Advantec Strips and Grip

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Deleted member 768841

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Me personally it doesn’t matter, I change mine every 2-3 weeks at least and I just buy a 30 pack of the Babolat Pro Tour overgrips or whatever and stick with it. Don’t go all out over em, never even heard of this brand.
 

esm

Legend
Lol. Just checked their “Testimonial” page - it was difficult to see if any of the pictured players/customers actually uses the VT products in their frames.... :-D
 

djNEiGht

Legend
Their posts keep popping up in my IG feeds. Finally subscribed /followed.

The price seems a bit outrageous. It’s like how cruise ships sell photos.

Has anyone burned some cash yet for their products?
 
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Deleted member 768841

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Tennisnerd had a post on IG about their products and the comments section read like a flood of paid testimonials from people who may not even be users. That alone makes me very suspicious towards the company.
Yeah, don’t tell the TW staff but I think they are biased in their reviews. I kinda feel they overhype racquets or shoes or brands in general because they are given money, like Nike or Wilson. That’s why I prefer Tennisnerd mainly because the review is humble, no flashy colors or funky music and straight to the point.
 

Thiem's 1HB

Rookie
Looks like a ridiculous product with even more ridiculous claims. Absurd prices.

Website is amateurish too. For example,

"Perishable goods such as food, flowers, newspapers or magazines cannot be returned. We also do not accept products that are intimate or sanitary goods, hazardous materials, or flammable liquids or gases."

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What a bunch of idiots.

All in all, I have zero respect for the company. Even if they gave their products to me for free, I wouldn't use them.
 
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cd3768

Rookie
Checked out the website. I think their prices changed.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
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Bodhi312

New User
I do use VT Advantec products (both grips and strips in various racquets/setups). I know most of the people featured on the company’s website and on its instagram profile. The racquets they’re holding are their normal racquets, and they have strips, grips, or both. They’re all 4.5+ pros and/or players.

Regarding the nature of the grip, it is indeed a replacement grip rather than an over grip.

Below is my personal experience with VT Advantec.

From my experience, the reduced vibration doesn’t feel like muted contact; when I hit a ball more flatly than intended or with too much topspin (too much y axis, not enough x axis), I know it immediately from normal (positive) frame feedback.

The impetus for my use of the products came
as a result of a nasty case of tennis elbow. I was at the point where frame vibration was problematic and painful.

One of the pros at my club was using the same racquet as I was, and knowing I was going to keeping showing up to play (beyond reason), he told me to use his racquet if I insisted on continuing to do so. The pro’s racquet had the strips but was otherwise the same, and after a few hours, my arm was in significantly less pain than normal. So no, the strips (nor the grips) aren’t a miracle cure for technical issues, forearm overuse, or my own idiocy, but the lack of negative vibration was noticeable due to the sensitivity of my forearm/wrist/hand.

I played a few more days with the pro’s racquet, and decided to get the strips (the grips weren’t yet available). After adding the strips to my frames, the amount of feedback was noticeably lower (immediately). Prior to the strips, I’d toyed with using lead to stabilize my frames, but found the strips were a better fit for me.

Regarding the grips, before I started using the grips (which are now on 7 racquets), I tried (in various combinations) adding lead to my handle, using a big brand leather grip, and using the VT Advantec grip. I found the VT Advantec grip alone to be preferable to anything else for me.

As a matter of disclosure, I do know the company’s CEO, though I started to get to know him a few months after I’d started using the products. I should further note that nobody from the company has ever asked or pushed me to purchase or use any of their products. If anything, the CEO is one of the least pushy salesman I’ve ever met. The CEO is now one of my coaches (through happenstance — I joined a USTA team he coaches), and in a few cases, he given me advice regarding the products against his own financial interest (in a few cases, he told me to leave the strips off due to the string setup and the frame I was using until I had a reason to add the strips). Less scrupulous CEOs in his position would probably advise me to cover all my frames in strips and wrap my forearm in grips. That’s not his style.

