Wilson K frames in hand-watch out!

joe1987

Semi-Pro
I'm over the alantic in UK. I'm using the An90. I choose them over the k90 mainly because of cost. I got a sweet deal, 2An90s for 150pounds. I'm a student so I'm trying not to spend so much. The fees are already killing my parents.
 

tennisman_27

New User
I just got a k90 to demo yesterday and absolutely love it. The weight in the racket forces me to not over hit my shots, cause a severe increase in consistency (yay!). Also the angles and precision you get with this racket is astounding. My only concern is I feel like I have a slower racket head speed then the ksix team and ksix 95 i tried (especially the ksix team cause its so light). Think this is due to arm strength? Is it something I should be worried about?
 
I just got a k90 to demo yesterday and absolutely love it. The weight in the racket forces me to not over hit my shots, cause a severe increase in consistency (yay!). Also the angles and precision you get with this racket is astounding. My only concern is I feel like I have a slower racket head speed then the ksix team and ksix 95 i tried (especially the ksix team cause its so light). Think this is due to arm strength? Is it something I should be worried about?

I think you will find that the racket head speed comes along as a natural consequence of playing the frame, unless you are just a very small or frail person. ;) I believe folks end up 're-training' their swings to suit the frame to some degree, and that because of this you need to go with what feels best and allows you good consistency while maintaining depth. ;) CC
 
Agreed about the re-training. Well said. Half ass strokes that used to work with other racquets might not work with this one. But a great shot is so much more rewarding with a racquet like this.
 
:p. Thanks for the all the info folks. I'm new to this board but, so far, the community has been very welcoming. The K90 is really looking good right now and I'm probably going to pick it up soon. I've been reading some articles about fake K90s and am pretty baffled about this issue. Has anyone had any experience with one of these fake K90s?? Thanks.

I am not sure how to tell them apart, but doubt you need worry if you buy from TW! ;) CC
 
Agreed about the re-training. Well said. Half ass strokes that used to work with other racquets might not work with this one. But a great shot is so much more rewarding with a racquet like this.


Thanks! :)

I tend to think there is a danger in using frames that do too much of the work for you. That danger is one of developing bad habits of technique. ;)

CC
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I've never understood this concern about bad habits. I can have bad habits with a low power racquet and the ball stays in the court. Bad habits with a high powered racquet send the ball to the back fence. The more powerful the racquet, the better your habits need to be.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I've never understood this concern about bad habits. I can have bad habits with a low power racquet and the ball stays in the court. Bad habits with a high powered racquet send the ball to the back fence. The more powerful the racquet, the better your habits need to be.

If it is important to you to develop good, consistent powerful strokes, and play well, then you will.

It is the guy holding the racquet.

J
 

Klatu Verata Necktie

Hall of Fame
I've never understood this concern about bad habits. I can have bad habits with a low power racquet and the ball stays in the court. Bad habits with a high powered racquet send the ball to the back fence. The more powerful the racquet, the better your habits need to be.

Watch many of the beginners and old people who use big, powerful, "game improvement" racquets. Many times, their shots are hit with a good bit of pace and land in the court, while the technique used is often quite terrible.

I'm not necessarily talking about bad habits, rather, bad technique.
 

sigep1967

Rookie
well finally got a chance to work on my serves and got my toss worked out at least for today haha. still loving the backhand angles this thing will hit. Tried the damn mojo string setup and now I am hooked. Will be stringing the other one tonight haha. Got used to $3 worth of strings now going to
$18 oh well it seems to be worth it.
 
well finally got a chance to work on my serves and got my toss worked out at least for today haha. still loving the backhand angles this thing will hit. Tried the damn mojo string setup and now I am hooked. Will be stringing the other one tonight haha. Got used to $3 worth of strings now going to
$18 oh well it seems to be worth it.

Glad to hear it man! ;)

And yes, the Mojo set up is WELL worth the extra cash.

CC
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Every time I go to order it the ISO is out of stock, now they have nothing on the iso page. I'm dyin to see what all the hullibaloo is about even though I could never use it on a permanant basis.

J
 
Every time I go to order it the ISO is out of stock, now they have nothing on the iso page. I'm dyin to see what all the hullibaloo is about even though I could never use it on a permanant basis.

