchstone is a necessary, not sufficient condition. It is not easy to cash the talent to be an ATG, but one young gun must show he owns such talent before turning 21 years old. Del Potro showed that in USO09 but got crippled by the injury in his career. For Zverev, I am confident to write him off right now.So, for you, Del Potro is an ATG?
He may not become an ATG, but he could still finish with a Murray-like career in a much weaker era. I won't put him in Murray's league, though.He is not. But my touchstone is a necessary, not sufficient condition. It is not easy to cash the talent to be an ATG, but one young gun must show he owns such talent before turning 21 years old. Del Potro showed that in USO09 but got crippled by the injury in his career. For Zverev, I am confident to write him off right now.
It's true that all ATG players have different career path, but one thing is in common: they all won a slam or had a convincing win against an ATG in slam before turning 21. Young guns are generally not stable, but as a future ATG, the young gun must show that he has high ceiling in the slam for one time, that's enough. If the player fails to show that before turning 21 years old, I must say his ceiling may not be high enough to be a future ATG.1. There would hardly be another player as dominant as Nadal at RG/clay. That is not a fair comparison even for Federer and Djokovic
2. Djokovic won that Slam but didnt win another one till being late 23/24 years. Zverev is still 21.
3. So Federer beating Sampras is better than few Masters, two top 5 year endings + WTF title beating back to back Federer and Djokovic in straights?
4. Del Potro was great
Federer won his first in the year he turned 22 which is this season for Zverev. ATG's dont reach their status in the same manner - some do it earlier, some later. For example, what Wawrinka did post 28 is just out of this world and unseen. Zverev has his own path, like him or not, if healthy he would be in the bigger picture for a very long time.
He looked pathetic today. So weak. Unbelievable.
He is not. But my touchstone is a necessary, not sufficient condition. It is not easy to cash the talent to be an ATG, but one young gun must show he owns such talent before turning 21 years old. Del Potro showed that in USO09 but got crippled by the injury in his career. For Zverev, I am confident to write him off right now.
I am writing off Zverv's possibility to be an ATG only and I believe he could win a couple of slams in the future. But if he becomes an ATG that will be be unprecedented.Its quite easy to speak with big confidence when nobody would ever held you responsible for what you said ... If you had to back it up somehow, the story would be quite different. If you are ready to write off a 21 years kid whom two years in a row finishes inside the top 4 then you have zero credibility.
Young guns are generally not stable, but as a future ATG, the young gun must show that he has high ceiling in the slam for one time, that's enough. If the player fails to show that before turning 21 years old, I must say his ceiling may not be high enough to be a future ATG.
I am writing off Zverv's possibility to be an ATG only and I believe he could win a couple of slams in the future. But if he becomes an ATG that will be be unprecedented.
Hewitt finished as world No.1 back to back seasons at 20 and 21.Find me a non-ATG who finished as top 4 back to back seasons at 20 and 21.
You can read my touchstone again. What I say is that a future ATG must 1) win a slam 2) or have a convincing win against an ATG in slam before turning 21. I could loose it to "having an exciting run in a slam before 22 years old" but Zverev still failsFederer won his first Slam two months before his 22nd birtday, according to you he was 50 days away from being just an ordinary top player. Lendl won his first Slam at 24, is he not an ATG?
Eh - since when was Zverev gonna become an ATG?
Is he even as good as say, Andy Murray?
He was sick and spent 4 days with flu when he first got To California. That info was out there before the match. That said, he was awful and Struff was in the zone
Didn't seem to affect Zverev's first match against Kližan?
Hewitt.So according to you its better to have one great tournament rather than a great overal year? Find me a non-ATG who finished as top 4 back to back seasons at 20 and 21.
If you think that players like Murray and Wawrinka are not ATG than there is something wrong with you criteria. In terms of success they are probably top 20-25 in the Open era which dates back 50 years.....
Lendl was pushing peak Borg to 5 sets in a RG final at 21.Federer won his first Slam two months before his 22nd birtday, according to you he was 50 days away from being just an ordinary top player. Lendl won his first Slam at 24, is he not an ATG?
Federer was already more successful than Zverev in BO5 before he won his first slam.Federer won his first Slam two months before his 22nd birtday, according to you he was 50 days away from being just an ordinary top player. Lendl won his first Slam at 24, is he not an ATG?
Federer won his first Slam two months before his 22nd birtday, according to you he was 50 days away from being just an ordinary top player. Lendl won his first Slam at 24, is he not an ATG?
For me the difference is that Zverev seems incapable of putting up a good performance against top players at majors.
Lol no. Both are in the same situation. Both Zverev and Tsitsipas will have to wait until Nadal and Djokovic retire/decline to start winning Majors.They’re in very different places in their development. Zverev really should be establishing himself this year. It’s not gone well so far.
Lol no. Both are in the same situation. Both Zverev and Tsitsipas will have to wait until Nadal and Djokovic retire/decline to start winning Majors.