How to Call a Footfault

tennis3

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  • Set the Expectation. Most people don’t expect their opponent to call footfaults. If you plan on calling footfaults, let your opponent(s) know before the match starts. For example, I played in a tournament where the umpire called everyone together before we were sent out to our courts. (She actually did this before every round, not just the first round). She let us know that her main job at the tournament was calling footfaults. Because everyone knew what to expect beforehand, there weren’t any arguments about footfaults (that I was aware of).

  • Call Footfaults from the start of the match. What I often see happening is that people call a footfault for the first time late in a set even though their opponent has been footfaulting the entire match. This unfair. If you are going to let footfaults slide most of the match, don’t start calling them on key points. It smacks of gamesmanship.

  • Call Footfaults on Everyone. I often hear people say that they only call footfaults on “big servers”. The rationale being, that big servers get an advantage from footfaulting (but others don’t?). This is unfair. If your concern is with footfaulting, it doesn’t matter how good of a server your opponent is. Weak servers footfault just as much as good servers. Footfaulting is about stepping on or over the line. Not about how good of serve your opponent has. You can’t discriminate and only call footfaults on opponents whose serve is giving you problems. Either call it on everyone, or don’t call it at all. If you only call it on “big servers”, it seems pretty clear what your real motive is.

  • Footfaulting isn’t a Moral Issue. A footfault is just a service fault. When you call a footfault, don’t try to imply that your opponent is cheating (or is in some way morally inferior). I’m sure you don’t “moralize” to opponents when you call their serve long. As if they’ve done something wrong. So don’t do it on footfaults either.

  • Footfaulting is Just Another Call. Don’t stop play to explain your footfault call to your opponent. Just call it and get ready to receive the next serve. Just like you’d do if called their serve long. It’s really unfair to make the server listen to you “sermonize”. Especially if it’s between their first and second serve.

  • Don't call a Footfault only on opponents good serves. You need to call footfaults on all serves where your opponent footfaults. Not just on their good serves (ace, unreturnable or weak return). You also can't decide to call a footfault after you miss a return.

  • You might offer to play a let on the first few footfault calls. This obviously isn't required by the rules, but if your intent is to maintain goodwill and keep the match friendly, you might consider playing a let on the first few footfaults you call. Let your opponent know that you aren't out to get them. That you want to give them a chance to make adjustments early in the match, so the footfault call doesn't become "critical" late in a match in a big point. Just be sure to let your opponent know when you are going to stop playing a let and you are going to call a fault on the next footfault.


Having said this, if your real motive is to use the footfault call as a gamesmanship tactic, then simply do the opposite of everything I’ve suggested above. Try to provoke your opponent as much as possible. It’s a great way to make your opponent so angry they lose focus on the match. It’s also a great way to disrupt the rhythm of a match. Just make sure you keep repeating that you are “just following the rules”. Also be sure to imply as often as possible that your opponent is a cheater.



Good luck!
 
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ichaseballs

Professional
who called foot fault?!

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J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
  • Set the Expectation. Most people don’t expect their opponent to call footfaults. If you plan on calling footfaults, let your opponent(s) know before the match starts. For example, I played in a tournament where the umpire called everyone together before we were sent out to our courts. (She actually did this before every round, not just the first round). She let us know that her main job at the tournament was calling footfaults. Because everyone knew what to expect beforehand, there weren’t any arguments about footfaults (that I was aware of).

  • Call Footfaults from the start of the match. What I often see happening is that people call a footfault for the first time late in a set even though their opponent has been footfaulting the entire match. This unfair. If you are going to let footfaults slide most of the match, don’t start calling them on key points. It smacks of gamesmanship.

  • Call Footfaults on Everyone. I often hear people say that they only call footfaults on “big servers”. The rationale being, that big servers get an advantage from footfaulting (but others don’t?). This is unfair. If your concern is with footfaulting, it doesn’t matter how good of a server your opponent is. Weak servers footfault just as much as good servers. Footfaulting is about stepping on or over the line. Not about how good of serve your opponent has. You can’t discriminate and only call footfaults on opponents whose serve is giving you problems. Either call it on everyone, or don’t call it at all. If you only call it on “big servers”, it seems pretty clear what your real motive is.

