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"It does not seem right that Wimbledon is the only tournament to have it's own seed criteria" - Rafael Nadal
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Looking how many sports are being played on grass, I wouldn't say "grass is expensive and therefore outdated".
It is rather: tennis can be played on cheaper surfaces, therefore the cheaper surfaces take more and more % in the calendar.
But let's not forget where it all started.
weakera
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Raiden
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Because there is significantly more surface-specialty on the men's tour.
Women's tennis is more uniform across all surfaces.
Latest example: The one who won FO two weeks ago is a grass court lover who openly admitted hating clay. Three of the 4 in the semi final in Paris were flat hitters.
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aldeayeah
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Nadal is my countryman and the same age as me. I've had a blast watching him play and rooting for him for all these years.Just curious: when you read/hear something like that from him, does it slide right off your fan preferences like water on Teflon coating, or it changes your opinion on him?
That doesn't mean I worship the ground he walks on. The guy's a complete jock, somewhat out of touch, and can be pretty salty.
I'm still going to root for him whenever he plays. It's not like he has done/said anything unforgivable (yet)
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natalia
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Riding the usual veeeery high and pretentious horses.
clayqueen
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https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/seeds.html
Ladies' Seeding
The seeding order follows the WTA ranking list, except where in the opinion of the committee, a change is necessary to produce a balanced draw.
No, that's not the case. This from the Wimbledon website:
https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/seeds.html
Ladies' Seeding
The seeding order follows the WTA ranking list, except where in the opinion of the committee, a change is necessary to produce a balanced draw.
Pheasant
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The seeds at Wimbledon make the most sense. A player’s performance on that surface should have a massive bearing on his seed on that surface. Lendl, despite being world #1 a then-record 270 weeks, which includes 157 consecutive weeks at #1, was only a #1 seed one time at Wimbledon. I.e, Lendl entered Wimbledon as the world #1 player 5 different times, yet was the #1 seed only once. And quite honestly, I think that was 1 time too many for Lendl to be a #1 seed at this event.
ScottleeSV
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Rafa has a point but counting hugely against him here is the fact Novak and Roger have been far more successful at Wimbledon than he has.
If the semis were Federer v Djokovic and Nadal v Thiem, I would say - on grass - that's imbalanced.
Ultimately, it matters very little anyway. I wasn't even thinking about this when Federer lined up to play Goffin on Sunday, and if Nadal falls in Federer's half then that would basically be what could have happened even with Rafa at no 2.
What is Rafa's opinion on Thiem not getting the same rest time for the French Open final, btw? Has anyone asked him?
If the semis were Federer v Djokovic and Nadal v Thiem, I would say - on grass - that's imbalanced.
Ultimately, it matters very little anyway. I wasn't even thinking about this when Federer lined up to play Goffin on Sunday, and if Nadal falls in Federer's half then that would basically be what could have happened even with Rafa at no 2.
What is Rafa's opinion on Thiem not getting the same rest time for the French Open final, btw? Has anyone asked him?
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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It also didn't seem right that he had a couple of two days rests in the second week of Roland Garros drinking cocktails while the other finalist had to play four days in a row. But, whatever... :/
clayqueen
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Two unseeded players have won Wimbledon - Becker and Ivanisevic.
clayqueen
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You should be putting that question to Djokovic who decided to call off the SF on Friday to finish on Saturday because he can't play unless there is no wind.
Raiden
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Yea they reserve the right to manipulate the seeding but in practice they simply adhere to the WTA ranking 99.9 percent of the time (except upseeding Serena every now and then/every couple of years when they feel like she is severely underranked.. but then that's moot since even the US Open made a one-time exception to push up her seeding last year). Your own quote says "except". So it's an exception to the RULE which is simply the ranking.
Not sure why you brought that up here. The way it is with the women is the original way it was at Wimbledon for both sexes (until the male claycourters complained in 2000 or thereabouts and we ended up with the current grass seeding formula for the men). So Nadal is complaining about a system that came about as a result of action taken by "his kind" of players: past era clay-courters. In the old Wimbledon system Nadal may have possibly been seeded second, given that it was all up to the discretion of the committee.
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Breakpointerer
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You nailed it.
icedevil0289
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mandy! hi, how are you?
When you know what needs to be done then go and do it; don't complain later. It is a rule that has not been introduced today or something that has not been understood well. If no. 2 seed was so important for Nadal, like other posters have said, he should have played one of Halle/Queen.