J


Jo11y!

It plays amazingly 'soft' (read that 'arm friendly') but has tons of pop and spin. Very unique feel in my experience. ;)

CC
 

wally

Rookie
Jo11y!

It plays amazingly 'soft' (read that 'arm friendly') but has tons of pop and spin. Very unique feel in my experience. ;)

CC


What he said!!!!

I have full ISO Pro in my "teaching" stick and the Mojo in my others. I had to use my it in a match the other day when the fog/mist rolled in off the lake. I'd forgotten how good it was on its own. Its even better when its combined with the gut.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Jo11y!

It plays amazingly 'soft' (read that 'arm friendly') but has tons of pop and spin. Very unique feel in my experience. ;)

CC

Ya, I can dig it. Can't imagine how long it would last though. As my wrist is getting stronger I am making my sacrifices to the ALU gods much more regularly.

Like I said, just want to try it for giggles, have no intention of switching from the full poly job.

J
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Ok,

****Disclaimer****

The review below is from my point of view, and is compared to my Ncode 90s that I have been using for 2 years. The 90s are NOT powerful racquets by themselves, and these are especially heavy. I do not reccomend this frame to anyone who does not posess good coordination, and sufficient racquethead speed to consistiently hit the ball deep with the frame. I am an open tournament player, with hellish batspeed, I can break ALU Rough in under 2 hours. I hit HARD with heavy heavy topspin. Not trying to convince anyone to like or dislike this frame, just giving my point of view.

****Disclaimer****

As promised I have hit this weekend with my leaded K90s.

The setup is the same as my Ncodes. 380g 5phl.

Weight at 12, and just above the grip. (Going to put the weight inside the handle, silly me didn't realize it had a trapdoor.)

Strung with ALU Rough at 58lb.

First thought. "Man this thing comes around quick"

Second thought. "I am definately going to have to get the handles done."

Third thought. "Wow, you can really feel this thing bend."

I am very very impressed with how the leaded version plays. It swings like a whip, and hits like a freight train.

The stringbed was very 'hot' with the ball really jumping off of it on blocked shots, going to take some time to dial that in.

Angles and such were lovely, huge improvement on BH slice compared to the N. BH slice I felt that I really had to hit it perfectly with the Ncode, while with the K it seemed like I really had to botch the shot to get the ball to sit up, and when I really laid into one it seemed almost unfair how good it was.

The short pallet really bothered me on the two hander, and rubbed uncomfortably, but the shots were still pretty good.

Forehands, pace, spin, all that good stuff. ISO was very stout with the K, CC needs a bit more dialing in. Angles were great, actually found myself hitting a bit more angle than I wanted sometimes.

Serves, I can't blame the racquet. I have been doing minimal serving do to back problems for the last little while, and being locked up/in pain jived with my motion aswell. But I squared a few up and all I can say is "Yee Ha". They were making the right sound they just weren't going the right place. Like a few other areas, once I get it dialed in, look out. Gonna be putting up some gaudy numbers on the gun first and 2nd serves.

I actually thought the N would be better at net because of the denser pattern in the middle of the racquet, but the K was the one I liked better. (Maybe I am not hitting the middle of the racquet) Probably because of the better feel.

The thing that really impressed was how the K bailed me out when I was in trouble. I could come up with some offensive shots on the run, or from a defensive position.

The thing that didn't impress was how the ball flew on me, but once again, just an adjustment in getting used to the frame. I am really surprised with how much hotter the stringbed was.

My FH return is the weakest part of my game, and I really put some good swings on my opponent's serves, serves that I would have had to block back recently. (I am not sure if it is how quickly the racquet comes around, or just that my wrist keeps getting stronger by the week and my FH return of serve, and high flat FH are the last two things to come back.)

BH return is one of my best shots, and as usuall was pretty impressive.

All in all, I love this thing. Definitely gonna have to have the pallets done, and it is for sure gonna take me a month to get used to the frame, but I am planning to get myself enough to last a long long time.

It is EXTREMELY tempting to jack up the tension on this racquet, but I am gonna give it some more time. Tight strings are like a safety blanket for me, but I am convinced that looser is the way to go. When I am wailing away, it is great, but when I take pace off, I was hitting long, and when I was just blocking the ball flew a bit. I am convinced that it will just take some getting used to.