  • Footfaulting isn’t a Moral Issue. A footfault is just a service fault. When you call a footfault, don’t try to imply that your opponent is cheating (or is in some way morally inferior). I’m sure you don’t “moralize” to opponents when you call their serve long. As if they’ve done something wrong. So don’t do it on footfaults either.

  • Footfaulting is Just Another Call. Don’t stop play to explain your footfault call to your opponent. Just call it and get ready to receive the next serve. Just like you’d do if called their serve long. It’s really unfair to make the server listen to you “sermonize”. Especially if it’s between their first and second serve.

  • Don't call a Footfault only on opponents good serves. You need to call footfaults on all serves where your opponent footfaults. Not just on their good serves (ace, unreturnable or weak return). You also can't decide to call a footfault after you miss a return.

  • You might offer to play a let on the first few footfault calls. This obviously isn't required by the rules, but if your intent is to maintain goodwill and keep the match friendly, you might consider playing a let on the first few footfaults you call. Let your opponent know that you aren't out to get them. That you want to give them a chance to make adjustments early in the match, so the footfault call doesn't become "critical" late in a match in a big point. Just be sure to let your opponent know when you are going to stop playing a let and you are going to call a fault on the next footfault.


Having said this, if your real motive is to use the footfault call as a gamesmanship tactic, then simply do the opposite of everything I’ve suggested above. Try to provoke your opponent as much as possible. It’s a great way to make your opponent so angry they lose focus on the match. It’s also a great way to disrupt the rhythm of a match. Just make sure you keep repeating that you are “just following the rules”. Also be sure to imply as often as possible that your opponent is a cheater.



Good luck!

What if, hear me out, you just shut up and hit the ball.

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Robert F

Hall of Fame
I have never called a foot fault in my life and I don’t plan to start now. I’m watching the ball not my opponents feet.
I guess that could be a strategic decision. After hitting a few returns you realize your opponent is 4' in the court after the serve.
Do you risk missing the line call, maybe even missing the ball to see if the guy hits the ball before he lands?

Then when your opponent gives you crap for calling a foot fault, you can tell him he got 2 aces earlier because you were watching his feet and not the ball, so you decided to take the calculated risk.

In doubles I feel there is a better opportunity--receiver can tell his partner to watch for a foot fault while he/she watches the ball/lines.

I guess the other hard thing is with ball calls, your opponent can at least see if it was pretty damn close, they might disagree but if it is close they aren't going to waste time putting up a fight.
I think many people would have no clue if they are foot faulting or believe they hit ball before landing.
 

silverwyvern4

Semi-Pro
Does the USTA "Friend at the Court " rules apply to leagues? It says you can't call footfault without first warning opponent multiple times and you cant call things like double bounce or your opponent reaching over the net
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
Does the USTA "Friend at the Court " rules apply to leagues? It says you can't call footfault without first warning opponent multiple times and you cant call things like double bounce or your opponent reaching over the net
It's such an undefined a weird exception to so many other rules. Could you imagine warning your opponent you are going to start calling their serve out if they don't hit it in the box?
They should make the rule clearer---give them 2 lets before you start counting faults or something.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
I have seen that video before, but it’s still hysterical! I have a good friend I play frequently, he’s very fast so he runs down a lot of balls, but 100 out of 100 times when the double bounce scenario happens, he claims he gets it in one bounce. It drives me crazy.

My favorite is when the other guy is foot faulting 8' into the court.
 
Reading some of these posts, it sounds like people are calling foot-faults in singles. I can't imagine a scenario in which I'd be able to do that unless my opponent is taking several steps into the court - which has never happened. In doubles, on the other hand, where there is a net man who can watch the server's feet and a receiver who can call faults, it's another story. I like the OP's advice and would probably follow it. The challenge is that, in many, many league matches, I only came across one egregious foot faulter - so other than that one time it was not necessary to have the discussion at all.
 

