Tennis Elbow and Technique

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Rui Lopes

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For all the people that insist that tennis elbow only comes from poor technique , please go help Lucas Pouille and Kei Nishikori how to hit a ball , because they will be out the rest of the season because of elbow injury. I know you have already helped Tsonga, Djokovic , and many others to hit a ball so they could come back to tennis, after their elbow injuries. And i´m glad that you told them how to it a single handed backhand properly , cause their injury might have come from that stroke too…
Let´s settle this for once and for all. tennis elbow it´s an overuse injury. Some people get it sooner than others. When you start feeling something wrong with your arm just take it easy and give it some rest to recover. don´t do what i did and play untill it´s too damaged...
it´s OVERUSE and not technique inperfection or single handed backhands . just make sure you don´t hit the ball with your frame, but with the stringbed...
Happy tennis to everyone...
 
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Rui Lopes

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GBplayer said:
Multiple factors are responsible, poor technique being number one.
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Jesus, everything i´ve said just doesn´t give you a clue...
In one week two of the best technicians in the world of tennis announced that they will be off for the rest of the season because of elbow injury , and you insist in the poor technique thing...jesus Christ...some people just wan´t to believe in their own ****...
Give the name of one guy that has poor technique, but only plays tennis two times a week and got tennis elbow. And that guy, can´t be one with a job where he can stress is elbow too...He has to have it just from playing two times a week...Give me one...
 
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GBplayer

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Rui Lopes said:
Jesus, everything i´ve said just doesn´t give you a clue...
In one week two of the best technicians in the world of tennis announced that they will be off for the rest of the season because of elbow injury , and you insist in the poor technique thing...jesus Christ...some people just wan´t to believe in their own ****...
Give the name of one guy that has poor technique, but only plays tennis two times a week and got tennis elbow. And that guy, can´t be one with a job where he can stress is elbow too...He has to have it just from playing two times a week...Give me one...
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Most club players won't hit as many balls in a year as a professional will hit in a week.

You cannot compare professional players with the majority of club players. Different reasons for getting injured.
 
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undecided

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ollinger said:
These debates are a little silly; repetitive stress injuries are likely multifactorial, and technique, equipment, genetics, physical conditioning, current medications (e.g. the Cipro tendon issue), perhaps even diet for all we know, can likely contribute to risk.
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Cipro can affect the tendons for years after having taken it.
 
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Rui Lopes

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GBplayer said:
I really don't know what you are talking about?
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how can it be so hard for you to realize that it´s an Overuse injury , and technique it´s not the main reason. Unless you are framming the ball every time , if you hit the ball with the stringbed and the strings are in decent condition, than technique it´s not the cause. TE it´s an injury in the outsider tendon of the elbow , and that tendon will get less strong with age and with overuse exercises, repetitive stress...technique has very little to do with it...
 
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GBplayer

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Rui Lopes said:
how can it be so hard for you to realize that it´s an Overuse injury , and technique it´s not the main reason. Unless you are framming the ball every time , if you hit the ball with the stringbed and the strings are in decent condition, than technique it´s not the cause. TE it´s an injury in the outsider tendon of the elbow , and that tendon will get less strong with age and with overuse exercises, repetitive stress...technique has very little to do with it...
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With that many ifs, it shows that your theory is flawed.

You also try to compare professional players to club players which is not possible. Go and watch any average club players on club night.

Professional players have proper coaching.

Presumably you feel like you have the technique of a top 100 player?
 
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op's got panic buttons all over his post n on his elbow as well..........lololololololol, manohman.

'overuse' is quite different from 'abuse', man:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.............................
 
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burzum

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Hi, I registered here to ask specifically about other's opinon about elbow injuries. I am suffering from this (as well as other typical tennis injuries) for over 20 years. I started to play tennis when I was 5, finished at 18-20 (no chance for senior career). The pain started when I was 15-16, probably. Now I am 40 and trying to get back to tennis (again). I cant say this injury was caused by that bad technic, I was trained by different (more-less) professional coaches. I believe someone would correct it if it was that bad. So, from 30 years perspective, my further injuries were caused by:
1. Improper hardware, especially racquets, generally too heavy for juniors (playing 6-10 times a week, it really matters).
2. Lack of vibration control in my early racquets (wooden, alu, than first graphite).
We were also generally overtrained - during the winter there were no much playing, so we were doing other stuff (sorry, I don't know specific term for this kind of training). This caused other injuries, but it's off this topic.
How does it look like now ? While forcing my elbow in specific way (during windsurfing, sailing) it gets paralysed, the "pain" moves towards forearm, wrist and up to the arm and shoulder. Playing tennis, this usually happes after 20-30 minutes. Yes, when I was a player, I got many treatments (is this a right word ?) for this. Helped for a while.

