I *also* play D3 Tennis, AMA

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
I currently play at Sewanee: University of the South as a sophomore. We got a historically great program out here; women’s and men’s. I would love to hear people’s questions about D3 tennis and my personal experience. (I honestly saw the other two threads and wanted to get on the trend!)
 

Matthew Lee

Professional
How many hours do you spend at the gym and on the courts per week?
Just curious bc I have a friend that is thinking of going "professional" and he doesn't seem to play more than an two to three hours per day. He's confident he can beat most college tennis players in a couple of years.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
How many hours do you spend at the gym and on the courts per week?
Just curious bc I have a friend that is thinking of going "professional" and he doesn't seem to play more than an two to three hours per day. He's confident he can beat most college tennis players in a couple of years.
During the season (both Fall ITA and spring), we will play Tuesday-Saturday from 2-3 hours a day. We also do conditioning on most of those days as well. Occasionally, we’ll have a set hour at some point just for conditioning.

Regarding gym work, we don’t have set times for lifts but most of us players will go out together and lift when there isn’t class. We don’t have any conditioning coaches unlike other schools so we do our own stuff.
 

am1899

Legend
How many hours do you spend at the gym and on the courts per week?
Just curious bc I have a friend that is thinking of going "professional" and he doesn't seem to play more than an two to three hours per day. He's confident he can beat most college tennis players in a couple of years.

During season our kids are on court 10 hours/week minimum, but more than that if there are matches in a given week. Lifts are structured, initially 3-4 days/week, tapering some as the seasons progress.

Over the years I’ve met a handful of players who mentioned something in that way, “thinking about going professional.” Most of them had a completely distorted view of their own ability compared to would be competitors. As the saying goes, “confidence is silent, insecurity is loud.” Haven’t seen your friend play obviously, so take it FWIW.
 
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Matthew Lee

Professional
Thanks for the input from both of you guys. It's a little surprising to hear that 2-3 hours a day is what seems to be the general case, but I do think that I forgot that college has much more than pure tennis, what with classes and social life, etc.
You would think that a recent college graduate would have remembered that.

As for my friend, it's a mixed case. I would never say to his face that I doubt his abilities and/or his dream.
However, in all honesty, I heavily doubt his chances. He's 5 foot 10 with a serve that is average at best, has groundstrokes that need improvement, and his only upside is that he knows how to grind out points. I guess that he's physically in good shape (low body fat, good muscles, etc.), but I don't think that there's much chance that he's going to beat others who have been playing tennis at a far younger age and with much more intensity. Guess I just have to give him the benefit of doubt.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
As for my friend, it's a mixed case. I would never say to his face that I doubt his abilities and/or his dream.
However, in all honesty, I heavily doubt his chances. He's 5 foot 10 with a serve that is average at best, has groundstrokes that need improvement, and his only upside is that he knows how to grind out points. I guess that he's physically in good shape (low body fat, good muscles, etc.), but I don't think that there's much chance that he's going to beat others who have been playing tennis at a far younger age and with much more intensity. Guess I just have to give him the benefit of doubt.
It’s funny some guys who never played Jr tourneys fall in love with tennis and think they can become a pro and play Grand Slam. son met one of those at a prize $-guy had go fund me page, was UTR 9 and thought he would be playing Big 3 (this was 4 years ago) in a few years. Totally delusional. Son who had just graduated HS beat him 1,2. Guy is still playing adult tourneys 5 years later. Guy lost 0,0 to UTR 10 recently but did lose in 3 to 10.7. Guy should just join 4.5 team
 

Matthew Lee

Professional
It’s funny some guys who never played Jr tourneys fall in love with tennis and think they can become a pro and play Grand Slam. son met one of those at a prize $-guy had go fund me page, was UTR 9 and thought he would be playing Big 3 (this was 4 years ago) in a few years. Totally delusional. Son who had just graduated HS beat him 1,2. Guy is still playing adult tourneys 5 years later. Guy lost 0,0 to UTR 10 recently but did lose in 3 to 10.7. Guy should just join 4.5 team
Honestly, I wish that my friend would play one session against any college player and understand the difference that there is. Both of us attended a university with a low D1 tennis program, but those guys would easily sweep the floor with either of us. And most of those athletes seem to have no aspiration to play professionally. Wish my friend could accept the "harsh" reality at some point..
 