Creighton

Professional
Reading some of these posts, it sounds like people are calling foot-faults in singles. I can't imagine a scenario in which I'd be able to do that unless my opponent is taking several steps into the court - which has never happened. In doubles, on the other hand, where there is a net man who can watch the server's feet and a receiver who can call faults, it's another story. I like the OP's advice and would probably follow it. The challenge is that, in many, many league matches, I only came across one egregious foot faulter - so other than that one time it was not necessary to have the discussion at all.

I don't think anyone is actually calling a foot fault. We're all just fantasizing about having the courage to call it once in a match.

I've never called it in a match and usually just notice it during the warmup. But then in the match when the stress comes in, usually their serves drop off so it really isn't making a difference. However, I went to my club the other day to play and noticed one of the 4.0 guys practicing his serve and it was so blatantly obvious how far he was moving into the court. If I was playing him in singles and he was doing that, I would probably say something to him because it was so egregious. Honestly, I was surprised no one had said anything to him in the past.
 
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Slicehand

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This is what I’ve always wondered too
I cant even see if a ball goes in in a fast rally, you just dont see the line from so far, and on clay its even worse as clay covers the line quite a lot, to me its impossible to call foot foults in a fair way from there, unless the other guy is putting his foot one meter inside the baseline
 

Creighton

Professional
Is USTA friend at the court rulebook and official binding rulebook?

Yes

I cant even see if a ball goes in in a fast rally, you just dont see the line from so far, and on clay its even worse as clay covers the line quite a lot, to me its impossible to call foot foults in a fair way from there, unless the other guy is putting his foot one meter inside the baseline

I don't think anyone is seriously considering calling a foot fault someone touching the line. It's the people who move into the court, which you should be able to see even playing singles.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
I cant even see if a ball goes in in a fast rally, you just dont see the line from so far, and on clay its even worse as clay covers the line quite a lot, to me its impossible to call foot foults in a fair way from there, unless the other guy is putting his foot one meter inside the baseline
If you start watching the feet and just let the guy get free serves, you'd be amazed how many people are foot faulting. Just touching the line, breaks the rule, but probably has low impact. Somewhere you are going to start finding guys who are a foot plus in before they make contact with the ball. Some will pinpoint on the line and just before they hit take another step in.
 

BallBag

Professional
I like the passive-aggressive route of starting your own serve inside the court and inching your way into the court as the match goes on. At some point, maybe when you are starting your serve a foot inside the court, your opponent will call a foot fault on you first. Then you can proceed calling your opponents foot faults guilt free.
 
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Slicehand

Guest
I like the passive-aggressive route of starting your own serve inside the court and inching your way into the court as the match goes on. At some point, maybe when you are starting your serve a foot inside the court, your opponent will call a foot fault on you first. Then you can proceed calling your opponents foot faults guilt free.
xD
 

kylebarendrick

Professional
The easiest ones to see, and the ones where I tell people to knock it off, are the people that start their service motion across the centerline or side line. Gives them an unfair angle and is completely obvious.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
I like the passive-aggressive route of starting your own serve inside the court and inching your way into the court as the match goes on. At some point, maybe when you are starting your serve a foot inside the court, your opponent will call a foot fault on you first. Then you can proceed calling your opponents foot faults guilt free.
This is very tempting.
If I never post here again, you know I tried this and the foot faulter took me down.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
I have only called them in one match ever. Doubles. The guy would start behind the line, toss the ball and then step about a foot into the court to hit the ball. Sometimes his heel was not even in the legal zone. Touching the line? fine. Toes in the blue a bit? Uh, whatever. But this was so blatant I had to call it. He got super pissed and I haven't bothered calling them since - but I have also never seen anyone else that bad.

I'll also note that he was tall and serving 10mph more than anyone else on court.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
I like the passive-aggressive route of starting your own serve inside the court and inching your way into the court as the match goes on. At some point, maybe when you are starting your serve a foot inside the court, your opponent will call a foot fault on you first. Then you can proceed calling your opponents foot faults guilt free.
Why would you do this? Just call a footfault on your opponent and get ready to receive the next serve. Just the same as if you call their serve long.

the frustration is like you said they get mad at us for calling it.
But we call balls out all the time.
Do they get mad at you for the call? Or do they get mad at you for the way you make the call?