When I was 30, I got my Volkl organix by mistake - I was testing Volkl Powerbridge and ordered this, by "mistake" I got Organix 10 320g instead. This is the only racquet I can play now without pain. I swear, that all other hardware I played since then (not much, I admit) I feel in my elbow.

As Organix, beside it's safe for me, is definitely not the best racquet I played, I would like to ask do You know any other similar construction that You (You with elbow problems) tested and noticed are safer than others ?
I have limited possibilities of testing hardware, so I would appreciate every suggestions.

And, to the point, in my opinion I am not sure if bad technic can destroy Your elbow. You will rather feel it in Your wrist, forearm, shoulder. For me, bad racquet definitely can.

Best regards and looking for suggestions regarding elbow-friendly racquets...

best regards,

Piotr
 
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Rui Lopes

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Hi,
I think you are safe with the Volkl racket. It´s great for the arm. You should take a closer look to the strings you are using. What´s the strings?
 
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burzum

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Hi,
no idea, I just asked service guy to put something good in. It's silver, quite silk and normal width. It gives no spin, I have to work hard to get my usual aggresive top spin. Not very happy with it.
What should I use ? I prefer something that can help with spin, Organix 10 is not perfect here.
As currently only one 320 left in my bag, I would like to move to V-Sense 10 or C10 Pro. Do You think both are made with the same vibration absorbing technology ? Is there any really difference between them ?
As far as I can see Volkl is not that popular here.

best regards,

Piotr
 
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Tennease

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When I started playing tennis more than a decade ago, I used a very light racquet (about less than 11 oz) and I had some arm issues. Then I researched on websites and found this forum as well. Several websites mentioned how important it is to not play with too light racquet. So I bought some of the heaviest racquets in town that I could get (ended up with Wilson K90) and I put more weight under the bumperguard for easy power. I use narrow steel sheets that I cut off these cable ties: https://www.bunnings.com.au/stahl-4-6-x-150mm-stainless-steel-cable-tie-10-pack_p4430333 . So now there are 2 steel sheets under my racquet bumperguard, at the front and the back face of the racquet. I also put some nuts (as in nuts and bolts) inside my racquet handle. I secure them all with strong glue.

The weight of my racquet is 14 oz. The swingweight is 370.

Main string is 35 lbs. Cross string is 30 lbs.

It is so so so so very comfortable. So very easy power. Hitting balls feels so smooth and I can feel the great ball pocketing feeling, making it easy to control the ball. It feels as if the extra steel weight at the top and the low tension string helps to absorb vibrations. Half volleys can go deep from my baseline to my opponent's baseline - that's how easy the power it can generate with just a flick of my wrist.
 
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tennishabit

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I collected >100 rkts during the years n also tried all of them n none of them gave me te/ge w/ watava strings/tensions on them so dat's why i know te/ge have nothing to do w/ rkts/strings/tensions..........all abt how you strike the ball, man:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.............................
 
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Rui Lopes

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burzum said:
Hi, no idea, I just asked service guy to put something good in. It's silver, quite silk and normal width. It gives no spin, I have to work hard to get my usual aggresive top spin. Not very happy with it. What should I use ? I prefer something that can help with spin, Organix 10 is not perfect here. As currently only one 320 left in my bag, I would like to move to V-Sense 10 or C10 Pro. Do You think both are made with the same vibration absorbing technology ? Is there any really difference between them ? As far as I can see Volkl is not that popular here. best regards, Piotr
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burzum said:
Hi,
no idea, I just asked service guy to put something good in. It's silver, quite silk and normal width. It gives no spin, I have to work hard to get my usual aggresive top spin. Not very happy with it.
What should I use ? I prefer something that can help with spin, Organix 10 is not perfect here.
As currently only one 320 left in my bag, I would like to move to V-Sense 10 or C10 Pro. Do You think both are made with the same vibration absorbing technology ? Is there any really difference between them ?
As far as I can see Volkl is not that popular here.

