The Nbalde is NO PT630/280!!!!!!!!!maybe the Kblade?

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 13, 2007

My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Well first let me tell you that the Nbalde is no Pro Tour 280 nor PT630. The sound on impact is not even the same. Missing is the thumping sound of the Prestige. The stick in general is very light and for someone who is used to swinging a PT it will feel awkward, it is not stable like the PT630. I would compare it to a Radical. Basically Wilson went out and emulated a Radical MP, IMO. It has a flat beam at the throat like Head and the inside hoop is very flat. Big baseline bashers and sluggers need to look elsewhere or else you will be snapping these nblades in half, so I heard.

Would like to conclude that the nblade is a good stick to add weight which might have potential to spec it out like a PT. I have yet to add weight but I will and let you know. Lead around the grip is a must IMO.

I know there is an nblade club on the forum so maybe they can chime in and tell us what they have done?

Anyway I hope the Kblade will have a bit more weight at the grip

NoBadMojo · Aug 13, 2007

michael chaho said:
My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Well first let me tell you that the Nbalde is no Pro Tour 280 nor PT630. The sound on impact is not even the same. Missing is the thumping sound of the Prestige. The stick in general is very light and for someone who is used to swinging a PT it will feel awkward, it is not stable like the PT630. I would compare it to a Radical. Basically Wilson went out and emulated a Radical MP, IMO. It has a flat beam at the throat like Head and the inside hoop is very flat. Big baseline bashers and sluggers need to look elsewhere or else you will be snapping these nblades in half, so I heard.

Would like to conclude that the nblade is a good stick to add weight which might have potential to spec it out like a PT. I have yet to add weight but I will and let you know. Lead around the grip is a must IMO.

I know there is an nblade club on the forum so maybe they can chime in and tell us what they have done?

Anyway I hope the Kblade will have a bit more weight at the grip

i liked the nBlade but wouldnt call it a light frame in terms of swingweight. In fact, I have no idea how they got so much swingweight out of low static weight frame which isnt head heavy. typically manufacturers strive for something different like more mass and lower swingweight in a 'players type frame', but i thought this was a very nice hit...good at everything and not harsh to hit

pham4313 · Aug 13, 2007

this might be out of nowhere but how do you compare Fischer mspeed number 1 SL vs. pro tour 280? On paper, their specs are quite similar, stiffness around 58-59, static weight 12 oz, swingweight 320-323, 7-8 pts headlight, except one is constant beam, another is 20-25 mm. Any thoughts michael?

jura · Aug 13, 2007

michael chaho said:
My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?

DavidGarcia · Aug 13, 2007

It has been said here many times before, Djoko uses a nBlade customized which would possibly play nothing like the stock racquet.

I doubt any pro would still use a stock racquet!

Alex132 · Aug 14, 2007

only stupid would paint nBlade....no other modern raqcuet looks like it.

jura · Aug 14, 2007

DavidGarcia said:
It has been said here many times before, Djoko uses a nBlade customized which would possibly play nothing like the stock racquet.

I doubt any pro would still use a stock racquet!

It's even not a nBlade, it's a totally different shape. Beside the design his racket hasn't got much in common with nBlade.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

jura said:
Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?

Then maybe it is a PT280 or iprestigeMP ?

0d1n · Aug 14, 2007

I think he was using a LM Radical Tour before, so maybe it's something based on that stick (unless that was a painted one as well

).

PimpMyGame · Aug 14, 2007

I own two nBlades, both still stock. I like the flex it provides and for me the racket feels light. In short I'll be conducting some "experiments" with leading up one of the frames to see how it compares, probably when we get settled into playing indoors over the winter.

Couldn't compare to any of the rackets you mention, because I haven't used them. All I know is that I gave the stiffer frames a go and just didn't get on with them. The nBlade is fine for me.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

pham4313 said:
this might be out of nowhere but how do you compare Fischer mspeed number 1 SL vs. pro tour 280? On paper, their specs are quite similar, stiffness around 58-59, static weight 12 oz, swingweight 320-323, 7-8 pts headlight, except one is constant beam, another is 20-25 mm. Any thoughts michael?