Try just saying "footfault" the same way you say "long" (on a long serve). And then simply get ready to receive the next serve

i knew a couple guys that literally took a full step into the court before making contact... they sucked anyway, so easier to just hit the ball and beat them than worry about calling footfaults,,,
I thought footfaulting was about stepping over the baseline. Not deciding how good your opponent is for how you enforce the rules.

I assume if this opponent started started serving a serve later in the match that you had trouble with you'd start calling a footfault on them? Only because then they "don't suck"?

Does that seem fair to you? Only call it on their good serves? And start calling later in the match after you've let it go for most of the match? You don't think you need to be consistent with your calls? And if your opponent gets mad, it's his fault? I think you're stark raving mad.

What if your opponent did it you? Would you be OK with this sort of inconsistency in rules enforcement? I wouldn't be. I'd be angry. Not because you called a footfault. But because you enforce the rules inconsistently. It smacks of gamesmanship.

I don't think anyone is actually calling a foot fault. We're all just fantasizing about having the courage to call it once in a match.

I've never called it in a match and usually just notice it during the warmup. But then in the match when the stress comes in, usually their serves drop off so it really isn't making a difference. However, I went to my club the other day to play and noticed one of the 4.0 guys practicing his serve and it was so blatantly obvious how far he was moving into the court. If I was playing him in singles and he was doing that, I would probably say something to him because it was so egregious. Honestly, I was surprised no one had said anything to him in the past.
I think if you start calling it from the very first serve you see a footfault, your opponent will probably be OK with it. But if you silently "stew" on it the entire match and only call it on them on a key point (to teach them a lesson?), they are justified in being angry. If you set the expectation that their serve is OK (even though they are footfaulting) then arbitrarily decide later that it's not OK (and call the footfault), why wouldn't they be mad?
 
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tennis3

Hall of Fame
The responses in this thread and the other footfault thread are interesting. It seems almost everyone sees footfaulting as cheating by their opponent. This actually explains a lot as to some very weird behavior I've seen in matches. I'll have to keep this thread in mind if I ever get called for a footfault in a match. I can assume some pent up anger and rage and a desire to "teach that damn cheater a lesson" mentality. Even though this is very silly, I'll have to assume this is how my opponent will be feeling. Very, very strange.

I simply can't understand this. They committed a fault on their serve. Just call it. But call it fairly (see opening post).

You don't need to "teach them a lesson". If that is your attitude, no wonder you opponent gets angry. I would too.
 
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tennis3

Hall of Fame
Reading some of these posts, it sounds like people are calling foot-faults in singles. I can't imagine a scenario in which I'd be able to do that unless my opponent is taking several steps into the court - which has never happened. In doubles, on the other hand, where there is a net man who can watch the server's feet and a receiver who can call faults, it's another story. I like the OP's advice and would probably follow it. The challenge is that, in many, many league matches, I only came across one egregious foot faulter - so other than that one time it was not necessary to have the discussion at all.
I never call footfaults. I really don't care if the server steps into the court or over the center line. As long as it looks like they aren't doing it on purpose (or doing it to be a jackass), I really don't care. I just assume they're trying their best and playing in the correct "spirit" of competition. Not that they came to the court with some "evil" plan of footfaulting to gain an advantage.

I was just addressing the people it does seem to bother. If it bothers you, call it. Simple as that. But don't be a jerk about it.

True, if you call a footfault in singles, lots of guys will get mad (how could you have possibly seen it). That's just something you have to consider. But it doesn't give you license to be a jerk yourself.
 

Creighton

Professional
The responses in this thread and the other footfault thread are interesting. It seems almost everyone sees footfaulting as cheating by their opponent. This actually explains a lot as to some very weird behavior I've seen in matches. I'll have to keep this thread in mind if I ever get called for a footfault in a match. I can assume some pent up anger and rage and a desire to "teach that damn cheater a lesson" mentality. Even though this is very silly, I'll have to assume this is how my opponent will be feeling. Very, very strange.

I simply can't understand this. They committed a fault on their serve. Just call it. But call it fairly (see opening post).

You don't need to "teach them a lesson". If that is your attitude, no wonder you opponent gets angry. I would too.