sovertennis

Professional
I was an asst coach for two years at a D3 school, which, at the time, was a perennial national top 3. The first five on the roster all had D1 offers but chose a D3 school b/c although they were all confident, accomplished jr players they knew they had no chance of a pro career and wanted an elite education. This made for a team dynamic in which everyone had only aspirations for a successful team, without any individual player looking beyond college for a tennis career. Also, the coach was a genius at team building.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
@LiamMiguel: Do you receive any scholarships from Sewanee, either merit or financial aid? My son also looked at Sewanee but the overall cost is around 70K and he didn't receive any merit or financial aid so he decided to attend UVA at less than half the cost. Anyone on the team attend the school as full-play? How is the academic there? Difficult, moderate, easy?
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
@LiamMiguel: Do you receive any scholarships from Sewanee, either merit or financial aid? My son also looked at Sewanee but the overall cost is around 70K and he didn't receive any merit or financial aid so he decided to attend UVA at less than half the cost. Anyone on the team attend the school as full-play? How is the academic there? Difficult, moderate, easy?
I received both merit and financial aid from Sewanee, got cost down to a very reasonable amount. No one on the team attends on a full-ride.

Academics really depends on the department at Sewanee. Our departments in economics and business (and really anything similar) are known to be pretty solid. Our STEM departments (which is where I’m at) aren’t bad either. Difficulty of classes also depends on professors on how they teach (or don’t teach).
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
I currently play at Sewanee: University of the South as a sophomore. We got a historically great program out here; women’s and men’s. I would love to hear people’s questions about D3 tennis and my personal experience. (I honestly saw the other two threads and wanted to get on the trend!)
How many players play all 4 years? With 16-20 players on roster, how many guys get to play singles and dubs? Is D3 7 points vs 9 pts this year? Did u have guys who were dubs specialists that hate the change? Where does Suwanee fit in D3 landscape? I think NEScac and UAA are top plus CMS with those guys 4 and 5 stars. The guys in GA who went to Suwanee-lot of them- were 2-4 stars-played HS tennis + sectional USTA.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
It’s funny some guys who never played Jr tourneys fall in love with tennis and think they can become a pro and play Grand Slam. son met one of those at a prize $-guy had go fund me page, was UTR 9 and thought he would be playing Big 3 (this was 4 years ago) in a few years. Totally delusional. Son who had just graduated HS beat him 1,2. Guy is still playing adult tourneys 5 years later. Guy lost 0,0 to UTR 10 recently but did lose in 3 to 10.7. Guy should just join 4.5 team
When I played college at D3 back in the 90's, my doubles partner (who was a freshman when I was a junior) was convinced he could "go pro". We were an average D3 tennis program. He was a slightly cocky kid from a small town, but honestly thought it was a realistic goal. I think it probably took him a season of D3 college tennis to realize that goal was essentially unobtainable.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
How many players play all 4 years? With 16-20 players on roster, how many guys get to play singles and dubs? Is D3 7 points vs 9 pts this year? Did u have guys who were dubs specialists that hate the change? Where does Suwanee fit in D3 landscape? I think NEScac and UAA are top plus CMS with those guys 4 and 5 stars. The guys in GA who went to Suwanee-lot of them- were 2-4 stars-played HS tennis + sectional USTA.
I’d say in the last several years, 90% of our players stayed all 4 years. Last season, the main lineup consisted of (usually) 8 players, with 2 doubles specialists, which I was. I believe that this year, the doubles will only be a 1 point clinch. As someone that was a specialist last year, I felt like it kind of lowered the importance of doubles but at the same time, I think it’s not the worst.