SW on the chinese PT280 is higher than 320. I am not a fan of tapered beams I like constant beams, they do not feel the same, especially the grip. I hate the fischer butt cap unless you like gripping a knob. they have done away with weired butt cap on the new M-Comp and the Mpro98. I would give the Mpro 98 a test drive first. There is zero tolerance now on the New Fishers so they are all the same spec within 1 gram.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

PimpMyGame said:
In short I'll be conducting some "experiments" with leading up one of the frames to see how it compares, probably when we get settled into playing indoors over the winter.

That is the best time for me to test frames. Too many variables when it comes to outdoors. After I have done my indoor experiments then off to the outdoor season to see how they really perform. It is a different experience.

jura · Aug 14, 2007

michael chaho said:
Then maybe it is a PT280 or iprestigeMP ?

It's one of the special molds Wilson offers to the pros which came from Head, like Mathieu or Tursunov and even Djoko. These are not painted Head frames but they are mor similar to Head Prestige or Radical than to any other Wilson frame.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

well for sure it is not an nblade that you and I can buy, like you said

check out the drill holes? does that look like a pattern of a stock nblade? look at 7,9,11 mains and how they meet the cross? on a real Nblade then look below

stock nblade

Pro Tour

Djokovic real stick

It is identical to a Pro Tour 280 and clones where only 8 and 10 mains meet cross which Djokovic has been playing with and got use to all these years

WILSON ARE YOU HEARING ME?!?!?!?! YOU BETTER HAVE THAT DRILL PATTERN ON YOUR NEW KBLADE OR ELSE!!!!!!!! :-(

Mad iX · Aug 14, 2007

Iirc it's a custom frame made by Wilson based on the LM Radical he used before.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

Mad iX said:
Iirc it's a custom frame made by Wilson based on the LM Radical he used before.

I found this in another thread
"Roger Federer and me," Novak laughed on comment about club in which he entered. "People from Wilson company tried to make agreement with me for five years and they "catch me" now finally. I don't know the specification of our agreement, because we didn't ratify that still, but I know it's much better convention then I had with Head. I tried to play with 15-20 different models of Wilson and no one is conform to me. Then they made a copy of my Head racquet, and he is absolutely the same."

pham4313 · Aug 14, 2007

agreed. The last cross of the pro tour is higher than the nblade. djoker plays with a pro tour 280 or a replica from wilson for sure, not the nblade but only using its paintjob.
michael, a side question, what is the swingweight of the chinese PT 280? does this model have twaron in it?

rorschack · Aug 14, 2007

The PT280 has Twaron. Follow the link. Love the PT280/PT630. It's waaaaaaaaay easier to play with than the PC600, which IMO, is over rated!

http://web.archive.org/web/19990911061946/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage.html?PCODE=280

The chinese PT280 swing weight is higher than the Austrian PT630 and all of these got the CAP grommet. For me, I don't have to customize the PT280 at all and I like the way it plays since you can hit pretty heavy balls with that swing weight. I actually busted my elbow badly trying to hit with the Austrian PT630 because it was twisting and unstable. Maybe there was something wrong with that particular racquet? Maybe my swing style requires high swing weight and less head light? Who knows. I had to add lead to make it similar to the PT280 and now it's stable again. Other than that, not much difference. I don't get it why people pay so much more for the used Austrian PT630 than the PT280.

LafayetteHitter · Aug 14, 2007

I think Michael Chaho proved with those pics that noone will have anything other than the same paint job as their new found love of the week when they buy an Nblade. NOW with that said, the Nblade has some nice specs and is a sweet racquet so if it suits the specs you like then by all means try it out. If you are doing it because you think you will be beating your toughest opponent think against and invest the money with a local coach.

Jonny S&V · Aug 14, 2007

0d1n said:
I think he was using a LM Radical Tour before, so maybe it's something based on that stick (unless that was a painted one as well ).

It was, but I'm too lazy to find any pics.

LafayetteHitter · Aug 14, 2007

I heard the Nblade was THE racquet to own now so I got mine yesterday, mine isn't a paint job it's the real Nblade though. Here is a pic right before I was heading to the courts this morning,

I was hoping i'd look like one of the Williams

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

rorschack said:
The chinese PT280 swing weight is higher than the Austrian PT630 and all of these got the CAP grommet. I don't get it why people pay so much more for the used Austrian PT630 than the PT280.

My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

BlackJesus · Aug 14, 2007

jura said:
Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?