Preparing to switch in Jan/08

J
 
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J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Jo11y,

What did you think about the K90 in the 'feel' department? That's one of its strengths, I've found. ;)

Best,

CC

It is nice, but not necessary for my style of play. Kind of an added bonus. I need to spend some more time with it inside the service box.

I was very surprised that you could actually feel the frame bending when you were hitting off the ground.

It definately has tons of feel, but I am used to an N90 with full poly, which is numb to say the least.

It is a very strange racquet in that it feels like it is softer than it is, and hits like it is stiffer than it is.

J
 

iksmols

Semi-Pro
I was very surprised that you could actually feel the frame bending when you were hitting off the ground.

It definately has tons of feel, but I am used to an N90 with full poly, which is numb to say the least.

It is a very strange racquet in that it feels like it is softer than it is, and hits like it is stiffer than it is.

J

I agree with Your assesment.I have recently put my K90 to the test against Yonex RDS001 mid and realized that even though Yonex frames have reputation for being the spin monsters it is the K90 that has better spin potential because of its polarized mass distribution.
 

tennisman_27

New User
hey jolly and Craig, what strings do you use in your k90s? Do you use hybrids? What would you recommend to get max spin with minimal breakage?
 
I agree with Your assesment.I have recently put my K90 to the test against Yonex RDS001 mid and realized that even though Yonex frames have reputation for being the spin monsters it is the K90 that has better spin potential because of its polarized mass distribution.


Yes. The AK90 with my polarized set up is even MORE of a spin monster. ;) Rivaled only by the POG mid in my experience. CC
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree with Your assesment.I have recently put my K90 to the test against Yonex RDS001 mid and realized that even though Yonex frames have reputation for being the spin monsters it is the K90 that has better spin potential because of its polarized mass distribution.

I have never hit a yonex in my life, but I hit topspin like most people breathe. I actually have to focus and concentrate to flatten my balls(tennis) out. So really I could hit topspin with a frying pan. I also hit very high in the bed.

I don't know if it is because of the weight distribution, I would rather think it is because of the more open pattern, but yea the K is pretty darn spin friendly.

J
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Played Klatu Verata Necktie from the boards yesterday. First time I hit against someone who is also hitting with a K90. Very solid player, with excellent groundstrokes from both wings. Unfortunately, because of rain we only hit for about an hour, and hit mostly groundies.

What I found so interesting is that two players with completely opposite approaches in hitting the ball could use the same frame and still get incredible results. A testament to how good this frame is.

Klatu hits with a lot of topspin, and puts much more air under the ball than I do. He hits with a two-handed backhand, and uses a semi-western grip on teh FH. I use eastern on both wings and hit with a one-hander. Addtionally, hit much flatter strokes.

Just goes to show the wide range of styles this frame could accomodate.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
hey jolly and Craig, what strings do you use in your k90s? Do you use hybrids? What would you recommend to get max spin with minimal breakage?

Full ALU Rough 58lb.

I have used Hybrids in the past but eh.

My reccomendation for max spin/minimal breakage really depends on the type of player you are.

ALU is godly for an hour, ok for the second hour, and if I haven't broken it in 2 hours it is junk, the absolute worst string on the planet, no pop, no bite, no nothing.

The ALU lasts most normal human beings a long time, but I can't imagine how they play with it because the stuff is soooooo bad once it goes dead.

What do you use now/how long does it last?

I'm probably not the best guy in the world to ask because I am not a tinkerer. I want a lot of racquets that are all exactly the same, strung with the same string at the same tension. So that I can get better as a player. I am a very strong advocate of the "It's not the racquet, or the string, it's the guy swinging." theory.

J
 
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J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes. The AK90 with my polarized set up is even MORE of a spin monster. ;) Rivaled only by the POG mid in my experience. CC

I can't imagine how much lead I would have to put on an AK90 to make it like my leaded US ones. The tape at 12 would probably obscure the top cross lol.

J
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Just goes to show the wide range of styles this frame could accomodate.

Some local dude was spouting about how it is impossible to hit a western FH with a 90" frame.

My reply was "Boy! I wish you had told me that before I bought 20 of them."

