Becker was 1-3 vs Edberg in majors from '88-'90 but 25-10 vs him overall
Boris was like the Safin of the 80s, only better. If he had Sampras like dedication to the game, who knows what he could have accomplished.
I still can't believe he won 2 Wimbledons by 18(Borg won his first at 20, Sampras & Fed at 21, Mac at 22)
Becker was 4-0 vs Lendl at majors betwen 1986-1989(a time in which Lendl was ranked #1 most of the time, Becker none of the time)
They played finals in 3 of the 4 majors.
Becker was 1-3 vs Edberg in majors from '88-'90 but 25-10 vs him overall
He wasnt really a rival to Sampras, except indoors, where he was 7-6 vs him(some really great matches at the masters)
Well said. I voted for Edberg because nearly every match they played was amazing to watch. Their showdowns in the Wimbledon finals are classics. I miss those daysBoris was like the Safin of the 80s, only better.
Even 1-4 if you count the Master 89 as a major.
Oddly, Edberg and Becker were fairly even when they were both at their peak. By 1992 I think was something like 15 or 16 to 10 in Becker's favor. The last 10 or so meeting after both had finished their time as at the very top went to Becker.
Becker must have nightmares about Edberg to this day. He must ask himself WHY he couldn't beat him when it mattered the most when he had a fairly easy time otherwise.
Well that is very interesting because Edberg presented the same problems to Sampras. The 1992 US Open final stayed with Sampras for some time. Edberg is underated but what a smooth, athletic and stylish player! What problems would a young Edberg pose today?
Also, in the 89 Masters Becker actually beat Edberg in the Round Robin, but lost to him in the final! Does that prove the point or what!? Edberg won when it mattered.
Becker padded the record at the end as Edberg's prime ended a little sooner.
Neither was Edberg the favorite to win any of the other slams he took except for the USO91 against Courier. In the 1985 AO Wilander was the clear favorite, 1987 Cash was the favorite (it was his heyday, he won Wimbledon that year), 1992 USO Sampras was the favorite (he also beat Sampras in the 1993 AO semi).
... What problems would a young Edberg pose today?
I think a young Edberg would rush a lot of today's kids into errors. He'd even frustrate Federer, on any surface. However, I do think he would have trouble with the pace and speed of today's players.
Don't forget equipment & slower surfaces are partly responsible for the pace/spin of todays players. If they had to play every other event on the supreme court of the 80s with natural strings, I doubt you'd see as much baseline bashing & a lot more net rushing. And Edberg was experiencing back issues in his later years, I think that had more to do with his declining results than him not being able to handle the pace of Goran types(who he beat many times)
Edberg wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 80s & Federer wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 60s. But considering Edberg on purely athletic terms, are there that many today on his level? That many that do 1000 situps a day(I recall reading that)?
Its a shame top players aren't timed over the years, I think Edberg would be top 10 in pure speed among top 10 players of the last 20 years.
If you are a great athlete who played at an elite level in one era, not sure why you wouldn't be able to be elite in another era.
But as far as alltime greats go, he was a bit of a flake. I still can't believe he lost in the 1st round of the 1990 US Open after winning Wimbledon & every hardcourt event that summer to get the #1 seed there.
Don't forget equipment & slower surfaces are partly responsible for the pace/spin of todays players. If they had to play every other event on the supreme court of the 80s with natural strings, I doubt you'd see as much baseline bashing & a lot more net rushing. And Edberg was experiencing back issues in his later years, I think that had more to do with his declining results than him not being able to handle the pace of Goran types(who he beat many times)
Edberg wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 80s & Federer wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 60s. But considering Edberg on purely athletic terms, are there that many today on his level? That many that do 1000 situps a day(I recall reading that)?
Its a shame top players aren't timed over the years, I think Edberg would be top 10 in pure speed among top 10 players of the last 20 years.
If you are a great athlete who played at an elite level in one era, not sure why you wouldn't be able to be elite in another era.
But as far as alltime greats go, he was a bit of a flake. I still can't believe he lost in the 1st round of the 1990 US Open after winning Wimbledon & every hardcourt event that summer to get the #1 seed there.
Well put. In general, Edberg was always an underdog. He was almost never expected to win. Certainly not the Wimbledon finals against Becker, who was considered invincible on grass at that time. By 1990 Becker had only lost ONE match on the Center court at Wimbledon, against Edberg in 1988. In that year he lost again to the same man (In 1987 he lost on another court).
Also, in the 89 Masters Becker actually beat Edberg in the Round Robin, but lost to him in the final! Does that prove the point or what!? Edberg won when it mattered.
Neither was Edberg the favorite to win any of the other slams he took except for the USO91 against Courier. In the 1985 AO Wilander was the clear favorite, 1987 Cash was the favorite (it was his heyday, he won Wimbledon that year), 1992 USO Sampras was the favorite (he also beat Sampras in the 1993 AO semi).
I remember a match indoors in England (Birmingham?) in winter 1984/85, for a junior World champs. beween Becker and Edberg, which went five sets and was won by Boris.
Just to illustrate your point, in that semifinal you mention in Australia, Sampras was 4:0 up against Edberg in the 1st set and lost!! Imagine that, Sampras been 4 nil up and losing a set. Definitely Edberg gave power players trouble.
