Who thinks Fed would play better with a 95" racquet?
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Congrats to Fed for his win. It sets up a nice potential battle in the French Open since he has changed up his game a little.
I have just recently played with the K90, and I find it far better to play with. Sure, you can have some mishits, but the huge advantage of a 90 is how it feels like an extension of your arm a lot more then a 95 or more. I am making it my main stick and my racquet search is over.
While the stick is powerful, it is power that you can control. You can play with a full western grip. 2 handed backhand..whatever. I think the whole headsize thing is an overrated issue. People worry about what pro uses what, but everyone swings differently. Sampras played with an 88, and I think he would still be quite competitive even in this more modern era. I started on a 110 when I was 9 and 10 and dialed it back to a 90 by the time I was 12. It took me a while to figure out that sometimes you just have to try out what works for you even though it may defy message board opinion. At the end of the day, the stick that feels like part of your arm is the one to buy. If it is an 85, then so be it. You will play better tennis.
I have just recently played with the K90, and I find it far better to play with. Sure, you can have some mishits, but the huge advantage of a 90 is how it feels like an extension of your arm a lot more then a 95 or more. I am making it my main stick and my racquet search is over.
While the stick is powerful, it is power that you can control. You can play with a full western grip. 2 handed backhand..whatever. I think the whole headsize thing is an overrated issue. People worry about what pro uses what, but everyone swings differently. Sampras played with an 88, and I think he would still be quite competitive even in this more modern era. I started on a 110 when I was 9 and 10 and dialed it back to a 90 by the time I was 12. It took me a while to figure out that sometimes you just have to try out what works for you even though it may defy message board opinion. At the end of the day, the stick that feels like part of your arm is the one to buy. If it is an 85, then so be it. You will play better tennis.
King of Aces
Banned
I agree....Or he could just switch to a two handed backhand for those high topspin lefty shots.
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vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
How does using a larger racquet make you less tired or in better shape? So just to be clear you are saying if Federer switches to a larger racquet it won't get tired. Interesting. I never heard that Federer was out of shape before or lost matches because he was fatigued. Except when he had mono. Maybe if Federer had switched to a larger racquet that would of cleared up his mono quicker.
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I can easily see suresh writing a research article (with a sample size of 1) detailing the effects of a larger racquet curing mononucleosis, fatigue, and losing tennis matches.
King of Aces
Banned
Larger racquets require you to use less energy to hit the ball. In other words they are more powerful.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Will a larger racquet also run down balls for you too? That explains why Nadal is so quick on the court and why he is such great shape. It is the larger racquet. Forget about doing any training. If you want to get in better shape and become quicker just get a larger racquet.
Yeah his mono comes and goes depending on whether he loses or wins.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Quote of the day. I love it!
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You're just mad because Federer beat Nadal 6-4, 6-4 with his Ksix-one Tour 90. Maybe if Nadal had used a larger racquet he could have pulled it out. After all it is all about the racquet.
Nadal tanked the match in order to divert Fed away from a bigger frame. Toni lurks on this board and knows that we have been telling Federer to switch. So he speaks to his nephew and says "tank this match, no" so that Fed will stick to his old frame. Then in case he does make it to the final of RG, Nadal will be waiting to bagel him as usual.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You do know that Federer bageled Nadal on Clay in very slow heavy conditions in Hamburg in 2007. Federer beat Nadal 2-6, 6-2, 6-0:shock:. How did that bagel taste???
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Yes I know that. Nadal must have tanked that one too. Let Fed win one tourney, think his racquet is great, and get defeated where it matters (Slam).
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I am going to defend Nadal here. That guy does not tank!! Nadal has a huge heart and for you to say he tanking matches even if you are joking it shows just how shallow and empty your arguments are.
Nadal plays every point like it is match point. Just ask Djokovic. Maybe if Djokovic had a larger racquet it could have won one of those match points.
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By tank, I don't mean he does it in an obvious fashion or very deliberately. It is small things, like not moving fast to the ball, which was painfully obvious yesterday. He was just standing there. I am sure he had enough energy to expend, but didn't want to risk injury.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Fed had already switched to a 95. The problem is that there's virtually no way to tell a 95 from a 90 so nobody had picked up on it. It turns out he still lost so he now he's trying a 90 again. If he doesn't win RG this time around he is going to switch to the Wilson K Factor KThree.FX Racquet. After all, if the arguments for why Federer should switch to a larger headsize are accurate then this is the most logical choice, and besides he told me directly when I was hitting with him just a few weeks ago.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Oh so now you can read minds or you talked to Nadal before the match and he had told that he was going tank. I hope you put a lot of money on Federer then to win the match. Maybe if Nadal had a larger racquet he could move faster to the ball. So in your bizarre world Nadal gets to the Final of Madrid in his home country of Spain with thousands of Spaniards in attendance and millions watching at home but he tanks. That is some vivid imagination you have.