best regards,

Piotr
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Hi,
The volkl C10 pro it´s great for the arm.
Regarding to strings , multifilament strings or gut will be the best for the arm. If you have to use polyester for more spin , than try the Yonex poly tour pro , or the kirschbaum pro line II , or the RS Lyon , or the Weiss Cannon Silverstring 1.20. All of this polyesters are among the best for the arm...
Best regards
 
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Rui Lopes

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tennishabit said:
I collected >100 rkts during the years n also tried all of them n none of them gave me te/ge w/ watava strings/tensions on them so dat's why i know te/ge have nothing to do w/ rkts/strings/tensions..........all abt how you strike the ball, man:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.............................
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But that´s just because you have the best technique in the world...Even better than all those playesr that are in the group of the best in the world , but got Tennis Elbow because they don´t strike the ball like you...
Please give them a call...
 
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Chadalina

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Rui Lopes said:
For all the people that insist that tennis elbow only comes from poor technique , please go help Lucas Pouille and Kei Nishikori how to hit a ball , because they will be out the rest of the season because of elbow injury. I know you have already helped Tsonga, Djokovic , and many others to hit a ball so they could come back to tennis, after their elbow injuries. And i´m glad that you told them how to it a single handed backhand properly , cause their injury might have come from that stroke too…
Let´s settle this for once and for all. tennis elbow it´s an overuse injury. Some people get it sooner than others. When you start feeling something wrong with your arm just take it easy and give it some rest to recover. don´t do what i did and play untill it´s too damaged...
it´s OVERUSE and not technique inperfection or single handed backhands . just make sure you don´t hit the ball with your frame, but with the stringbed...
Happy tennis to everyone...
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For me the grip makes the biggest difference. If its too small you squeeze and the impact goes to that location, if you dont wash hands and use old grip, effect is similar.

For 1h'rs always be ready to slice, trying to come over the ball with a late contact pt can really hurt.

Also always keep your elbow tucked, hitting a bh return can be like an arm bar if fully extended, hurts. My coach played high lvl club in germany, he actually broke his elbow once on a return. Perhaps a scarey story, but really helps.
 
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Rui Lopes

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Chadalina said:
For me the grip makes the biggest difference. If its too small you squeeze and the impact goes to that location, if you dont wash hands and use old grip, effect is similar.

For 1h'rs always be ready to slice, trying to come over the ball with a late contact pt can really hurt.

Also always keep your elbow tucked, hitting a bh return can be like an arm bar if fully extended, hurts. My coach played high lvl club in germany, he actually broke his elbow once on a return. Perhaps a scarey story, but really helps.
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Yep, that is scary...
 
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burzum

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Thanks for all replies.
I wonder if we are talking about the very same injury - for me this is something You can't mistake, it's like constantly hitting elbow against corner, no way You can play tennis or hold anything.
Regarding racquets, playing stiff and not very comfortable, like older Hammers (I did recently, for about 15 minutes, found my father's old one) makes me feel every vibration and huge pain. Right now, Organix is perfect here, but my favorite one was always Wilson Pro Staff series. Do You think it's also elbow friendly ? Or do I have to stay with C10 or any new Volkl ?
I am not sure how many players are suffering from tennis elbow, but maybe elbow friendly racquets could be useful.

Rui Lopes said:
Regarding to strings , multifilament strings or gut will be the best for the arm. If you have to use polyester for more spin , than try the Yonex poly tour pro , or the kirschbaum pro line II , or the RS Lyon , or the Weiss Cannon Silverstring 1.20. All of this polyesters are among the best for the arm...
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Thanks a lot, I will try Yonex, I also got a sample VStar 1.2mm from Volkl. Unfortunately most spin friendly strings I've played were not very durable - it lasted about 10-14 days of regular play.

Regarding technic, I am testing Swing App, so I will be able to share some video, as far as I understand it should be possible directly from app.
 