I’d say Sewanee easily fits in the top 30 D3 teams this year. Last year, we had a pretty young team (a recruiting class of 6 freshman) as well as some injuries. This year, we all got better and also got a transfer who got second in ITA Regionals this year as the first seed. I truly believe that we will break top 20 this year, like the team has done historically as well as hopefully get farther than the second round of NCAA. We had good results this previous ITA regional, being competitive with Emory and NC Wesleyan which was a pretty good sign for us individually.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I’d say in the last several years, 90% of our players stayed all 4 years. Last season, the main lineup consisted of (usually) 8 players, with 2 doubles specialists, which I was. I believe that this year, the doubles will only be a 1 point clinch. As someone that was a specialist last year, I felt like it kind of lowered the importance of doubles but at the same time, I think it’s not the worst.

I’d say Sewanee easily fits in the top 30 D3 teams this year. Last year, we had a pretty young team (a recruiting class of 6 freshman) as well as some injuries. This year, we all got better and also got a transfer who got second in ITA Regionals this year as the first seed. I truly believe that we will break top 20 this year, like the team has done historically as well as hopefully get farther than the second round of NCAA. We had good results this previous ITA regional, being competitive with Emory and NC Wesleyan which was a pretty good sign for us individually.
What’s the typical UTR range for the players actively playing on the main lineup of the team - high for #1 to low for the #8?
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
About from high 11 to low 10.
Thanks. Our club had a lot of UTR Open tournaments last year during the pandemic and many were won by D1 players who seemed to be between 12 to 13.5. Finalists were from places like Princeton, BYU, UCLA, USC etc. One of our coaches is around 11.5 and used to make it to the semis along with other lower division college players. Pity that now that the college kids are not doing online classes anymore, we don’t have as many tournaments.
 

am1899

Legend
Thanks for the input from both of you guys. It's a little surprising to hear that 2-3 hours a day is what seems to be the general case, but I do think that I forgot that college has much more than pure tennis, what with classes and social life, etc.
You would think that a recent college graduate would have remembered that.

As a former D1 player, my perspective working with a D3 program is that there is generally a stronger emphasis on academics

As for my friend, it's a mixed case. I would never say to his face that I doubt his abilities and/or his dream.
However, in all honesty, I heavily doubt his chances. He's 5 foot 10 with a serve that is average at best, has groundstrokes that need improvement, and his only upside is that he knows how to grind out points. I guess that he's physically in good shape (low body fat, good muscles, etc.), but I don't think that there's much chance that he's going to beat others who have been playing tennis at a far younger age and with much more intensity. Guess I just have to give him the benefit of doubt.

Yeah it doesn’t sound likely. But anything is possible I guess.
 
How much do you practice in the winter? Are you still able to play almost everyday or is it hard with the weather and it not being official season.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
How much do you practice in the winter? Are you still able to play almost everyday or is it hard with the weather and it not being official season.
We practice almost every day (captain’s practices) for about 2 hours and have our own lifts or the scheduled team lifts. We are lucky to have 3 indoor courts here so we will schedule practices in accordance with our women’s team.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
What is equipment like? Does coach just ask everyone what they use and he/she gets you 5 racquets of that kind? Do you supply your own string?
Rackets here aren’t supplied like most D3 (I think at least), but we are given discounts on all Wilson and Yonex as we have accounts with them. I got my Blade Pros through our Wilson account so I was pretty grateful there. Most of the team uses Wilson or Yonex anyways so it works out perfectly.

Regarding strings, we are provided strings as long as there’s a good amount of people using them across both teams. For example, we now have a lot of players using Volkl Cyclone, Tour Bite, and Hyper-G so we are provided that string for free. On the other hand, strings that are expensive or something people don’t widely use, like Luxilon (which isn’t under our Wilson account) or Technifibre, aren’t provided and players will have to get that for themselves.
 
