Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
The shoulder joint with humerus doing internal shoulder rotation (ISR). I don't see any pronation.
Slow playback. Go full screen. For single frame on Youtube use the period & comma keys.
The humerus is rotated by ISR during the high level serve. ISR is the joint motion that provides the most racket head speed at impact.
At the elbow, there are boney parts of the humerus and also ulna and radius boney parts. Tendons may attach close to the elbow. These bones and tendons rotate with the humerus and are an indication of when ISR starts and how many degrees the humerus rotates from start to impact. If the boney parts at the elbow can be observed in high speed videos, then we have a direct observation of ISR and can analyze how effective the serve is likely to be.
Joint motions are based on the joints and bones, not on the fleshy parts of the arm. The bone motions can be difficult to see because the fleshy parts of the arm lag behind rapid motions and flop around. But near the elbow there are bones that stick up and tendon structures that form hollows. The high and low points produce shadows in direct sunlight. Often these shadows may be seen as the arm rotates from ISR.
To do single frame on Youtube use the period & comma keys. The video pauses for seconds, hold down the period key to get past those pauses and single frame back & forth between 0 and 29 milliseconds. An arrow at the elbow indicates the elbow shadow that indicates ISR.
Many serve videos have been posted but observing ISR is mostly not possible because of the lack of direct sunlight and poor image quality of the elbow area. This thread discusses how to set up the camera and the lighting to often directly see ISR. This only requires one video of a representative serve and effective ISR or not can be seen. Otherwise, many other serve issues get attention, toss, footwork, follow through, etc and the main issue for serve technique, ISR, is missed.
1) Frame rate - 240 fps or more.
2) Shutter Speed - Nearly all cameras with high speed video mode, automatically select shutter speed based on available light level. Video in direct sunlight (forget artificial lighting and cloudy skies). Many smartphone cameras can produce high speed videos with small motion blur in direct sunlight.
3) Pick a time of day and court side plus ad or deuce court so that the shadows of your elbow area show well.
4) A behind camera view, as in the video above, shows the elbow, important angles and the ball bounce. The elbow also is going away from the camera and that helps reduce motion blur.
5) The camera should be close to the server, but not distracting. Get a larger image of the elbow area, for example waist up to above racket.
6) You should have a tripod. A taller tripod is often useful. Adapters for smartphones are about $10.
7) You might develop a few hand signals to video after each serve - Thumbs up for a very good serve. Finger down for 'in the net', finger up for 'beyond the service line', other hand signals, etc.
Please post any high speed video close ups of the elbow area in this thread.
The humerus is rotated by ISR during the high level serve. ISR is the joint motion that provides the most racket head speed at impact.
At the elbow, there are boney parts of the humerus and also ulna and radius boney parts. Tendons may attach close to the elbow. These bones and tendons rotate with the humerus and are an indication of when ISR starts and how many degrees the humerus rotates from start to impact. If the boney parts at the elbow can be observed in high speed videos, then we have a direct observation of ISR and can analyze how effective the serve is likely to be.
Joint motions are based on the joints and bones, not on the fleshy parts of the arm. The bone motions can be difficult to see because the fleshy parts of the arm lag behind rapid motions and flop around. But near the elbow there are bones that stick up and tendon structures that form hollows. The high and low points produce shadows in direct sunlight. Often these shadows may be seen as the arm rotates from ISR.
To do single frame on Youtube use the period & comma keys. The video pauses for seconds, hold down the period key to get past those pauses and single frame back & forth between 0 and 29 milliseconds. An arrow at the elbow indicates the elbow shadow that indicates ISR.
Many serve videos have been posted but observing ISR is mostly not possible because of the lack of direct sunlight and poor image quality of the elbow area. This thread discusses how to set up the camera and the lighting to often directly see ISR. This only requires one video of a representative serve and effective ISR or not can be seen. Otherwise, many other serve issues get attention, toss, footwork, follow through, etc and the main issue for serve technique, ISR, is missed.
1) Frame rate - 240 fps or more.
2) Shutter Speed - Nearly all cameras with high speed video mode, automatically select shutter speed based on available light level. Video in direct sunlight (forget artificial lighting and cloudy skies). Many smartphone cameras can produce high speed videos with small motion blur in direct sunlight.
3) Pick a time of day and court side plus ad or deuce court so that the shadows of your elbow area show well.
4) A behind camera view, as in the video above, shows the elbow, important angles and the ball bounce. The elbow also is going away from the camera and that helps reduce motion blur.
5) The camera should be close to the server, but not distracting. Get a larger image of the elbow area, for example waist up to above racket.
6) You should have a tripod. A taller tripod is often useful. Adapters for smartphones are about $10.
7) You might develop a few hand signals to video after each serve - Thumbs up for a very good serve. Finger down for 'in the net', finger up for 'beyond the service line', other hand signals, etc.
Please post any high speed video close ups of the elbow area in this thread.
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