Sardines

Sardines

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There is no doubt using any muscle or joint repetitively will cause wear and tear, and tendons/muscles etc will break down under continuous stress. That's the very definition of 'use'!
Still sometimes it's tennis that exacerbates arm pain that is caused by other reasons. For years, I'd used a track pad or pen pad, then I switched to a normal mouse for 8 months. At the same time, I'd started out with the RF97A, but it was the same weight as the 6.1 95 16x18 and lighter than the K90 I'd used previously without issue. My brachioradialis started getting tender, after court workouts, and I began regretting the switch. Then I switched back to the pads for computer work and all the pain stopped. As an experiment, after 2 months, I tried using the mouse again and within 3 weeks, the soreness came right back. I experimented with a vertical mouse and that was a lot better too.
Arm massage and stretching, with strength maintenance is also crucial for longevity. I play 4 times a week with college level pace and power, so I know I don't hit in the sweet spot at least 30% of the time if that. A higher swing/twist/recoil weight helps, but technique is probably still the top factor for elbow injuries. One of my hitting partners had a coach who messed with his forehand, and he started rotating his elbow more instead of internal should rotation, for that extra spin/pace. Inevitably, he developed arm issues.
 
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Rui Lopes

Rookie
burzum said:
Thanks for all replies.
I wonder if we are talking about the very same injury - for me this is something You can't mistake, it's like constantly hitting elbow against corner, no way You can play tennis or hold anything.
Regarding racquets, playing stiff and not very comfortable, like older Hammers (I did recently, for about 15 minutes, found my father's old one) makes me feel every vibration and huge pain. Right now, Organix is perfect here, but my favorite one was always Wilson Pro Staff series. Do You think it's also elbow friendly ? Or do I have to stay with C10 or any new Volkl ?
I am not sure how many players are suffering from tennis elbow, but maybe elbow friendly racquets could be useful.



Thanks a lot, I will try Yonex, I also got a sample VStar 1.2mm from Volkl. Unfortunately most spin friendly strings I've played were not very durable - it lasted about 10-14 days of regular play.

Regarding technic, I am testing Swing App, so I will be able to share some video, as far as I understand it should be possible directly from app.
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V Star from Volkl it´s a good string for your arm too. Just remember that from now on you can´t play with dead strings. You will have to replace them often, so they don´t hurt your arm. As soon as you feel they don´t play as good , just cut them out and put new ones... The Wilsons are not goon for an injured arm. stay with Volkl ao if you can try something from Pro Kennex . If the Organix doesn´t hurt your arm , than that´s the one for you. people have a lot of choices when their arms are good , but once you get injured , the choices are very small...
Try the C10 pro , if it´s not better than your racket , just keep that one and try the strings that i´ve told you...
Best regards
 
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andreh

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burzum said:
but my favorite one was always Wilson Pro Staff series. Do You think it's also elbow friendly ?
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The original Pro Staff Midsize 85 is pretty arm friendly. The current ones, I don't know. Pretty sure they're not as armfriendly as as the orginal.
 
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Rui Lopes

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andreh said:
The original Pro Staff Midsize 85 is pretty arm friendly. The current ones, I don't know. Pretty sure they're not as armfriendly as as the orginal.
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The Pro Staff 85 it´s not for sale anymore , and for a long time. We are talking about the current line...
 
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user92626

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Rui Lopes said:
Let´s settle this for once and for all. tennis elbow it´s an overuse injury. Some people get it sooner than others. When you start feeling something wrong with your arm just take it easy and give it some rest to recover. don´t do what i did and play untill it´s too damaged...
it´s OVERUSE and not technique inperfection or single handed backhands . just make sure you don´t hit the ball with your frame, but with the stringbed...
Happy tennis to everyone...
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Right on.

Coincidentally I'm having TE since yesterday.

I waited 6 weeks for a rematch and I kinda over-trained my arm at the gym. There's no guessing about this because I specifically targeted those muscles. I wanted a better serve on top of my FH.

Then came yesterday I overexerted myself in the match. I felt ache during the match and I noticed a big drop in power. The TE became huge later in the night and is lasting to now.

I pride myself on getting the technical parts of tennis but I neglected my overly competitive side which caused this. Our body can take a lot until we realize the true impact. It's not necessarily bad technique. EVERYTHING breaks down if overused.
 