What NTRP are you? I returned serves for 30 minutes against a player at a local D3 and would like to know roughly what level I was facing. I saw in the other D3 thread it said most D3 players are 4.5 but I am not sure how much I believe this.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
My buddies played D3 (Mary Washington in VA)

They can smoke me, but it's not like total slaughter. I can ace them and pass them.

Whereas a D1 player, there's not much I can do at all.

I would say D3 range is like 4.0-5.5 @optic yellow
 
My buddies played D3 (Mary Washington in VA)

They can smoke me, but it's not like total slaughter. I can ace them and pass them.

Whereas a D1 player, there's not much I can do at all.

I would say D3 range is like 4.0-5.5 @optic yellow
You are 4.5 right? I will tell myself he is 5.0. The amount and variety of spin he was able to generate on his serves and the cleanliness of his short ball putaways make me think this is not complete delusion.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
You are 4.5 right?

Not right now, but when not injured, probably. I've been getting blown out at UTR tournaments the past few weeks, so my rating is in the toilet as I work back to full strength.

Even at full strength I would lose badly to GSG though. lol
 
Not right now, but when not injured, probably. I've been getting blown out at UTR tournaments the past few weeks, so my rating is in the toilet as I work back to full strength.

Even at full strength I would lose badly to GSG though. lol
So you're saying your friends are high 4.5s or maybe low 5.0s? It's funny you say that btw. I watch GSG and think I would easily beat him on an average day. I think maybe goes to illustrate the importance of playstyle matchups and familiarity.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
So you're saying your friends are high 4.5s or maybe low 5.0s? It's funny you say that btw. I watch GSG and think I would easily beat him on an average day. I think maybe goes to illustrate the importance of playstyle matchups and familiarity.

Maybe I would win but it's too risky to say that lol. Like I know I'm less consistent but maybe I actually hit hard/spinny enough to get it done. Who knows.

My D3 college friends are probably 5.0-5.5 honestly. One of them was from Russia and was the #1 player on that team (now deceased sadly). The second best guy was only a little worse. And the third best guy is the one I always play with (haven't played with the others in years).

I did have a hit with a D1 player recently and TBH the difference was not as big as I expected from the D3 guys. Although they were on a championship team so that's to be expected--although he was currently olaying and they are all 30-32 now. He was at Boston College I think. I was able to smoke one ace by him and he said "no one was getting that ball"

So maybe I'll amend my other statement about not being able to do much against a D1 player, that was based on playing against guys who went to like UNC and stuff.

So they are not invulnerable. Just very very strong. lol
 
Maybe I would win but it's too risky to say that lol. Like I know I'm less consistent but maybe I actually hit hard/spinny enough to get it done. Who knows.
Yeah I think it's just that the way he wins doesn't intimidate me because I have a game strongly built on junkballing. I would hit a lot more things for winners than I see his average opponent does even though I would lose to his average opponent handily if I tried to trade topspin with them from the baseline.

My D3 college friends are probably 5.0-5.5 honestly. One of them was from Russia and was the #1 player on that team (now deceased sadly). The second best guy was only a little worse. And the third best guy is the one I always play with (haven't played with the others in years).
Yeah I'll assume this guy is 5.0 then. Three different spins on a second serve with equal capability + the short putaways looked like what I see in 5.0 videos where its the flat fade and there is absolutely zero doubt its getting hit for a winner.

I did have a hit with a D1 player recently and TBH the difference was not as big as I expected from the D3 guys. Although they were on a championship team so that's to be expected--although he was currently olaying and they are all 30-32 now. He was at Boston College I think. I was able to smoke one ace by him and he said "no one was getting that ball"

So maybe I'll amend my other statement about not being able to do much against a D1 player, that was based on playing against guys who went to like UNC and stuff.