Well, Becker was 3-0 vs Edberg in davis cup finals(some really one sided scores in those matches as well) & davis cup was very important to Swedes in the 80s, if you count masters as big matches, you need to count davis cup as well. and he was 2-0 vs him in the dallas wct event, that was a huge event in the 80s as well.
Edberg was actually ranked higher than Becker in most of their meetings from '87 to '93, I don't think Becker padded the record at all. Edberg was year end #1 in '90 & '91 & #2 in '92, but Becker was 6-1 vs him those years, some of the matches weren't even close. Becker wasn't even top 10 in '93, while Edberg was still in the top 5 that year. Becker was clearly better '94-'96, but they only played 4 times in that span.
I was at the '91 US Open final, it was considered basically even money, Courier hadn't lost a set that event. Edberg was favored to beat Courier in the '92 AO though. And the '92 US Open final was basically even money as well, since Edberg was ranked higher,the defending champ & sampras was still relatively new to big matches(ah the days of not knowing who would win a slam final) But you are right Edberg has always been underrated, even in slam finals. He was ranked much higher than Cash in the '87 AO final, but almost no one gave him a shot(Cash had beat Lendl in the semis & Edberg in the DC final on the same court only a month earlier, he was considered the more 'in-form' player)
Becker was a big favorite in '88 W, but I think it was even in '89(or even just a slight edge to Edberg, seeing that he was the defending champ & had just beaten Becker at the French) In '90, Becker was the slight favorite(he had a much tougher semi with Goran while Edberg blew away Lendl, who had beaten Becker at Queens, so that was expected to be a close semi)
It is suprising they didn't play in majors more often, Edberg lost the AO SF vs Lendl in '91 after having match point, that could have been an interesting final.
here is the complete head to head(you can find out their ranking at time of the matches by searching ranking history at atptennis. They really should include that as well in head to head stats)
1996 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-4 7-6(3)
1996 Doha
Qatar Hard R32 Becker 6-2 7-5
1995 Basel
Switzerland Hard Q Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3
1994 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-7(3) 6-4 7-5(saw this match recently, very high quality stuff
1993 Doha
Qatar Hard S Becker 6-4 6-4
1992 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-4 6-0(shocking score, Edberg won the US Open & finished '92 as 2, while Becker played poorly most of the year)
1992 Brussels
Belgium Carpet S Becker 4-6 6-4 6-2
1991 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 3-6 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-2(Edberg was year end #1)
1990 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Edberg 3-3 RET (I think we know what would have happened in this one, considering the Stockholm & Sydney scores)
1990 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-0 6-3(must have been embarassing for Edberg, to lose like that in Sweden. He was year end #1 for '90 while Becker was slamless that year)
1990 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard F Becker 7-6 6-4 6-4
1990 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 6-2 6-2 3-6 3-6 6-4
1990 London / Queen's Club
England Grass S Becker 6-4 6-4
1989 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-2 6-2 6-4
1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-3 6-1
1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Becker 6-1 6-4
1989 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-3 6-3
1989 Wimbledon
England Grass F Becker 6-0 7-6 6-4
1989 Roland Garros
France Clay S Edberg 6-3 6-4 5-7 3-6 6-2
1988 GER V SWE F
Sweden Clay RR Becker 6-3 6-1 6-4
1988 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Edberg 7-6 3-6 6-4
1988 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-4 6-2
1988 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-1 3-6 6-3
1988 Dallas WCT
TX, U.S.A. Carpet F Becker 6-4 1-6 7-5 6-2
1987 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard F Edberg 6-4 6-1
1987 Montreal / Toronto
Montreal, Canada Hard S Edberg 6-2 6-4
1987 Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A. Hard F Becker 6-4 6-4 7-5
1986 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 6-4 6-4
1986 Tokyo Indoor
Japan Carpet F Becker 7-6 6-1
1986 Montreal / Toronto
Toronto, Canada Hard F Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3
1986 Dallas
TX, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6
1985 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-3 3-6 7-5 8-6
1985 Las Vegas
NV, U.S.A. Hard R16 Becker 6-3 6-7 6-2
1985 Philadelphia
PA, U.S.A. Carpet R32 Edberg 6-3 6-1
1984 Cologne
Germany Hard R32 Edberg 6-4 6-4
Becker won 15 of his 25 wins in straight sets, 7 of those were in finals, 3 of them at the year end championship. Overall Becker was 4-2 vs Edberg at that event. Becker was able to bagel Edberg 3 times in his career. He was 11-5 vs Edberg in finals overall (one win for Edberg was a retirement)
3-1 edge for Edberg in majors is important, but also it isn't that many meetings. Plus I'm not sure how big that French Open win was in judging their rivalry(only played twice on clay, with a 1-1 record) Its a shame they didn't play at the US Open or Australia, better events for both.
Well that is very interesting because Edberg presented the same problems to Sampras. The 1992 US Open final stayed with Sampras for some time. Edberg is underated but what a smooth, athletic and stylish player! What problems would a young Edberg pose today?
Just watched a Davis Cup match between Becker and Edberg. Snooze.
edberg and sampras equally.Both incredibly entertaining.