PeoplesChamp
Legend
Won't make much difference if Djokovic doesn't catch Federer in slam count.
Nadal will still trail Federer in YE#1, 2 years worth of weeks at #1, and ZERO World Tour Final.
Nadal withdraws from Paris !
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Nadal will still trail Federer in YE#1, 2 years worth of weeks at #1, and ZERO World Tour Final.
If he overtakes Federer's slam count, I will let you guys be happy with those lol. Also it's highly unlikely that Feferer would lead any of those categories either. Djokovic is coming after those as well. In pretty much every category you will see your guy 2nd or maybe even 3rd. That must hurt.
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
This is what happens when nobody taught you how to serve properly.
Nadal plays through a lot of niggles on clay, he doesn't have to be 100% on clay. His 80% is better than 98 out of top 100 on clay.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Shapo is going to get routed tomorrow. Djokovic will pick on his BH return in the deuce court all match and put his serve back in play all match. Look for a 1.50+ domiance ratio for Djokovic tomorrow.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
As always, ROTB (Roger on the brain) affliction strikes the rival fan bases. They do little else but talk about Federer in endless threads which have absolutely nothing to do with him. It must "hurt" that whoever you're rooting for doesn't have Fed's career. You can hope and pray they overtake him, but until then, they're second or third best, at best.
Those don't account for ****. A slam is a slam, you can't replace it with anything else. Imagine Federer not at the top of any of those lists lmao.
I think before your sanctimonious BS, you ought to address your fellow Federerinas and ask them to control themselves. I wouldn't even talk about him if his fans weren't behaving like the disgraceful turds they are. I don't remember anyone celebrating Federer's injury after the Dimitrov match.
ForehandRF
Legend
Nadal's fanbase does exactly the same thing and has been doing it for more than a decade.Don't expect Fed fans to be different after all that trolling and hate Fed received, especially in the 2008-2014 period.It's about fightning fire with fire.Luckily there are good fans in every fanbase; trolls are the minority in fact I would say.
ghostofMecir
Legend
100% this. Nadal knows that not only does he get beaten by Djokovic on hardcourtd, he gets utterly humiliated. He needs to be 100% to even challenge him. Tio and nephew are smart though—why give even more mental edge to Djokovic?
In the last 7 years post 2013 USO, Nadal and Djokovic have played on hard courts 8 times and in EIGHT MATCHES, Nadal has:
—won ZERO sets out of 17
—broken serve two times and generated 10 break points in 80+ Djokovic serve games. That’s just woeful
—Djoko’s Domiance ratios: 2.40, 1.43, 2.35, 1.91, 1.50, 1.97, 1.43, 2.81
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Will still be number 1 again!
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, for 2 weeks.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Nadal will be 3rd in 3/4 categories Lmao. Djokovic 3rd in slams. Federer will retain his WTF or be tied with Djokovic. DJokovic isn't winning 2 more.
Slams, WTF, YE#1, Weeks #1:
Fed - 2,1,2,2
Nadal 1,3,3,3
Djokovic 3,2,1,1
Leaves Fed and Djokovic tied with tiebreaker being slams.
Advantage Federer.
Besides, he's the People's Champ regardless.
ghostofMecir
Legend
And you rejoice in hating a person who doesn’t even know you’re alive.
Yugram
Legend
One can argue who started the fire, but something tells me it was the ones whose hero got beaten repeatedly by a kid.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It is the cumulative aspect that decides everything . Fed need not be number 1 in every category. His 20 majors, 302 weeks, 6 YEC, 5 YE No 1 and 5 slams at 3 of 4 events and being the first person to achieve all these landmarks will always going to get him in the conversation.
We cannot add Nadal + Djokovic resume and compare it with Federer.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic wins the WTF, he ties Federer's count, meaning he'd be 3 1 1 1 to Fed's 2 1 2 2. Novak's 6 is less than Fed's 7 in that case, meaning Djokovic would win.
Advantage Djokovic.
(Btw, save it for when it actually happens. Fed's in the lead in every meaningful stat right now.)
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa losing is a bad thing for fed fans. Djoker stays number one, takes more weeks, beats Fed in YE#1's. Not good for Fed fans.