So they are not invulnerable. Just very very strong. lol
Yeah it would make sense there is a big gap between top D1 and lesser D1.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
What NTRP are you? I returned serves for 30 minutes against a player at a local D3 and would like to know roughly what level I was facing. I saw in the other D3 thread it said most D3 players are 4.5 but I am not sure how much I believe this.
I played NTRP 5.0 this summer. I had never played adult leagues before so I just got myself self-rated and played doubles.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Hi Liam, it looks like you are headed for a very successful season. Congratulations on your national rankings. I would certainly think you would do very well at 5.0 especially in dubs from what I can see. I look forward to watching you play in the Spring.
 

am1899

Legend
I did have a hit with a D1 player recently and TBH the difference was not as big as I expected from the D3 guys.

Some of that, I think, is a testament to changing times. It’s a lot more common these days for a strong prospect to forgo a D1 scholarship in favor of going to play tennis at a D3 school.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
Hi Liam, it looks like you are headed for a very successful season. Congratulations on your national rankings. I would certainly think you would do very well at 5.0 especially in dubs from what I can see. I look forward to watching you play in the Spring.
Appreciate it! Looking to build on the momentum.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
What’s the culture like?
We have a very family-like culture here. Both teams are really close to one another and we will support each other both on and off the court. Like we’re always out eating with other, going out to parties or whatever like normal college students, working out, studying, just always together which helps our chemistry and just morale once the spring hits.

Sewanee in general is a very small school so we have a huge community vibe and that’s part of the culture too. Our new athletic director (old tennis director since like the 80s) has introduced this “One Team, One Family” mindset this year and it’s brought a lot of the sports teams together and has changed the mindset in many teams.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
We have a very family-like culture here. Both teams are really close to one another and we will support each other both on and off the court....."
Sounds a lot like the atmospere at Kalamazoo College. It's probably like that for most Div. II and lower end Div. I
 
Sounds a lot like the atmospere at Kalamazoo College. It's probably like that for most Div. II and lower end Div. I
It's what I observe with the players at the D3 near me. But to be honestly I think it is generally this way with most college sports teams from NAIA to high D1 because it's just an obvious nucleus for a social group to form.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
We have a very family-like culture here. Both teams are really close to one another and we will support each other both on and off the court. Like we’re always out eating with other, going out to parties or whatever like normal college students, working out, studying, just always together which helps our chemistry and just morale once the spring hits.

How do you find the time to go out partying and live like normal students? Where do you even find the time? I asked because my son is studying Computer Science at UVA and he barely has time for any activities besides studying. CS at UVA is brutal for him. Even with that, his grade is not that good either.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
Sounds a lot like the atmospere at Kalamazoo College. It's probably like that for most Div. II and lower end Div. I
I’ve heard that as well, we actually play Zoo this coming spring so that’ll be fun. I don’t really know why a school from Michigan is coming down to play us but at least I can sleep in my own bed.
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
How do you find the time to go out partying and live like normal students? Where do you even find the time? I asked because my son is studying Computer Science at UVA and he barely has time for any activities besides studying. CS at UVA is brutal for him. Even with that, his grade is not that good either.
There’s not much to it other than we just do. A big component with our coaches is having this balance; and that comes with time management and just making sure we’re all like alive. Most people on the team have usually 2 classes a day (then there’s me, a STEM major, who has multiple labs but I’m an outlier haha) and then we have our 2 hour practices and conditioning. That’s about 5-6 hours of set work a day and in between all of that, we usually do all our studying and homework, so we have time to chill out and do other things.

Our coaches also just want us to live normal college lives (especially during off season) as they know we’re not gonna go pro or anything and we’re here for a good education. They also know how tolling everything can be on one’s mental health. It’s basically, as long as we get our stuff done, we can do what we want on the side. For example, I’m also the school’s main sports photographer and videographer. If I have a game to attend or a lot of things to edit, I do all my homework during the day in between classes, and make time later in the night. I also make time for being part of multiple organizations here and being our principal bassist in our symphony orchestra. But the only reason I can do all of that is because of halfway decent time management.

To add on even more, most of my professors have VOWED to try not to have work due on Friday nights so that we can have fun at frats and stuff as well as just chill out and ground ourselves during the weekend and pick things back up on Sunday.
 
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