J
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
^^^ LOL. Well, I could tell you this, klatu hits with what appears to be extreme semi-western, and he hits with tons of spin and pace.
 

Klatu Verata Necktie

Hall of Fame
Just goes to show the wide range of styles this frame could accomodate.

drakulie's right on. While I don't hit with an extreme western grip, ala Nadal, I do hit with an extreme semi western grip and find it easy to generate both power and control from the K90.

The racquet I used before the K90 was the Microgel Radical Pro. I had grown up idolozing Agassi, so I gravitated towards his equipment. My axe of choice was the Donnay Pro One Oversize and the POG Oversize. For some reason I had equated fierce spin and a two handed backhand with larger frame sizes.

One day, my adult education class gave me a gift certificate to a local tennis shop. I didn't need anything, so I bought Federer's racquet as a souvenier (like most people, I'm a big Federer fan). When I took my "souvenier" for a test drive, I found more control and feel than I had gotten out of my oversized racquets. I fell in love with the K90.

I find the K90 to be a wonderful blank canvas with which to work. It doesn't add or substact anything from your strokes or your game.

By the way, drakulie hits like a freight train!
 

Glorious

New User
Does Federer's K90 stringset include: vs nat gut (mains/gauge = 17?) and alu power rough (crosses/gauge=16L??).

Is it crucial to string the mains with a slightly high (2-3lbs) tension rate over the crosses or will having the same tension on both sets of the hybrid suffice (ie what are the benefits of stringing the mains 2 lbs higher)?

Thanks.
 

Klatu Verata Necktie

Hall of Fame
Does Federer's K90 stringset include: vs nat gut (mains/gauge = 17?) and alu power rough (crosses/gauge=16L??).

Is it crucial to string the mains with a slightly high (2-3lbs) tension rate over the crosses or will having the same tension on both sets of the hybrid suffice (ie what are the benefits of stringing the mains 2 lbs higher)?

Thanks.

From what I understand, the purpose of stringing the crosses at a lower tension is to expand the sweetspot. The times I have attempted it in my K90, it hasn't felt as good to me as a uniform tension.
 

0d1n

Hall of Fame
From what I understand, the purpose of stringing the crosses at a lower tension is to expand the sweetspot. The times I have attempted it in my K90, it hasn't felt as good to me as a uniform tension.

In the case of Federer that's also to compensate for the huge difference in elasticity between the two strings he uses. He's stringing the crosses lower because the crosses are a stiff poly, with the mains being gut (much more elastic). The tension helps somewhat in evening out the stiffness I guess.
 
In the case of Federer that's also to compensate for the huge difference in elasticity between the two strings he uses. He's stringing the crosses lower because the crosses are a stiff poly, with the mains being gut (much more elastic). The tension helps somewhat in evening out the stiffness I guess.

Yes. The lower tension does expand the sweetspot and may account for some differences in elasticity. ;) CC
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
From what I understand, the purpose of stringing the crosses at a lower tension is to expand the sweetspot. The times I have attempted it in my K90, it hasn't felt as good to me as a uniform tension.
It's also because the cross strings are shorter than the main strings. That's why people string the mains at a higher tension than the crosses. It's for the same reason people string OS racquets at a higher tension than a Mid. The length of the string affects the stringbed stiffness at a given tension.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
At the PNW TW meet I had the opportunity to hit with my K90 and a PS85 for the first time. They definitely felt similar in the feel category.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I find the K90 to be a wonderful blank canvas with which to work. It doesn't add or substact anything from your strokes or your game.

Beautifully put. I completely agree. It is definitely a frame that will reward you with some outstanding results. But those results have to come from YOU, not the frame.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one left in the world that does. ;) LOL

Funny that 3 of us all use the same grip and hit with one-handers. I wonder what the percentage would be among 90inch users??


At the PNW TW meet I had the opportunity to hit with my K90 and a PS85 for the first time. They definitely felt similar in the feel category.

Well??? What did you think?? What were your comparative observations of the two frames??
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Funny that 3 of us all use the same grip and hit with one-handers. I wonder what the percentage would be among 90inch users??

My buddy who is a national 35s player hits the same way. I think it is more the age thing *Duck Hide* than the racquet thing.

J
 
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