Those are not "equal" categories. Slam count is the most dominant category in people's minds, since you care so much about it. If Fed loses the slam battle, no one would give a remotest flying **** about weeks at #1. He will lose his "GOAT" title, period. Nadal may not win it but it would make sure that nobody would call Federer the GOAT.
ghostofMecir
Legend
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
This is really sad. For the sixth time in this decade Nadal is going to withdraw from WTF. He doesn't even play this tournament...
ForehandRF
Legend
It's certainly a vicious cycle.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Whatever. Fed won't be GOAT without the slam record. That's the bottom line.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe in your fantasy world.
JackSockIsTheBest
Professional
yup
my dude... you are CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!
JackSockIsTheBest
Professional
hahahaha damn that's funny as ****!
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Why is that ? We have been hearing Fed is not the GOAT even though he has every record imaginable as on date.
Why does the narrative change when Nadal gets the slam record alone ?
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Not to mention Federer will have most career wins and titles.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Both Federer and Nadal have 54 titles at tournaments which are 1000+ level.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Fed the biggest talking point in a tournament he's not participating in.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Brutal.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
It takes more than bricks and 2 x 4's to build a house.
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
Hahahahahahahahahaaaaah
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Nice meltdown peopleschump, everyone knows Slams are the most important. Take your categories and stick em up your 1hbh
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Not sure if you are familiar with what a meltdown is. It's not typing facts on a message board the last time I checked.Nice meltdown peopleschump, everyone knows Slams are the most important. Take your categories and stick em up your 1hbh
Amritia
Hall of Fame
This idea that WTF, Weeks at number 1, and YE#1s are all categories equivalent to who has the most slams is hilarious.
WTF is certainly more important than Masters 1000, but nowhere near as important as Slams. Let's not forget in 2014 Federer pulled out of WTF final, only to play Davis Cup a week later. He'd never do that for a slam.
I'd have W/L ratio as a more important measure than ranking. Ranking is a secondary dataset which is so flawed. Firstly it has Slam as 2000 points vs Masters as 1000 points. That itself is ridiculous, as every player would take 1 slams over 2 Masters. I mean as a Nadal fan I'd take 1 Slam over 10 Masters 1000 titles. Also ranking is skewed towards players who are healthier so can simply enter more tournaments. As long as players can win slams, who cares if they're healthy enough to play lots of tournaments people barely care about to build up ranking points? I don't.
W/L ratio is a measure of average performance per match, which is a useful tool as long as u break it down into W/L in slams (important), and disregard W/L in ATP500/250 events (irrelevant).
WTF is certainly more important than Masters 1000, but nowhere near as important as Slams. Let's not forget in 2014 Federer pulled out of WTF final, only to play Davis Cup a week later. He'd never do that for a slam.
I'd have W/L ratio as a more important measure than ranking. Ranking is a secondary dataset which is so flawed. Firstly it has Slam as 2000 points vs Masters as 1000 points. That itself is ridiculous, as every player would take 1 slams over 2 Masters. I mean as a Nadal fan I'd take 1 Slam over 10 Masters 1000 titles. Also ranking is skewed towards players who are healthier so can simply enter more tournaments. As long as players can win slams, who cares if they're healthy enough to play lots of tournaments people barely care about to build up ranking points? I don't.
W/L ratio is a measure of average performance per match, which is a useful tool as long as u break it down into W/L in slams (important), and disregard W/L in ATP500/250 events (irrelevant).
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Let us breakup win-loss by surface.
Amritia
Hall of Fame
I agree that could also be a useful way of looking at it.
But that has to also include more nuanced analysis.
If Nadal is 90-80 vs a player on clay, but 85-83 down on hard court on grass, you can't just say 'that's 2-1 to the other player'. You also have to take into account the extent of an advantage.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Well, if Fed and Djokovic keep making it to later rounds on clay but Nadal does not do - Nadal gains an advantage.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
OK if you say so internet tough guy lol
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Good post.
I think it is pretty obvious that Novak will end up his career with the most slams. By some counts, he could break Margret Court's record and get to 25.
Nadal and Fed would play for 2nd place.
If Nadal is healthy he can try getting over 20. If not , then Fed will be 2nd.
Nadal is right to conserve his health and not play these tournaments since they are meaningless at this point for all the big 3.
1 slam at this point is greater than 10 masters or WTF.
ionelneica
New User
This year USO Djoko was injured and Nadal took the slam, then Djoko played fine. Now Nadal is injured and Djoko wins Paris and maybe London))). Its no conspiracy))) Then Nadal will be fine for AO and sure clay season where he wins again))))
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