Should on court coaching be allowed?
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The answer is NO!
Tennis is unique in that you must do it all on your own. No other sport that I can think of makes you the only one responsible for your own success or failure.
If on court coaching was allowed, you would have mental midgets doing better because they had someone to hold their hands and try to work through their mental weaknesses. Tennis is very much a mental and strategic game, and having someone coached on court would be a huge advantage to the emotionally and mentally challenged players. That is why you typically see the mentally strong players opposed to it such as Federer.
DaMiBru
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Good point, OTOH how enjoyable is it to watch a player who's mentally deteriorating on the court for lets say two hours?
WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
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I think not also, because of the individual aspect of it, the mental toughness really separates the players into those who are physical fit and can hit the shots, and those who not only have that but execute game plans and strategies, endure under pressure and come out the winner. I think if there was allowed oncourt coaching the game would be changed too greatly because we are then seeing the strengths of the coach instead of the strengths of the player.
If the player is so weak mentally that they cannot perform to high standards or get threw tough times, and I think one sees that more among the women than men, then I think they need some help off court.
If the player is so weak mentally that they cannot perform to high standards or get threw tough times, and I think one sees that more among the women than men, then I think they need some help off court.
Eviscerator
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That is a good point from the fans perspective, but irrelevant to the player who is mentally strong. So while I understand the desire to have more interesting matches for the fans, it should not alter the fundamentals of the game. Heck, when an inferior player is getting crunched, they don't replace them with one who would play better just to please the fans, right?
I think "no" as well. I want to see the competition between two players...their respective strengths and weaknesses...not the strength of a hired gun at the sidelines.
Tennis is unique. Every "compromise" of that uniqueness moves us closer to the crowd becoming "part" of a match by trying to influence a match with shouts at the right time. How about a fan yelling "out" just as a player is about to hit a return? Let's leave Archie Bunker at home.
Tennis is unique. Every "compromise" of that uniqueness moves us closer to the crowd becoming "part" of a match by trying to influence a match with shouts at the right time. How about a fan yelling "out" just as a player is about to hit a return? Let's leave Archie Bunker at home.
DaMiBru
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Thrue it shouldn't alter the fundamentals of the game, I'm just not sure where it would do that. However tennis does have an obligation towards it's fans. Without fans/spectators/supporters would tennis be where it is today?
In addition, hawkeye/point tracker/ shots spots has imho added to the game dispite large initial opposition.
Good point, but please address this:
A prep (or college) match between to teams involves several matches being played simultaneously. I may have as many as four (usually less) matches underway at the same time. There's only one coach...moi! How do I provide the same "level" of coaching during a match on the separate courts? If I confine my coaching to one or two matches, what does the other coach do?
It may sound so, but its not an insignificant problem.
Dude, that is something totally different. It was put in to benefit both players against bad calls. It does not help one player more than another.
Get real
Loco4Tennis
Hall of Fame
as much as i wanna say yes, i agree with the people that say no, it does disrupt the game and would slow the game as well,
its very frustrating seeing someone you coach loose points, but then again its easier said then done
i also think this is suppose to be a civilized game, key word GAME, whether win or loose your suppose to keep your cool, playing to only win brings the ugly side to this a civilized game
its very frustrating seeing someone you coach loose points, but then again its easier said then done
i also think this is suppose to be a civilized game, key word GAME, whether win or loose your suppose to keep your cool, playing to only win brings the ugly side to this a civilized game
DaMiBru
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You would have to find a solution which adsresses your format. I'm restricting myself to the ATP/WTA.
DaMiBru
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NOOOOOOO??? YOU'RE KIDDING ME????? REALLY???? The only simularity I was drawing was the initial opposition DUDE!
I say no on court coaching should be allowed in the pros, ATP or WTA. If you consider yourself a pro, and want to collect pro money, you should be able to think on your feet, make your own adjustments during the match. That's the beauty of professional tennis. I don't want to see your coach, Mommy, or Daddy doing your thinking for you, on the court, in a professional tennis match .
I'd say NO too. It was funny seeing Sharapova eat banana with two fingers lifted looking at Yuri during a changeover in one of her match. Indirect coaching using hand signals might entice the public veiwers, anyway a lot of players look at their coach during a match, like JHH mostly on every point, there should something in there.
edmondsm
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Of course Lendl would say this. He's the most infamous choker ever.
Sure it would improve the quality of play.....for players that can't think their way through matches and implode when things aren't going well. Those players should lose. Tennis is great and unique because it is all about mono y mono. Nobody in your corner, no teamates.....game on.
Off topic, totally, edmondsm...
I've used an email addy...edmondsmh@********* for years, and set it up because we -- at the time -- lived in Edmonds, Washington...