With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

AlpineCadet · Aug 14, 2007

BlackJesus said:
With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

Where did you get those numbers from? Do you have any further details?

pham4313 · Aug 14, 2007

michael chaho said:
My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

i assume the chinese PT280 has CAP grommet. That will bring headlightness down less than originally 8 pts HL

rorschack · Aug 14, 2007

pham4313 said:
i assume the chinese PT280 has CAP grommet. That will bring headlightness down less than originally 8 pts HL

Nope, the PT280 and older PT630 don't have CAP. But you can use the CAP from either I.Prestige MP or Liquidmetal Prestige MP. You should add the CAP anyway because it will make the PT280/630 super solid! Of course, adding CAP will make it less Head Light.

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

BlackJesus said:
With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

Well we have now established that they have two drill patterns of 18X20, they of course will have at least one 16X18 or maybe a 16X19. SO if you add only two grip variants a wilson square and a head rectangle then you get many models of the nblade,

BTW, Vantage makes thousands of variants

dacrymn · Aug 14, 2007

Hey, Michael Chaho, what makes you think the nBlade will snap in half? I have one, and I don't want it snapping on me. It doesn't feel that way, it seems stable. Why do you say this?

Pro_Tour_630 · Aug 14, 2007

dacrymn said:
Hey, Michael Chaho, what makes you think the nBlade will snap in half? I have one, and I don't want it snapping on me. It doesn't feel that way, it seems stable. Why do you say this?

I seems like it is on the delicate side at the bottom of the throat, and I can see what they are talking about below after few hitting sessions. Remember this is a new design for Wilson. It is no PS6.1 from the good old days.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=150163&highlight=nblade
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1427921&postcount=13
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1659785&postcount=5
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1659981&postcount=8
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1662995&postcount=15

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=150954

leonidas1982 · Jan 25, 2008

Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.

jace112 · Jan 25, 2008

leonidas1982 said:
Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.

Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

leonidas1982 · Jan 25, 2008

jace112 said:
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

Much thanks. Do you the know the headsize? Thanks again.

AlpineCadet · Jan 25, 2008

jace112 said:
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

My PT630 (Made in Austria) with I.Prestige CAP grommets weighs in at 374grams with leather and an overgrip, strung with ALU 16.

Doc Hollidae · Jan 25, 2008

leonidas1982 said:
Much thanks. Do you the know the headsize? Thanks again.

98 sq. in.

10 Chars

leonidas1982 · Jan 25, 2008

Doc Hollidae said:
98 sq. in.

10 Chars

Thank you. Funny, wilson advertises that Djokovic uses the 93 sqin version.

Bud · Jan 25, 2008

Whoa!

leonidas1982 said:
Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.

jace112 said:
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

AlpineCadet said:
My PT630 (Made in Austria) with I.Prestige CAP grommets weighs in at 374grams with leather and an overgrip, strung with ALU 16.

My stock (no lead) PT630 with factory CAP grommets and a Head genuine calfskin leather grip, rubber band dampener and Yonex SuperGrap overgrip weighs 13.5 oz. or 382 grams. This sucka is heavy! :shock:

Pro_Tour_630 · Jan 27, 2008

I find it rather squirly to pimp a PT630 with an iprestige CAP. There is night and day on how a PT630 should feel with the proper original CAP. Next people will be putting 22's bling bling on their PT

AlpineCadet · Jan 27, 2008

It is quite squirly to insist on having everyone play according to one specific, personal preference. Next, you'll recommend everyone to use the same identical racket. Do you happen to have any for sale? :lol:

pham4313 · Jan 28, 2008

My PT280 with CAPS weights around 350g and 6pts HL, sw~330. Its a beast to swing. I prefer the original short bumper guard on the PT280. It feels much better to swing, especially on serves and fast responses at net.

theone · Jan 28, 2008

michael chaho said:
My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

Do you find a SW of 340 heavy?

Pro_Tour_630 · Jan 28, 2008

pham4313 said:
My PT280 with CAPS weights around 350g and 6pts HL, sw~330. Its a beast to swing. I prefer the original short bumper guard on the PT280. It feels much better to swing, especially on serves and fast responses at net.

yes but you lose some stability, so it is a fine line, read below

theone said:
Do you find a SW of 340 heavy?