Weird response. Why should someone get upset when their opponent points out they're foot faulting?
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
Weird response. Why should someone get upset when their opponent points out they're foot faulting?
I'm not following you? I don't understand what you're asking. Are you addressing something in my post?

If so, I'm saying you can expect your opponent to be angry with you for calling a footfault if

1) You didn't do it all match and decide to do it later in the match. When nothing else has changed with their serve. If you let it go, let it go for the entire match. Don't "save it up" to use the call later in the match.

2) Or if you call it with an obvious attitude towards your opponent that they are cheating. A footfault is a service fault. Just call it. No lectures. No grumbling. Just call it and get ready to receive the next serve.

Otherwise, I guess your opponent would also be angry if he doesn't think he's actually footfaulting (meaning he doesn't agree with your call). Then you have the same situation if you call a ball "out" and he thinks its "in". Something that is unavoidable in tennis (unless you play on the Pro Tour). Then you just have to handle it like "adults", like you handle any other difference of opinion.
 

Creighton

Professional
I'm not following you? I don't understand what you're asking. Are you addressing something in my post?

If so, I'm saying you can expect your opponent to be angry with you for calling a footfault if

1) You didn't do it all match and decide to do it later in the match. When nothing else has changed with their serve. If you let it go, let it go for the entire match. Don't "save it up" to use the call later in the match.

2) Or if you call it with an obvious attitude towards your opponent that they are cheating. A footfault is a service fault. Just call it. No lectures. No grumbling. Just call it and get ready to receive the next serve.

Otherwise, I guess your opponent would also be angry if he doesn't think he's actually footfaulting (meaning he doesn't agree with your call). Then you have the same situation if you call a ball "out" and he thinks its "in". Something that is unavoidable in tennis (unless you play on the Pro Tour). Then you just have to handle it like "adults", like you handle any other difference of opinion.

You literally said

no wonder you opponent gets angry. I would too.

Your post just isn't reasonable. People only get upset when they know they're doing it.

If someone called me for a foot fault, my first reaction would be, "Maybe I'm foot faulting and I should look into it."
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
You literally said



Your post just isn't reasonable. People only get upset when they know they're doing it.

If someone called me for a foot fault, my first reaction would be, "Maybe I'm foot faulting and I should look into it."
I leave it to you to read what I said again. If you come to the same conclusions, then I guess I’m just not good at expressing my thoughts. But I’m not sure how to express myself more clearly. In which case I’ll just apologize to you and leave it there
 

Creighton

Professional
I leave it to you to read what I said again. If you come to the same conclusions, then I guess I’m just not good at expressing my thoughts. But I’m not sure how to express myself more clearly. In which case I’ll just apologize to you and leave it there

It's just that your thoughts are wrong, but at least you're consistent.

You're attempting to shift the blame from the person foot faulting to the other party. Here, you're trying to **** the blame of you being wrong to me. In both instances you're trying to blame the innocent party instead of placing blame on the person who is wrong.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
I thought footfaulting was about stepping over the baseline. Not deciding how good your opponent is for how you enforce the rules.

If you follow every rule to the letter, then yes, it's about stepping over the BL.

In the real world, we don't follow all of the rules [time between the point ending and the subsequent serve, time on changeovers, whether you can sit down after the first game of a set or during a TB, whether we play Comin or regular TB, how long a bathroom break can last, singles sticks, etc]. FF is one of those. Sometimes it's just easier to let it slide.


I assume if this opponent started started serving a serve later in the match that you had trouble with you'd start calling a footfault on them? Only because then they "don't suck"?

Does that seem fair to you? Only call it on their good serves? And start calling later in the match after you've let it go for most of the match? You don't think you need to be consistent with your calls? And if your opponent gets mad, it's his fault? I think you're stark raving mad.

Interesting hypothetical. The few times I've seen someone consistently FF who wasn't a strong player, they never suddenly started serving a lot better later.

Yeah, I'm in a pickle now: if I don't call it, he's gaining an unfair advantage and if I do call it, I'm being inconsistent.

Well, if we're following the rules, it's within my right to call the FF even if I wasn't calling it before.

