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I'm gonna hybrid it with the M2 I got!
Why would you bother hybriding two strings that you've never tried before as full sets? What could you possibly learn?
Maybe the M2 is perfect for you, but you're ruining it with the HC. Or vice versa. It just makes sense to play with a full set before you hybrid so you know what characteristics you're looking for from each string. The two strings in a hybrid are supposed to complement each other, offering specific benefits of each string to fill in the gaps of the other string. But it's all personal preference.
Making a hybrid out of two random strings is a recipe for disappointment.
Why would you bother hybriding two strings that you've never tried before as full sets? What could you possibly learn?
Maybe the M2 is perfect for you, but you're ruining it with the HC. Or vice versa. It just makes sense to play with a full set before you hybrid so you know what characteristics you're looking for from each string. The two strings in a hybrid are supposed to complement each other, offering specific benefits of each string to fill in the gaps of the other string. But it's all personal preference.
Making a hybrid out of two random strings is a recipe for disappointment.
Meh, i'm not really into poly. Just trying it out. Maybe i'll just give the M2 to my bro and take all of the hollow core
Good idea. Hollow Core is awesome. At this point, I don't see myself using any other string. I still have 4 sets of Tonic+ gut that used to be my regular string that I'm not planning on using anymore because of the switch to Hollow Core.
And I'm not joking, either. The string is very, very good and suits my game perfectly. Don't listen to the naysayers that call it Hollow Krap or other such cleverisms. Those people are typically 3.5 level 13 year old poly-loving Nadal wannabes who wouldn't know what a good string felt like if... well... they just wouldn't know what a good string feels like at all
I'm gonna hybrid it with the M2 I got!
M2 seems to be getting better reviews than HC, but tonyb really seems to like HC.
Good idea. Hollow Core is awesome. At this point, I don't see myself using any other string. I still have 4 sets of Tonic+ gut that used to be my regular string that I'm not planning on using anymore because of the switch to Hollow Core.
And I'm not joking, either. The string is very, very good and suits my game perfectly. Don't listen to the naysayers that call it Hollow Krap or other such cleverisms. Those people are typically 3.5 level 13 year old poly-loving Nadal wannabes who wouldn't know what a good string felt like if... well... they just wouldn't know what a good string feels like at all
That's because M2 is a poly and the majority of this forum is pro-poly.
I'm in the distinct minority in that I prefer classic 100% graphite, 50-flex racquets with tons of feel and strings that go with them. HC is a unique string with incredible feel and response. I wish it had a bit more spin, but the controlled power and feedback are awesome.
I've never strung it in a stiff frame, so I'm not sure if it "sucks" in that case. As with everything else, personal preference is the ultimate factor, so maybe those who like stiff frames just hate the feel of HC. But then again, you'd think that a stiff frame with a stiff string would be much worse.
Bottom line is that you probably shouldn't listen to generic criticisms of the string like "HC sucks" or similar literary gems. Figure out if the frame, tension, playing style, etc. matches your game and then decide if it's worth a shot. As I (and others) have said, HC has a very unique feel to it that no other string on the market seems to offer. That alone puts it in a different category.
Never used poly. How would it compare to PSGD? More feel? is it soft?
My frame is 60 flex or lower (it's a pretty well used frame)
Much more feel. It's not even close. PSGD is a decent syn gut, but it is still muted like most syn guts. HC is responsive, but not as lively as a multi, for example. It's got extremely controlled power, and its characteristics are very balanced. Maybe that's why people don't like it... it doesn't "Wow" them in any category. It's just a great string that does everything equally well, but in a toned-down way. Good spin, good control (I might say great control), good power, great feedback and feel. Not exceptional spin like poly. Not incredible power like gut or a multi. It's "responsive" and "lively" without being overly powerful, if that makes any sense. It's easy to feel where your shots are going, no matter how hard or soft you hit them. That's what "great feel" means to me.
60 flex is respectable. I see you're using a Fischer, which is not a classic "graphite feel", but it's still soft, but in more of a ProKennex way. But I would guess the HC still would be suitable for that frame. My guess is that your Fischer would respond better with a full set of HC than it would a full set of M2. I used to use Fischer for about 6 months to 1 year, so I know how they feel. They're unique, but I think they would do well with the HC.
Yeah, my set is just waiting in my string drawer for when I feel like stringing it up. I don't think I'm gonna like it though. It will have too much power, but I'll give it a shot.
Nice, my grommets broke a last week. i clipped the broken piece off and am waiting for the replacement I ordered to be delivered. Hopefully once my SP syn gut breaks, i'll replace the grommets and put in a fresh set of HC. What tension would you recommend?
From your sig, you're stringing regular syn gut at 60 lb. I would keep the same tension. My guess is that you'll notice more ball pocketing right away, and probably THINK that you're getting more power in a trampoline-like way as a result. But you're not. You're just getting more feedback on the ball speed than you're used to. It will feel like you're hitting rockets, but the speed will probably be slightly LESS than you're getting with your current setup. (I'm just guessing here).
Anyways, stick with the same tension. I doubt it will feel any stiffer than your current setup, and you won't see any increase in power, so you should be okay. It might take a little while to adjust to the increase in feel and feedback, along with the slight reduction in power, but otherwise you should be fine.