Almost as a rule, I consider any “revolutionary” technology/quick fix products to be utter nonsense until proven otherwise (either by hard science or at least by personal experience). There are a lot of people in the tennis world selling products that fall horribly short (I still can’t hit my forehand like Roger Federer or serve like Pete Sampras, despite the YouTube advertisements).

I’ve found VT Advantec products to deliver on they’re advertised to offer, which is the same theme of what many racquet manufacturers are trying to offer (ie Countervail, Yonex VDM, etc). Maybe you’ll like those better, but given the return policy, I would say giving VT Advantec products a try is isn’t much of a monetary commitment (not much downside, a lot of upside if it helps you the way it’s helped me).
 

Bodhi312

New User
I stand corrected on the return policy

I stand corrected on the return policy.

Still, as tennis products go, I don’t think the prices are astronomical if the products can follow through on the claims (and you are actually interested in that outcome). Per the website, 2 strips are about $20, 4 are $30, and $35 for the replacement grip.

I do realize that not everybody is willing to chance $20-$35, and that’s fine (especially in this economic climate). I just don’t see a reason to attack a small company for offering a product while not even checking the validity of the claims themselves.

I’ve personally found a lot of value in the products, so I posted regarding my own experience, since nobody on the thread seems to have tried the products (yet have rather strong opinions).
 

topspn

Legend
I stand corrected on the return policy


I stand corrected on the return policy.

Still, as tennis products go, I don’t think the prices are astronomical if the products can follow through on the claims (and you are actually interested in that outcome). Per the website, 2 strips are about $20, 4 are $30, and $35 for the replacement grip.

I do realize that not everybody is willing to chance $20-$35, and that’s fine (especially in this economic climate). I just don’t see a reason to attack a small company for offering a product while not even checking the validity of the claims themselves.

I’ve personally found a lot of value in the products, so I posted regarding my own experience, since nobody on the thread seems to have tried the products (yet have rather strong opinions).
And you seem to have signed up just so you can write a couple of posts of support ;)
 

Bodhi312

New User
And you seem to have signed up just so you can write a couple of posts of support ;)

I’m not sure what you’re pointing out here.

Obviously, I signed up to offer my own experience with the products (and company) since much of what had been posted was based on supposition rather than on experience (either direct or indirect). This is understandable since the company is small, the products are new to market, etc.

I do support the company in the way a person supports any product or any company he believes offers a good product, especially one that is in an early stage. I “support” Yonex, Wilson, Babolat, Head, and Adidas in the same way. Those companies are established and have legions off users, so offering my experience isn’t likely to clear up any misconceptions that may be out there with regard to their products.

If you believe I have ulterior motives, I don’t, but I would be happy to address whatever ulterior motives you think I might have (or anything about which you believe I haven’t been truthful) over DM.
 

topspn

Legend
I’m not sure what you’re pointing out here.

Obviously, I signed up to offer my own experience with the products (and company) since much of what had been posted was based on supposition rather than on experience (either direct or indirect). This is understandable since the company is small, the products are new to market, etc.

I do support the company in the way a person supports any product or any company he believes offers a good product, especially one that is in an early stage. I “support” Yonex, Wilson, Babolat, Head, and Adidas in the same way. Those companies are established and have legions off users, so offering my experience isn’t likely to clear up any misconceptions that may be out there with regard to their products.

If you believe I have ulterior motives, I don’t, but I would be happy to address whatever ulterior motives you think I might have (or anything about which you believe I haven’t been truthful) over DM.
You signed up to support a company you work for or are its owner. You have zero credibility on this forum. We are tennis enthusiast and share ideas and experiences. Really not a smart way on your part to push product.
 

Bodhi312

New User
You signed up to support a company you work for or are its owner. You have zero credibility on this forum. We are tennis enthusiast and share ideas and experiences. Really not a smart way on your part to push product.

I DM’d you information on who I am. I do not work for VT Advantec or any company affiliated with it or with the owner of VT Advantec, nor do I have any sort of debt or equity stake with any of the above; I work for a proprietary trading firm in its Chicago office.
 
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Bodhi312

New User
Sure you do. You have no established reputation here, so your experience with the product and company carries no weight.