ScottleeSV
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They should have played the semis at the same time. Nothing to do with Djokovic.
For me the biggest issue with Friday's draw is not the S/F line up but who gets the luck in the round of 16. Some lucky sod will get Fognini whereas others will Cilic/Raonic/Isner.
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Nadal is still the third fav to win it, and who knows, upsets happen on grass, and the draw can open up for him. But he gets no sympathy for willingly sitting out the grass warm ups knowing all he needed was two wins, while Federer played the semis of RG then gutted out a Halle win. He knew the rules for the past 17 years.
Up to 2011 Nole never had enough points to take over the no. 2 place, but he was no. 3 for most of the time. Which, and I guess I need to spell this out for you like to a little child, means Roger got the worse draw.
And after 2011 Nadal is basically a journeyman on grass so it didn't matter what his draw was.
Start da Game
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wimbledon has never been the same after pistol pete........it never felt like wimbledon though there were some entertaining editions like 2003, 2008 and 2013........just the same baseline **** carried over to grass........
StrongRule
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No, it can't. There is absolutely no way both Federer and Djokovic will lose early. An extremely small chance that one of them might lose, but for sure not both.
EloQuent
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I think each surface should be ranked and seeded separately. Barring that, Wimbledon's seeds seems fair. The goal in seeding is to ensure that good players don't knock each other out when both deserve to go deep.
But really the thing with Nadal is all his gripes are always so self serving. He's #3 instead of #2? Seeds are unfair. He prefers clay over HC? These hard surfaces are bad. He can't play indoors? WTF should rotate on clay. He can't defend non clay tournaments and therefore never has two dominant years in a row? Rankings should be 2 years.
But really the thing with Nadal is all his gripes are always so self serving. He's #3 instead of #2? Seeds are unfair. He prefers clay over HC? These hard surfaces are bad. He can't play indoors? WTF should rotate on clay. He can't defend non clay tournaments and therefore never has two dominant years in a row? Rankings should be 2 years.
Lleytonstation
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Can I just continue to quote this every 5 minutes? This covers it all.
#TourneyEquality
DRII
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please tell me you realize Federer didn't win your precious grass slam until it was firmed up!
don't be foolish...
Lleytonstation
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Fair? Bring a grass masters and then we can start to talk about fairness.
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Nadal can beat at least one of them, so if the other goes out, he will have his chances like last year. Though I think beating them both back to back is likely not going to happen.
clayqueen
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*(Argumentum ad hominem )
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DRII
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I'm not blindly defending anyone!
Nadal has every right to is opinion and its not without merit.
of course I don't expect you with your 'rain man' type mind to understand that
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vive le beau jeu !
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his sole existence is unforgivable.
Yes, after a decade's worth of fruitless toil on lightning-fast lawns, ancient Federer finally won his very first Wimbledon after the hard courts were installed. If only he'd faced the challenge of playing the defending champ at least once on fast grass, in an era where S&V players were sure to make the final! That would have exposed Fed for sure.
Dedans Penthouse
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. . ah,. a jeu de mots. . And to think, .Wimbledon's played on (seeded) grass......why the possibilities for that 'word-smithing' Fedophile tennis scholar TMF are endless.
icedevil0289
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so rafa is secretly saying we need more grass tournaments including a masters so that enough points can be racked up heading to wimbledon and they can use the atp rankings and just the atp rankings.
aldeayeah
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I'll answer to the obviously loaded question with another obviously loaded question:
"Who disrespects tennis more:
- A whiney, bad loser, all-time great player?
- A self-proclaimed "tennis fan" who fails to recognize the greatness of the former, and maliciously twists the narrative against him due to their personal bias?"
No need to answer.
icedevil0289
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I always thought that the draws were set up that #1 would theoretically play #4 if they both made it to the semi-finals and #2 and #3 also would play each other, yet that wasn't the case recently (can't remember which Grand Slam it was?). So theoretically it would be Rafa vs. Roger and Novak vs Dominic; is this the case? Personally I want another Rafa vs. Dominic final!
I don't think that has ever been the case. Its meant to be random, but technically #3 has a 50/50 chance to either end up on the side of #1 or the side of #2.
icedevil0289
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Nadal should be whining about adding some Masters on grass so he can prove that he is worthy of being the second seed at Wimbledon.
Since there is only one event on grass for grass court specialists before Wimbledon, the seeding formula is bang on.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
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