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tennishabit

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Rui Lopes said:
But that´s just because you have the best technique in the world...Even better than all those playesr that are in the group of the best in the world , but got Tennis Elbow because they don´t strike the ball like you...
Please give them a call...
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lololololol, man.............wat's the definition of 'the best':?))) not sure wat dat is to u, man. goats:?)) top pro etcetc:?)) anyway dat's ur internal affair/issue. to me, 'the best'='the most suitable' (shsh..........sh, kept it secret, man. it's anti commercial/profitial, new word btw:))) n also it's dynamic ie it's changing/developing/evolving/etcetc constantly. my 'technique's surely the best.........but only the best for myself. if dat'd be the best for some1else, well..........good luck, man:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D...........

anyway, talk the talk walk the walk, man. go find an inclined wall or use a ball machine to hit >1000 fh/bh as hard as you can ie not much borrowed incoming pace. deploy watava u'v got n throw it onto the ball >1000hit/day 7d/wk for couple of wks to c how u go. if ur arm's happy then dat'd be the best watava technique suits the best................bet dat'll be quite similar to the pro's stroke, as mathematically speaking correct answers are always limited n much much less than wrong1s:love::love::love::love:..............
 
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Rui Lopes

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user92626 said:
Right on.

Coincidentally I'm having TE since yesterday.

I waited 6 weeks for a rematch and I kinda over-trained my arm at the gym. There's no guessing about this because I specifically targeted those muscles. I wanted a better serve on top of my FH.

Then came yesterday I overexerted myself in the match. I felt ache during the match and I noticed a big drop in power. The TE became huge later in the night and is lasting to now.

I pride myself on getting the technical parts of tennis but I neglected my overly competitive side which caused this. Our body can take a lot until we realize the true impact. It's not necessarily bad technique. EVERYTHING breaks down if overused.
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Yep , that´s what i was saying…
sorry for what hapened man , it is the same that hapened to me...Now just take a rest for some weeks or even a month , untill you try slow again. Don´t try to force it like i did , it will only make the recovery much longer...
Resting your arm is your best friend right now. Ice it, massage it and rest. when the pain is gone , start doing light exercises to recover the strenght. Listen to your arm and go with what it says...
Now it´s time to focus on working your legs hard , since you can´t play tennis on the short time...
Good luck...
 
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Rui Lopes

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tennishabit said:
lololololol, man.............wat's the definition of 'the best':?))) not sure wat dat is to u, man. goats:?)) top pro etcetc:?)) anyway dat's ur internal affair/issue. to me, 'the best'='the most suitable' (shsh..........sh, kept it secret, man. it's anti commercial/profitial, new word btw:))) n also it's dynamic ie it's changing/developing/evolving/etcetc constantly. my 'technique's surely the best.........but only the best for myself. if dat'd be the best for some1else, well..........good luck, man:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D...........

anyway, talk the talk walk the walk, man. go find an inclined wall or use a ball machine to hit >1000 fh/bh as hard as you can ie not much borrowed incoming pace. deploy watava u'v got n throw it onto the ball >1000hit/day 7d/wk for couple of wks to c how u go. if ur arm's happy then dat'd be the best watava technique suits the best................bet dat'll be quite similar to the pro's stroke, as mathematically speaking correct answers are always limited n much much less than wrong1s:love::love::love::love:..............
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That´s what i thought...
now you´re talking about whatever technique suits you the best...Now you´re saying that it´s about your self technique, the one that is best for you...
Apparently i was right...As long as you hit the ball with the stringbed , whatever technique you use that fits you it´s ok...That´s what you said , and you are finnaly right...
 
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andreh

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Rui Lopes said:
The Pro Staff 85 it´s not for sale anymore , and for a long time. We are talking about the current line...
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I'd say, the new Pro Staffs are not as bad as the worst out there, but they are still higher stiffness rating and higher swing weight compared it's ancestor. Two factors that probably isn't going to be in your favor if you're already prone to injury. I play with the original. I bought a couple used ones of e...ay since I can't imagine playing with a non-pro staff racket, and I don't like the new ones. I believe the K90 that I switched to in 2007 was instrumental in wrecking my elbow. So I'm not touching the current one, as tempted as I am.
 