What if your opponent did it you? Would you be OK with this sort of inconsistency in rules enforcement? I wouldn't be. I'd be angry. Not because you called a footfault. But because you enforce the rules inconsistently. It smacks of gamesmanship.

I think if you start calling it from the very first serve you see a footfault, your opponent will probably be OK with it. But if you silently "stew" on it the entire match and only call it on them on a key point (to teach them a lesson?), they are justified in being angry. If you set the expectation that their serve is OK (even though they are footfaulting) then arbitrarily decide later that it's not OK (and call the footfault), why wouldn't they be mad?

Because they broke the rule. Whether anyone called them on it is a separate matter. If they go to a tournament with a roving umpire who calls every FF, is he going to get mad at the umpires because "no one ever calls FFs on me during league"? You could craft the scenario this way also.

Bottom line: there's a tug of war between being consistent and possibly seen as petty ["Really? You're calling FFs on a guy with a bad shoulder with a 50mph serve??"] and being inconsistent and possibly seen as a gamer ["Really? You wait until 5-5 in the Super TB to start calling FFs??"]. Pick your poison. My take is that most people, being socially sensitive, will pick the latter with the assumption that the scenario you outlined would not happen [and indeed, I've never seen it happen].
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
The responses in this thread and the other footfault thread are interesting. It seems almost everyone sees footfaulting as cheating by their opponent.

"cheating" to me implies intent. Many people who FF probably don't realize they are [or maybe they've been told but "it doesn't feel like I'm FFing"].

However, FFing is breaking the rule, just like calling the ball out before it lands or hitting the ball twice or screaming "watch out" to your partner after you loft a lame duck lob. I've seen all of these things happen and the perpetrator isn't necessarily aware they are breaking any rule. So I wouldn't call them a cheater.

This actually explains a lot as to some very weird behavior I've seen in matches. I'll have to keep this thread in mind if I ever get called for a footfault in a match. I can assume some pent up anger and rage and a desire to "teach that damn cheater a lesson" mentality. Even though this is very silly, I'll have to assume this is how my opponent will be feeling. Very, very strange.

How about a simpler explanation: they called a FF because you FFed. "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." You're coming up with a rather convoluted explanation for something that likely has a simpler reason.

I simply can't understand this. They committed a fault on their serve. Just call it. But call it fairly (see opening post).

You don't need to "teach them a lesson". If that is your attitude, no wonder you opponent gets angry. I would too.

I don't think most people call a FF to "teach them a lesson". It's one of those gray area calls that often devolve into shouting matches and grudges which is why people are eager NOT to call them.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
Interesting. Thanks for your responses.

From a personal perspective, I've learned to just agree with anything my opponent says on a tennis court. I even change my line calls if my opponent questions me, even though I see the ball clearly out. I've just learned it's just easier. Most of the time it works fine and we just move on without any incident. Basically, most people just want to have their way and in most cases I'm fine letting them have it. It's like dealing with children really.

That said, I had this surprising experience in a tournament recently. I called my opponents ball long and was standing right next to it. His shot was flat, so it carried the line by several inches. He comes to the net and starts screaming "no way, ball was in". I simply respond "OK, point is yours" and then say "that makes score 30-15". He goes into a rage and says "so you didn't see it and just called it out". I say "no, I saw it out by several inches, but I'm fine going with your call if you saw it in". He screams back "no, if you saw it out, then its your point". I say "OK, then its 40-0".

We finish out the game and on the changeover he's screaming at me that I cheated him on that call. I wasn't really sure what to say. It's pretty hard to let someone have their way when even they don't know what it is they want.

As far as being called for footfaults, I've been called a few times in tournaments. I've always just moved off the line a bit more and got ready to hit the next serve. But it always feels like the footfault is a "special" call. The opponent seems to call it in a way that feels "different" from all other calls. Like I'm cheating and he's calling me out on it. That's my impression anyway. And it seems consistent with much of what I've read in the other thread ("A 4.0 shouldn't be footfaulting"). Lot of anger in that thread I feel, but maybe I'm wrong.
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
Why would you do this? Just call a footfault on your opponent and get ready to receive the next serve. Just the same as if you call their serve long.


Do they get mad at you for the call? Or do they get mad at you for the way you make the call?

