Pete Semper
Rookie
Who's your favorite player without a grand slam ?...im hesiting between Mecir (an another forgotten genious) or Leconte but my vote goes to Miloslav Mecir aka "the cat"...what's your ?
Who's your favorite player without a grand slam ?...im hesiting between Mecir (an another forgotten genious) or Leconte but my vote goes to Miloslav Mecir aka "the cat"...what's your ?
I would say Seles. She doesn't have a Wimbledon title.
I would probably go with T. Martin.
I would have to say Marcelo Rios.
I second that.I would have to say Marcelo Rios.
I would probably go with T. Martin.
Let me guess - you are American .... ?
Condi
Let me guess - you are American .... ?
Condi
Got to agree with this. Rios is the only ATP number one to have never won a singles grand slam.
In the womens game it has to be Pam Shriver (if we are talking about winning a singles slam of course).
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As for you, Condi, many non-Americans love Todd Martin too. My friends from Australia love him too. He was always an honest player (overturning bad calls that went in his favor, etc.) and was a great serve & volley player. Why you would disrespect him and suggest that only Americans like him. And Condi, would it not be safe to assume that you're American too?
Yes, I am. I also stand by my opinion.
Martin was a great player who made the final of two slams (AO and US), losing to two legends along the way> Sampras and Agassi. This to me is a far greater achievement than Rios who only made the finals of one slam, and lost to a nobody like Korda in respects to players of the caliber of Sampras and Agassi.
He also made several semis, including Wimbledon, and was a member of a Winning Davis Cup team. What has Rios, who many have mentioned in this thread done that is greater?
I think Korda won the aussie open..Agree with the Rios vote. And Petr Korda.
Much of the talk going into the 1988 Australian was that she was the popular darkhorse pick to win that tournament.
For the women, Sukova reached 4 grand slam finals without winning. Mary Jo Fernandez reached 3 without a win. Andrea Jaeger almost certainly would've won a grand slam had she not had such a bad shoulder injury. Rosie Casals had grand slam potential but was always in King's shadow. And Shriver had the US Open r/u finish and at least 6 grand slam semi finishes that I can think of off the top of my head. She was a threat on grass at least. Much of the talk going into the 1988 Australian was that she was the popular darkhorse pick to win that tournament.
I hope that's a joke, I have some early round matches from the '88 AO on tape, Drysdale, Stolle, & Carillo all said that tournament wasn't a question of who would win, but how many games/sets Graf would lose in winning the thing. All 3 said they would be more surprised if Graf didn't win the Calendar Grand Slam in '88, than if she did.
BTW, I really hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by you know who, like every other thread in this section seems to, but I guess I'm not helping matters with this post.
Agree with the Rios vote. And Petr Korda.
I think Korda won the aussie open..
My vote goes to Todd Martin as well.. (I'm not American). Another vote to Cedric Pioline.
I hope that's a joke, I have some early round matches from the '88 AO on tape, Drysdale, Stolle, & Carillo all said that tournament wasn't a question of who would win, but how many games/sets Graf would lose in winning the thing. All 3 said they would be more surprised if Graf didn't win the Calendar Grand Slam in '88, than if she did.
BTW, I really hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by you know who, like every other thread in this section seems to, but I guess I'm not helping matters with this post.
Miloslav Mecir, Todd Martin
Helena Sukova, Anke Huber
Its not just Americans that like him, everyone does.
With only 8 singles titles Todd Martin wasn't solid enough on the ATP Tour to be called the best non-GS winner. Pioline is even worse with 5 titles, but IIRC he made many finals before winning his first title. Rios and Enqvist, among others, have way more titles (18 and 19) and also more Masters Series shields I believe.
I'd agree with Mecir. Too bad the two finals he did make, he got absolutely killed by Lendl. He was great to watch.
Hmm, on this basis, Philippoussis has 11 titles, and his two GS finals are on different surfaces (W & UO). He also has at least one MS, and also a Queens (which should be a masters! ).
Haas
Rios
Nalbandian
Philippoussis (Grass)
Coria (Clay)
...it's hard to say who was the BEST player not to win a GS trophy. Any Top 5 or 10 when they were on fire would've been good enough to seriously contend (finalist, maybe? i.e. Marcos and Gonzales), and sometimes when lucky run away with the title (i.e. Johansson and Gaudio).
I once heard Lendl talk about beating him, he said he knew how, that he just had to play 'not very pretty' tennis (I'm paraphrasing here). From memory he said if he fed Mecir pace or gave him width, Mecir would use the pace and also create angles. Again, from memory, Lendl therefore gave him a lot of medium pace balls up the middle, and waited for the mistake or the opportunity.