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tennishabit

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Rui Lopes said:
That´s what i thought...
now you´re talking about whatever technique suits you the best...Now you´re saying that it´s about your self technique, the one that is best for you...
Apparently i was right...As long as you hit the ball with the stringbed , whatever technique you use that fits you it´s ok...That´s what you said , and you are finnaly right...
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it's not important at all whoever said watava, man. it's all abt how u'r doing it ie if efficient/effective/injuryfree:?))) n dat's why i said:
'anyway, talk the talk walk the walk, man. go find an inclined wall or use a ball machine to hit >1000 fh/bh as hard as you can ie not much borrowed incoming pace. deploy watava u'v got n throw it onto the ball >1000hit/day 7d/wk for couple of wks to c how u go. if ur arm's happy then dat'd be the best watava technique suits the best................bet dat'll be quite similar to the pro's stroke, as mathematically speaking correct answers are always limited n much much less than wrong1s:love::love::love::love:.............. '
 
t_pac

t_pac

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Elbow problems in tennis arise when the musculature of the elbow joint cannot handle the load being placed on it, and the load therefore transfers to the tendons, which become damaged.

For a pro, the issue is almost certainly going to be over-use. For your average club hack it's likely to be some combination of frequency, technique and conditioning. This can only be determined on a case by case basis.

So we need to reduce the load (improved technique and/or equipment changes), reduce the frequency of loading (play less often) or strengthen the musculature to better handle the loads placed on them.

In reality a combination of all three will likely give the most satisfactory end result (following adequate rest and specific rehab work focusing on repairing the tendons).
 
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burzum

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What about vibrations ? And why some racquets (same weight/swing) are more elbow friendly ? Maybe the injury I think of is not typical tennis elbow...
 
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burzum

New User
Edit: I found some article that differentiates types of tennis elbow injury. For me it is something like this: (google translated):

isthmus of the radial nerve canal - entrapment of the posterior interosseous branch of the radial nerve, the main differentiating symptom are paresthesia (tingling, numbness, sensation problems or a "creep" symptom) projected into the palm or side of the forearm,

Source: https://klinikafizjoterapii.com/home,32,lokiec_tenisisty.html

Sorry, tried to edit post with no luck.
 
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Rui Lopes

Rookie
burzum said:
What about vibrations ? And why some racquets (same weight/swing) are more elbow friendly ? Maybe the injury I think of is not typical tennis elbow...
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Rackets are maid from different materials , and those make a lot of difference. Some rackets are completly hollow , like the Babolats , some rackets have foam inside the frame , or other materials to reduce vibrations. It´s the same thing with the strings...
 
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burzum

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Rui Lopes said:
Rackets are maid from different materials , and those make a lot of difference. Some rackets are completly hollow , like the Babolats , some rackets have foam inside the frame , or other materials to reduce vibrations. It´s the same thing with the strings...
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Rui, yeah, I was asking t_pac, because he omits vibrations problem focusing on load. In my opinion, that is not necessary true. On the other hand, in article I quoted above there's nothing about vibrations, just about racquet weight, string and lot about technic. I think it's better to leave this thread alone and just play with the hardware feel comfortable :)
 
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andreh

Professional
burzum said:
Edit: I found some article that differentiates types of tennis elbow injury. For me it is something like this: (google translated):

isthmus of the radial nerve canal - entrapment of the posterior interosseous branch of the radial nerve, the main differentiating symptom are paresthesia (tingling, numbness, sensation problems or a "creep" symptom) projected into the palm or side of the forearm,

Source: https://klinikafizjoterapii.com/home,32,lokiec_tenisisty.html

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There are some real doctors here that may correct me on this, but this sounds like radial nerve entrapment, which I believe is a different diagnosis than lateral epicondylitis (i.e., tennis elbow in colloquial terminology), which is damage to tendon that attaches on the outside of the elbow. It's often confused with TE, though, as the pain is located roughly in the same place.

There are many ailments of the forearm and outer elbow and it's fairly common that doctors misdiagnose (again, the real doctos may correct me here). There's also brachioradialis pain syndrome, which hurts in similar way, but is not actually the same tendon. The brachioradialis origin is just above the the lateral epicondyle on the ridge of the upper arm. Can feel just like tennis elbow, but is a different muscle than the extensor digitorum that is usually involved with tennis elbow and requires different exercises to rehabilitate.
 
t_pac

t_pac

Semi-Pro
I'm not sure how much effect vibration really has, perhaps to an arm that's already compromised it might be more relevant. Of course stiffer (and lighter) racquets and strings absorb less of the energy from the impact with the ball and transfer more to the arm.
 