Try just saying "footfault" the same way you say "long" (on a long serve). And then simply get ready to receive the next serve


I thought footfaulting was about stepping over the baseline. Not deciding how good your opponent is for how you enforce the rules.

I assume if this opponent started started serving a serve later in the match that you had trouble with you'd start calling a footfault on them? Only because then they "don't suck"?

Does that seem fair to you? Only call it on their good serves? And start calling later in the match after you've let it go for most of the match? You don't think you need to be consistent with your calls? And if your opponent gets mad, it's his fault? I think you're stark raving mad.

What if your opponent did it you? Would you be OK with this sort of inconsistency in rules enforcement? I wouldn't be. I'd be angry. Not because you called a footfault. But because you enforce the rules inconsistently. It smacks of gamesmanship.


I think if you start calling it from the very first serve you see a footfault, your opponent will probably be OK with it. But if you silently "stew" on it the entire match and only call it on them on a key point (to teach them a lesson?), they are justified in being angry. If you set the expectation that their serve is OK (even though they are footfaulting) then arbitrarily decide later that it's not OK (and call the footfault), why wouldn't they be mad?
i don't call footfaults based on skill level...
i don't call footfaults at all, because tennis is a rec sport (for me) and no one is getting paid for it, so worrying about trivial advantages like stepping 1ft inside the baseline is not something i'm gonna worry about... i'll treat it as a something in need to get better to overcome.
worrying about calling footfaults, for me, detracts from the overall experience of generally trying to get better at tennis... and when i become a pro (never), i'll be vindicated knowing that the refs will be calling all those footfaults in my favor :p
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
That said, I had this surprising experience in a tournament recently. I called my opponents ball long and was standing right next to it. His shot was flat, so it carried the line by several inches. He comes to the net and starts screaming "no way, ball was in". I simply respond "OK, point is yours" and then say "that makes score 30-15". He goes into a rage and says "so you didn't see it and just called it out". I say "no, I saw it out by several inches, but I'm fine going with your call if you saw it in". He screams back "no, if you saw it out, then its your point". I say "OK, then its 40-0".

We finish out the game and on the changeover he's screaming at me that I cheated him on that call. I wasn't really sure what to say. It's pretty hard to let someone have their way when even they don't know what it is they want.
lol. i like your attitude...
 

ktx

Professional
I just assume they're trying their best and playing in the correct "spirit" of competition.
I think this is true and why if your opponent calls a footfault on you it feels like an accusation of cheating; which then feels like gamesmanship. I highly doubt any rec player, even at the highhest levels, is getting much advantage having their foot touch the line (or in the case of the waiter's tray serve, the full step over the line!), but if I am thinking about my opponent foot faulting then I am distracting myself from my returns. So to me it's overall easier to just never make this one call. We all know that guy who serves 110 and when you point out he FFs every time he has a total meltdown. It feels icky all around. I have a teammate who prefers to tell the opponents' captain after the match as just an FYI, you may want to let them know.
 

Max G.

Legend
Just realized - is footfault the only call you would make on the other side of the net? Usually the rules are that you call everything on your side, opponent calls everything on their side. That includes lines and double bounces and things like that. ...but a footfault is a call you can't make on yourself, there's no way to look at your own feet while serving.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Just realized - is footfault the only call you would make on the other side of the net? Usually the rules are that you call everything on your side, opponent calls everything on their side. That includes lines and double bounces and things like that. ...but a footfault is a call you can't make on yourself, there's no way to look at your own feet while serving.

Yeah, the same thing occurred to me [about the side of the net where I can make a call].

Hindrance?

What about a let? Doesn't the ball technically hit your opponent's side of the net first?
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
i knew a couple guys that literally took a full step into the court before making contact... they sucked anyway, so easier to just hit the ball and beat them than worry about calling footfaults,,,


I mean, suck or not, something that egregious is ridiculous and it is annoying it isn't addressed. For me, it just leaves a bad taste in mouth for them, but I have also mentioned it several times over the years to players (like I said about video above).

And I don't think calling foot faults is going to make anyone serve THAT much worse really (reminds me of everyone saying when a shot clock was implemented Nadal would melt down and not be able to serve).
 
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