Yeah, my set is just waiting in my string drawer for when I feel like stringing it up. I don't think I'm gonna like it though. It will have too much power, but I'll give it a shot.
go into it with an open mind, but we have similar tastes in strings, and this string did nothing for me. but who knows?
Notice that it's not just STRINGS, but the string-frame combination that matters.
Don't just judge a string by itself. It has to be paired up with a frame to be able to evaluate it. So, don't dismiss a string just because it doesn't work with your specific frame at your specific tension. It's amazing how many GOOD combinations of frames and strings there are out there.
i strung it up as a hybrid in my old liquidmetal radical. my regular set up is usually poly mains and synthetic gut crosses. i figured if i liked it i'd string up my current racket with the same setup.Why would you bother hybriding two strings that you've never tried before as full sets? What could you possibly learn?
Maybe the M2 is perfect for you, but you're ruining it with the HC. Or vice versa. It just makes sense to play with a full set before you hybrid so you know what characteristics you're looking for from each string. The two strings in a hybrid are supposed to complement each other, offering specific benefits of each string to fill in the gaps of the other string. But it's all personal preference.
Making a hybrid out of two random strings is a recipe for disappointment.
TonyB, I have tried both the M2 in a full set as well as the Hollowcore in a full set and hybrid. I use a 63 flex frame with 16x19 pattern and am by no means a teenager. I went into the Hollowcore not having read any reviews on it here as when I try a new string I want to form my own opinion without being poisoned by others thoughts. I can tell you that IMO Hollowcore is a VERY powerfull string that showed little control in a full set or a hybrid. I strung it up at 62 in a full set and at 63 as crosses with a Poly main. I found that it moves around a lot and had very little spin capability. It is indeed very soft and responsive but I found it nearly unplayable due to the amount of power and lack of control. It even moved around a good deal in the hybrid with a poly which very few strings do. IMO there are many other Multi's, or Syn. guts out there that far exceed that quality of Hollowcore. As for the M2 I find it to be a nice string. I have not tried it in a hybrid yet as I am still happy with how it's playing as a full set. Good control, decent spin for poly, softer than many poly's and I find good feel as well. Obviously everyone likes something a little different and that is why there are so many strings out there for us to choose from. Just offering my thoughts on the strings.
Hollow core is a multi, right?
Quite honestly, this does not match my experience (and a few others) at all. Too powerful? Lack of control? Strung at 62 lb.?
I string my frames at around 50 lb. (50 mains, 48 crosses) with the HC and it STILL doesn't have too much power. I play what I would consider a "power game" with above-average topspin on both sides, but still rely heavily on touchy-feely finesse shots in doubles. If I crank my forehand up, it's unreturnable, so I know what "too much power" feels like in a string. HC is just about at the opposite end of the scale... it actually might have too LITTLE power for a syn gut. Just about every other syn gut I've ever used (Klip, Gosen, Prince, you name it) is noticebly more powerful than HC at the same tension. But since I get more control with the HC, I can live without the extra power and I have adjusted my game accordingly.
Because of the lower power, and great feel and feedback of the string, I find it to have tremendous control. Again, I'm really surprised at your experience with HC, because they do not match mine at all.
i found too much power strung at 65, i wouldn't say it was "uncontrollable" but i just couldn't hit out with the confidence that i enjoy with full poly
What about natural gut? I guarantee you 100% that any natural gut will blow HC away in terms of power. Does that mean natural gut is crap?
All I'm saying is that coming from high-tensioned poly (60+ lb. per your sig), everything will feel more powerful initially. Multis, syn guts, natural guts, whatever. Try switching to X-1 Biphase or something similar.
I just think it's funny. Finally, a string comes along that isn't just a retread of the other thousands of strings on the market, and everyone calls it crap because it doesn't play like poly (not you specifically, but others).
first off, let me apologize, as i know it sounds like i am bashing you in all of my posts, but im not!
second, Correct, I absolutely hate natural gut, too soft and too much power
third of all, i know everything else will have too much power, thats why i pretty much don't like anything but poly
and last but not least, you said earlier that it doesn't stand out in any category, it simply performs in every category. While i understand that this is important, there ARE certain qualities that, without them, I do not like the string, 3 of these are:
1. Spin: Come on, compared to an 18g poly at 60 lbs, NO 16g multi/syn gut will even compare!
2. Control: control was actually decent with hollowcore, but once again, doesn't stick out at me.
3. This is one of the most important things i look for in a string, and its rather hard to explain actually. I enjoy a string that i can feel the ball hitting the strings, thats where high tension poly wins the race for me. I don't like soft strings primarily because i just seem to rip right through the ball, and it just feels mushy to me, which i hate.
i hope this cleared up why i think how i do about hollowcore
And sure, if you need 18 gauge poly strung at high tensions to get the spin you need to play your style of tennis, then yeah, pretty much nothing else will compare. Fortunately for me, I'm perfectly fine with softer 16 gauge strings. I get all the spin I need from my technique.
Well, what racquet do you use? I chose an 18x20 racquet for the added control and lower power, and the 18g poly helps us with spin potential because an 18x20 naturally has less of it than a more open pattern.