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undecided

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All I can tell u is that if your arm hurts from TE/GE, just swinging your arm freely without even holding anything it will hurt. That tells me that it's not weight or stiffness but the swinging motion that tugs at the tendons. In my specific situation it's Flexion with Radial deviation during the serve finish that instigated it, not the actual impact of the racquet.
 
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HouTex

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I can’t say if the racquet matters in preventing TE but as I was in the last months of my 20 month recovery from a horrible case of TE the racquet clearly mattered. Just a few hits with my old Wilson prostaff 6.1 and my elbow would start to hurt. I could feel the vibration going up my forearm with each hit. I could then immediately hit with either the Volkl V1 classic or the Prince EXO3 and feel no vibration at all. I keep both racquets but I mainly play with the Prince. I’m about 3 years post-recovery and while I’m not playing as much I feel no discomfort at all while playing. Oh, and I haven’t changed my strokes. And pre and post injury I have always played with multi strings (Wilson NXT).
 
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burzum

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HouTex said:
I can’t say if the racquet matters in preventing TE but as I was in the last months of my 20 month recovery from a horrible case of TE the racquet clearly mattered. Just a few hits with my old Wilson prostaff 6.1 and my elbow would start to hurt. I could feel the vibration going up my forearm with each hit. I could then immediately hit with either the Volkl V1 classic or the Prince EXO3 and feel no vibration at all. I keep both racquets but I mainly play with the Prince. I’m about 3 years post-recovery and while I’m not playing as much I feel no discomfort at all while playing. Oh, and I haven’t changed my strokes. And pre and post injury I have always played with multi strings (Wilson NXT).
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Same with me. Organix is the first racquet I can play without pain. I can feel pain even when I play with no vibrastop, sometimes I'm getting mad thinking it's not possible to feel such things. When I was pro player they cared somehow about my elbow, as far as I remember with "diadynamics" mostly, but with no luck. You know, 80's-90's in Poland were... specific.

I will go for C10 Pro...
 
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tennishabit

Legend
Dim Sim said:
Jezuz you are a struggle sunshine. Where can I buy the moron keyboard for ios? You can’t talk like this irl.
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lololololololol man, the sunshine's always rising/setting there naturally w/o struggling at all, happy as larry:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D................n the struggling 1s'r the 1s start shrinking fast >45 yo due to vd+calcium-def, n ask any1 of the east asian ladies w/ umbrellas under the sunshine how many cm she's shrunk. most likely a 65 yo would happily tell u it'd be >5cm...........lolololololol, mamohmam. it's called '美白'( pronounce: mei bai) meant 'beautified white'............lolololololol wtf 'white's dat, mam:?)) dat's fkn pale light gray ie zombie gray, mam:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:....................
 
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tennishabit

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undecided said:
All I can tell u is that if your arm hurts from TE/GE, just swinging your arm freely without even holding anything it will hurt. That tells me that it's not weight or stiffness but the swinging motion that tugs at the tendons. In my specific situation it's Flexion with Radial deviation during the serve finish that instigated it, not the actual impact of the racquet.
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a few guys i hit w/ couldn't even turn their door knob or hold a cup of coffee every time when the te/ge dropped in n revisited them. also they insisted dat's the way fed etc hitting but i reckon even if no 'insisted' factor there'd be no way to alter their form by now after so many yrs of tennising. i told them abt ttw here re. 'armfriendly' rkts/strings n they tried but it only lifted bit tolerance/threshold allowing them to play bit more, nothing else really changedo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O...........................
 
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HouTex

Rookie
tennishabit said:
a few guys i hit w/ couldn't even turn their door knob or hold a cup of coffee every time when the te/ge dropped in n revisited them. also they insisted dat's the way fed etc hitting but i reckon even if no 'insisted' factor there'd be no way to alter their form by now after so many yrs of tennising. i told them abt ttw here re. 'armfriendly' rkts/strings n they tried but it only lifted bit tolerance/threshold allowing them to play bit more, nothing else really changedo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O...........................
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Tennishabit, please don’t take this the wrong way, but for some time I have been trying to read your posts on this and other TE threads, and I cannot decode them. I really want to understand what you are trying to say because it could be interesting or even useful. I would urge you to try to write in short and clear sentences. Less is more. Seek out the writings of Judge Lynn Hughes, United States District Judge for the Southern District of Texas. They are online.
 
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