I wouldn’t expect word of God level credibility given I don’t spend much time on this forum (or any other). I posted simply because I saw misinformation on a not-well-known set of products with which I happen to have actual experience, so I sought to correct that misinformation.

If that’s not enough for you, then I’ll somehow have to find a way to live with that, but it won’t be easy.
 

zinzan8

Rookie
I wouldn’t expect word of God level credibility given I don’t spend much time on this forum (or any other). I posted simply because I saw misinformation on a not-well-known set of products with which I happen to have actual experience, so I sought to correct that misinformation.

What misinformation did you see here? What misinformation did you correct?

If that’s not enough for you, then I’ll somehow have to find a way to live with that, but it won’t be easy.

Cute.
 

topspn

Legend
You are trying way to hard when all the thread says is outrageous claims for essentially dampening and at very high prices. I just use and have for a very long time a simple #64 elastic band that does the trick for me. If they want to attract players to try simple dampening products then they badly priced by a wide margin. I see they had to drop the pricing from where it was but still way to high to intrigue me. Advice for the new fan poster, don’t try so extra hard to convince long time participants when you have no reputation on these board. None of us trashed the product without trying it but it is dampening material for crying out load with some very lofty claims at crazy pricing.
 

Bodhi312

New User
What misinformation did you see here? What misinformation did you correct?



Cute.

I should say currently inaccurate information rather than misinformation in the case of prices. (Corrected)

Is the grip a replacement grip or an overgrip? (Confirmation that it’s a replacement grip)

Questions regarding whether people in the testimonials actually use the products (they do, at least the ones I know, which is most of them). The products are pretty low profile, so I agree it’s difficult to know which if any products are actually on the racquets.

There was a question of whether anybody has used the products. I have. So I replied.

Admittedly, I was incorrect about the return policy.
 

Bodhi312

New User
You are trying way to hard when all the thread says is outrageous claims for essentially dampening and at very high prices. I just use and have for a very long time a simple #64 elastic band that does the trick for me. If they want to attract players to try simple dampening products then they badly priced by a wide margin. I see they had to drop the pricing from where it was but still way to high to intrigue me. Advice for the new fan poster, don’t try so extra hard to convince long time participants when you have no reputation on these board. None of us trashed the product without trying it but it is dampening material for crying out load with some very lofty claims at crazy pricing.

I’m glad your elastic band is doing the trick for you.

I’m guessing you’re not going to retract the accusation that I’m somebody other than who I said I am in my message to you and in my first post, namely, not affiliated with VT Advantec, but a just a customer of theirs and somebody who knows others who use the products.
 

topspn

Legend
I’m glad your elastic band is doing the trick for you.

I’m guessing you’re not going to retract the accusation that I’m somebody other than who I said I am in my message to you and in my first post, namely, not affiliated with VT Advantec, but a just a customer of theirs and somebody who knows others who use the products.
Are you familiar with the following expression? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. You fit the bill, pun intended :X3:
 

topspn

Legend
Did you happen to notice the word probably in that non-cliched phrase? You seem like a relatively bright person, so I assume you know difference between probably and certainly.
Getting quite boring this point in all honesty not worth all this fuss. Yes, all probabilities and no one know who you are for sure. Hope this makes you happy as i have no intention of being part of this anymore
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
I have a selection of strips and grips coming in the mail. I had a long chat with some of the staff and have the the customer service to be excellent so far. Will post more about the actual products when they arrive.

Sucks to see there's a disconnect between this company and its customers, but hopefully I can shed some light on the situation.
 

topspn

Legend
I have a selection of strips and grips coming in the mail. I had a long chat with some of the staff and have the the customer service to be excellent so far. Will post more about the actual products when they arrive.

Sucks to see there's a disconnect between this company and its customers, but hopefully I can shed some light on the situation.

So have you used them yet?
 