Phams PT280 I believe is 340+ and many of the people who add leather and lead. which is why I liked the austrian 630's they generally weigh less my PT are around 330, anything above that I will have issues with handling it during the third set.

hyogen · Mar 24, 2008

Pro_Tour_630 said:
well for sure it is not an nblade that you and I can buy, like you said

check out the drill holes? does that look like a pattern of a stock nblade? look at 7,9,11 mains and how they meet the cross? on a real Nblade then look below

stock nblade

Pro Tour

Djokovic real stick

It is identical to a Pro Tour 280 and clones where only 8 and 10 mains meet cross which Djokovic has been playing with and got use to all these years

WILSON ARE YOU HEARING ME?!?!?!?! YOU BETTER HAVE THAT DRILL PATTERN ON YOUR NEW KBLADE OR ELSE!!!!!!!! :-(

wow very astute observation

AlpineCadet · Mar 24, 2008

hyogen said:
wow very astute observation

Djokovic has been photographed using a LM Radical frame with physical Liquidmetal ridges, yet he has never been photographed using the PT630, which shares the same exact string pattern/grommets. It's speculation to say that he uses the PT, but it would not be speculation to say that he stayed with his LM Radical and kept the same string pattern, but is just using a Wilson clone instead.

BTW, you should check out: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=164020&highlight=djokovic+radical&page=5

Pro_Tour_630 · Mar 24, 2008

hyogen said:
wow very astute observation

thanks for the complement I was the first to out Jokers racket as not being what he was using just by looking at the string pattern, PT30 or not it is no Nblade nor Kblade, that was the point.

As for it being a PT630, could be, as for it being an LM radical , it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few. I have seen the wells on the side where it shows it is a PT 630/iprestige MP MOLD, Right now he does not have ridges SO it could be a PT630/iprestige MP Mold. I am in contact with a person who has the exact model the Djoker is playing with TODAY and the investigation is ongoing, I am waiting to hear from him soon, we are emailing back and forth.

jelle v · Mar 24, 2008

Pro_Tour_630 said:
thanks for the complement I was the first to out Jokers racket as not being what he was using just by looking at the string pattern, PT30 or not it is no Nblade nor Kblade, that was the point.

As for it being a PT630, could be, as for it being an LM radical , it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few. I have seen the wells on the side where it shows it is a PT 630/iprestige MP MOLD, Right now he does not have ridges SO it could be a PT630/iprestige MP Mold. I am in contact with a person who has the exact model the Djoker is playing with TODAY and the investigation is ongoing, I am waiting to hear from him soon, we are emailing back and forth.

Wow really curious.. I'va always thought that it is a PT630 he uses.. Or maybe that yellow radical (agassi?)..

I always wonder about one thing though.. Djokovic is what.. 22 years old? Let's just assume that he was about 13 or 14 years old when he started playing his "final" racket and assume he, at some point, bought his rackets in a store. That's about 8 or 9 years ago, 1999 or so. PT 630 wasn't there anymore to buy in stores, or was it? When was the Pt630 sold? Or does it not work that way?

AlpineCadet · Mar 24, 2008

as for it being an LM radical, it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few.

Good post, PT. But for me personally, they were quite clear. If anyone wants to see a few pictures, here are the physical Liquidmetal ridges with the same color tone:

AlpineCadet · Mar 24, 2008

Here are few more if you want to see the physical ridges from the LM Radical mold. Also, his beam is much thicker than the PT630 mold. See below for details.

Pro_Tour_630 · Mar 24, 2008

AlpineCadet said:
Good post, PT. But for me personally, they were quite clear. If anyone wants to see a few pictures, here are the physical Liquidmetal ridges with the same color tone:

we have seen these before could not make out the ridges

Pro_Tour_630 · Mar 24, 2008

AlpineCadet said:

that is the only one I can make out the ridges,

But look at the wells it is not an LM radical well on the bottom of the grommet, it is not round U, it is more square I_I which tells me it is a PT280/Iprestige MP mold

AlpineCadet · Mar 24, 2008

Pro_Tour_630 said:
we have seen these before could not make out the ridges

Hey PT630, the head shape of his frame is a bit different from a PT630, don't you agree? The shape of the PT630 is more oval than the tear drop shape of the Radical.

The Nbalde is NO PT630/280!!!!!!!!!maybe the Kblade?

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