Deuce
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I'd like to see coaching allowed in Juniors.
If coaching were permitted in Juniors, the kids would learn good strategy at a more rapid and efficient rate. The coach would suggest something, and the kid would see that it works - and thus retain it in his/her memory for future reference.
Of course, the coach won't always be right. But the kid can learn from that, as well.
If coaching were permitted in Juniors, the kids would learn good strategy at a more rapid and efficient rate. The coach would suggest something, and the kid would see that it works - and thus retain it in his/her memory for future reference.
Of course, the coach won't always be right. But the kid can learn from that, as well.
slice bh compliment
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I think it ought to be allowed only in exos, and in novice 10s and 12s. But only if both kids have a coach. Gotta keep things fair.
I love to see college tennis up close....close enough to hear the coaches. Mostly, it's inane babble, but I love to see if a kid can implement good advice. Wish the Davis Cup captains were miked, though I totally understand why that will never happen.
I love to see college tennis up close....close enough to hear the coaches. Mostly, it's inane babble, but I love to see if a kid can implement good advice. Wish the Davis Cup captains were miked, though I totally understand why that will never happen.
DaMiBru
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I see there are some strong arguments as to why there should be no on court coaching. One reason seems so stick out above the rest. On court coaching would profoundly favor the mentally weak/weaker player. But lets take one step back. Are there really that many mentally weak players on the tour?
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ROTFLMAO
I am not laughing at you, rather that is the funniest question I have read on the boards in some time.
Of course it depends on how you define mentally weak, but the answer is YES!
DaMiBru
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LOL. Okay I'll re phrase my question.
How many mentally weak players end up in the second week of a slam that would have done better with on court coaching?
cknobman
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Anyone stop to consider that on court coaching would benefit the top players more than others? Face it coaches cost alot and many of pro players outside of the top 20 (maybe top 10) cannot afford to have coaches travel with them exclusivley full time (I am not talking about the WTA and parent coaches either).
So if you allowed coaching then the top players are going to benefit more because they can afford to pay for exlusive coaching and traveling on a day to day basis and the lower ranked players who cannot afford full time coaching will be put at even further disadvantage.
But....on court coaching may give us the opportunity to see people like Blake actually play consistant.........maybe......LOL
So if you allowed coaching then the top players are going to benefit more because they can afford to pay for exlusive coaching and traveling on a day to day basis and the lower ranked players who cannot afford full time coaching will be put at even further disadvantage.
But....on court coaching may give us the opportunity to see people like Blake actually play consistant.........maybe......LOL
masha4ever#1
Semi-Pro
don't really care.....but I'm not against on court coaching..so....probably i should be allowed
OK, with all due respect, I understand...but College and Prep level tennis invariably follows the lead of ATP/WTA, and -- once the cat is out of the bag, what are the choices? Even without my objections, its a rough road on the coaching. I could envision a coach wishing to interject comments to his player after every point...suggesting where the next serve might be hit...or the next return...etal...
On court coaching are for players who are mentally weak or have not done there homework. I see no place for it in the game of tennis..i also believe Umpires should place a tougher stance on coaching from the stands..it's not hard to notice the usual suspects when they are forced under pressure.
Absolute no problem.
Also, on-court couching would favor the top players and players of independent wealth to an even greater degree than they already are favoured.
This.
Coaching should absolutely not be allowed.
They need to clamp down on players who cheat and have coaches helping them. It is very unsporstmanlike.
No. No. No.
Many reasons not to have it. Can't see any good reason to have it except for the coaches. All players will have to have them and so there will be more of them and they will get a bigger cut of the player's earnings.
They need to get rid of it on the women's tour. A player should be able to play a match without their daddy coming onto the court.
Many reasons not to have it. Can't see any good reason to have it except for the coaches. All players will have to have them and so there will be more of them and they will get a bigger cut of the player's earnings.
They need to get rid of it on the women's tour. A player should be able to play a match without their daddy coming onto the court.
Sentinel
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Yep, coaching should also be allowed in Chess, spelling bee etc. When i give an exam, my tutor should be allowed to sit next to me and give me answers if i don't have them.
On court Coaching in tennis is almost like playing doubles, lol. The very chaps who support OCC also funnily make fun of the Oly doubles gold
This thread basically comes down to a Fed vs Nadal thing. I'd like to see a Nadal fan who is against OCC or a Fed fan who is for it.
I'm sure there are some Fed fans who are for on-court couching. I also think the vast majority of Nadal fans are against it; however, I think they support keeping it prohibited, but turning a blind eye when Nadal does it, or making excuses (other players do it too, it isn't enforced, etc).
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