Bodhi312

New User
Does anyone here happen to know the thickness of the grips? (Emailed them- awaiting reply)

The site says 7/8” (so around 22mm). I replaced (stock) Wilson Pro Performance replacement grips with VTAdvantec grips, and the thickness of the handle doesn’t feel any different to me, but I’ve never measured the grips for thickness (admittedly).
 

topspn

Legend
The site says 7/8” (so around 22mm). I replaced (stock) Wilson Pro Performance replacement grips with VTAdvantec grips, and the thickness of the handle doesn’t feel any different to me, but I’ve never measured the grips for thickness (admittedly).
Wow quite thick for leather which is normally around 1.5mm not 2.2
 

esm

Legend
The tennis spin dude released his latest video reviewing these.... I didn’t watch it, but could be entertaining if someone is interested. Lol
 

jugheadfla

Semi-Pro
Wow quite thick for leather which is normally around 1.5mm not 2.2

I don't see on the website that it actually mentions the thickness of the grip, does anyone happen to know? I believe 7/8" is the width and 50" which is the length. How could they not mention the thickness?
 

Bodhi312

New User
Wow quite thick for leather which is normally around 1.5mm not 2.2

I was incorrect. The 7/8” refers to the width of the grip itself, not the thickness off of the handle. 7/8” did seem pretty aggressive.

Just using a rough estimate from a tape measurer and a fresh grip I have, the thickness looks to be around 1/32” (which also seems a bit thin). The company can give a better measurement than I can.

Like I said, replacing the Wilson Pro Performance stock grips with these didn’t make me feel like the handle became materially larger or smaller.
 

Bodhi312

New User
The tennis spin dude released his latest video reviewing these.... I didn’t watch it, but could be entertaining if someone is interested. Lol

It was a fair review I think. The tennis spin guy seems to give his opinion on things pretty honestly (ie I doubt Babolat appreciates him always referring to the Pure Aero as the banana racquet).

Not sure why he kept referring to the strips as lead (they’re definitely not), unless he just meant they could be used purely for weighting purposes. That was the only thing I thought was a little odd.
 
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Aubowser

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The Adventec grip is expensive. The best way to mute vibrations in a frame is to not frame the ball.
Try searching Youtube with "tennis racket customization." For example,
from Racquet Tech. I personally limit my modification of frames to adding a Gamma leather grip and lead tape, to get the balance and overall weight I like. I use a small digital kitchen scale that measures in both grams and ounces.

More than a year ago, I wanted to play with a contemporary racket that would remind me of the old 93 square inch Prince Diablo. First I searched TW for their review of the Diablo. Then I searched for a new frame with similar character.

I found a TW table of frames that showed twist weight. The Diablo had a low twist weight. But I wanted the frame to be more flexible than the Diablo. What I found was the Head Prestige Rev Pro, second edition. It was discontinued but I found a couple new ones offered by a dealer in Toronto for less than $100 each, shipped.

The Rev Pro has a low twist weight, about the same as the Diablo. The table also showed me that the racket I had been playing, the venerable Head oversize microgel radical, has a high twist weight. High twist weight make a racket more stable but harder to make last moment adjustments at the net. Djokovic frames have a high twist weight. But I found my volleys at net suffered with a high twist weight. Djokovic can handle it, but I can't.

You can add twist weight but you can't take it away. Add twist weight by lead taping a frame at the 3 and 9 positions. Many people do that. I taped my Head Radical oversize at the 12 and also added weight to its handle.

Anyhow, I adjusted my Rev Pro weight to 12 ounces strung. When I tried playing with it, my muscle memory told me that it felt like the Diablo, which was 13 ounces. I bought some tungsten putty to put it, wrapped in cotton swabs, in the handle trap door, to get to 13 ounces. I may not do that - I like how it feels at 12.

Anyhow, lots of customization info on the World Wide Web.

If I win the super mega lottery tomorrow I may hire a pro pro shop to modify an old Yonex frame to play just like the ones Shieh Su-Wei uses. She has no racket or clothing contract (ask the mainland China government why). She currently uses a Yonex frame her bother bought but didn't like. She sent it to a shop which replaced the handle with a long one, which enables her to do her dazzling two handed grip changes. I sometimes hit two handed on both sides, but not like she does. It's just because she has better equipment.
 
I got curious, I asked the thickness of their grip on messenger but haven’t gotten an answer yet
@topspn

Hi guys- their reply to me by email was it was similar to a Wilson leather grip. But I simply wanted 2know the thickness in millimetres, so have posed that question to them again, and awaiting now. I too looked on their website and couldn't find it. I suspect like others here, as I spec my racquets all up exactly the same, B4 I go changing over all my rackets to any other grip I want to precisely know their specs.
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
So have you used them yet?
Annoyingly UPS lost my package. The founder has been in contact with me regularly for weeks (he likes my vids haha). They have dropped shipped another package that should arrive tomorrow.

Would anyone here be interested in an interview with one of the co founders of this company?

I bet I could arrange something through The Slice Tennis News.
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
Ok so my package arrived and I've tried out the products. Full disclosure, I did receive these for free. My opinion is not affected by this, and VT Advantec (VTA) never asked for anything in return.

The customer service experience was amazing. I'm sure I was treated a little better than normal, but contact was maintained throughout the shipping process (I experienced seriously delays and a lost package, thanks UPS). I have worked with other companies in the past, and none have been this attentive, caring and informative.

Notes on the packaging: The packaging is very nice, reminiscent of a luxury product. I find it wasteful and a bit pointless, considering much of this product should be purchased for experimentation. I wish there was more environmental consideration and I will be communicating this sentiment.

Impressions on court:

First I will discuss the magnitude of the change in feel. Later I will touch on the qualities of the changed feel.

I have tried two set ups so far. A leather grip and a 2-strip setup. The actual leather on the grip is quite cheap, similar to what you'd find stock on an RF97, worse than offerings from Tourna or Head. I don't really care about this, because I just put an OG on top anyway. The feel was changed dramatically. The difference in feel (not performance) is about the same as switching string materials. In other words, the magnitude of the change in feel is like changing from full bed of poly to a full bed of nylon. It does NOT make it feel like you are changing strings, but the change in feel is of a similar magnitude. I hope that makes sense.

The 2-strip setup feels like half, or two thirds of a leather grip. I put both strips at 6 o'clock to minimize the effect on swingweight, while keeping the strips near the string. I was not advised to do this by VTA, I just did. I will do some experimentation on how location the impacts feel. VTA suggested to me that the location of the strips should not change the feel too much.

Qualities of feel for VTA products.

Immediately, I felt an increase in ball-pocketing sensations. I am not sure why, as usually I attribute ball-pocketing to string performance. The VCORE 95 I use is already relatively dampened, so I was concerned that the VTA material would make performance feel too muted. I can confirm this was NOT the case. I still felt connected to the ball, which is something I did not expect. There is still some muting of feel. For example, there were some shots I hit that would just fly out. Usually I have enough string-bed awareness to understand what I have done wrong. In this case I could not tell. Luckily, I know my racquets well enough to understand that this is usually from making contact too low in the string bed. This seemed to happen more on the 2-strip setup, so I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the placement of the strips. More experimentation to come.

Overall, I am intrigued by this product and will be investigating it further. I do have some Head Extreme Tours on order and will test VTA products on those as well.
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
Also, there is a potential for an interview with one of the founders of VTA. I confronted them on the bad reviews and explained that I wanted to share the truth with the tennis community. The interview isn't a fore sure, but its definitely on the table.

If you have any questions you'd like me to ask VTA, let me know. I'd like to do my best to represent the tennis community. Again, this will happen through The Slice Tennis.
 
Over priced, over rated. Not that Advantec is a bad product, there is only so much lead tape and over grips can do. If you want to over pay go ahead. This is tennis 'gear head' stuff. Don't have anything else to do w/your money spend it on Advantec or take you beautiful wife out for coffee.
 

vectorthurm

Rookie
I just don’t have a clue why the strips would do anything that lead tape can’t. Doesn’t make any sense.
I really nice grip with some tech materials I can understand but the strips? I searched around their website and didn’t really see how they distinguish their strips from standard lead tape. If anyone knows anything I’d love to hear it.
 

topspn

Legend
What it does differently from lead or tungsten strips is it dampens the racquet vibration. So if you like a pretty dampened feel which i don't then it won't work for you.
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
What's the actual science on these — I've been getting their ads as well and their website isn't very specific?
 
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