This is what tanking is by the ATP Tour.
h) Best Efforts
i) A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii) For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.
Your arguments have no merritt, substance, or evidence.
For you to say Nadal tank is a insult to Nadal. He does not Tank!! Maybe you tank but not Nadal.
It is amazing to me that people like you can't give credit where credit is due and admit that Nadal did not have the "Goods" yesterday.
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Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
Actually, Nads doesn't move toward what he can't reach. In other words, why try if the ball is just too good? Federer played dominating tennis Sunday. He overcame three things, Nads, clay, and the crowd to win in impressive fashion.
I certainly don't think the hometown hero is going to "not try" in front of his homers. Had he actually thought about "not trying" he would have not played 4 hrs and 2 minutes the day before against Joker.
And, I agree (as usual) with vsbabolat...there is no quit in Nads, like him or not. The guy has more heart than any two players put together on the tour. The only time I've seen him convinced he's beaten on clay is after match point. The only place I've seen him with a hang dog look prior to the actual act of losing match point is the US Open where he just seems lost.
To suggest otherwise is jest or just plain disingenuous.
nhat8121
Semi-Pro
dude, this makes no sense...please go back to do what you do best.
He finally beats Nadal on clay after two years with that 90 inch frame and people see it as some sort of vindication.
He didn't have the goods, but he didn't try hard either. If he wanted it real bad, I am sure he could have won.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Yes Nadal tried very hard to win and Nadal lost. You just can't admit it!! I understand you have to come up with some B.S. to rationalize the lost in your mind. It is the racquet, he tanked, and.... I understand your mentality all too well.
King of Aces
Banned
well actually chang was one of the first to use an extended racquet so that he could reach more balls.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Actually Chang went to the longer racquet to improve his serve. So he had more leverage. Also it was a attempt to have more leverage on all of his shots. Better penetration on his ground strokes. Not so he reach more balls. He was one if not the fastest tennis player of his era.
Also the subject is racquet head size not racquet length
P.S. Chang was not the first to use a longer length racquet. A company in the early 80's called Match Mate sold racquets that were a inch longer. Also at that same time Dunlop had a longer length racquet call the Black Max Plus. It was a longer length and had a bigger head than the regular Black Max.
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MAX PLY
Hall of Fame
Thanks for playing. Ask the man by the curtain for your Rice-A-Roni and a copy of the home game.
The most powerful frame I ever hit with was a Wilson profile.
swedechris
Banned
Federer and a 95 .. hmm.? he has always played a smaller head so his swings and shots are fullt set on that size. IMO , pure speculation though ,he would suffer on his serve and forehand and slice backhand but possibly gain a bit on the topspin backhand.. a pretty bad deal IMO.
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
Nadal is too good and he doesn't need to always win. Right on, sureshs!
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And because larger racquets are more powerful, you spend more energy generating more racquet head speed to put more spin on the ball so that you can control all that power.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Once you have mono, the virus is in your system for life. It never goes away. Same with the herpes virus. It comes and goes (e.g., cold sores, etc.)
King of Aces
Banned
King of Aces
Banned
And because larger racquets are more powerful, you spend more energy generating more racquet head speed to put more spin on the ball so that you can control all that power.
Then why dont old people all use 85 inch racquets?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
So did Nadal also tank the '06 Wimbledon final? Because Federer also served a nice tasty bagel to Nadal there as well.
So Nadal has been lying all these years that the one tournament he always dreamed about winning as a kid was Wimbledon? Not so nice of him, no?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Many do, but most don't hit the ball hard enough to need to put any spin on the ball. :-?Then why dont old people all use 85 inch racquets?
King of Aces
Banned
hmmmm....so you are saying that smaller racquets have more power than larger racquets?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What part of what you just said is not tanking?
You've just described "tanking" perfectly.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Have you passed your 4th grade reading comprehension class yet? :-?hmmmm....so you are saying that smaller racquets have more power than larger racquets?
And because larger racquets are more powerful, you spend more energy generating more racquet head speed to put more spin on the ball so that you can control all that power.
What part of what you just said is not tanking?
You've just described "tanking" perfectly.
I meant that he didn't call a trainer or limp around the place. He did it very subtly.
King of Aces
Banned
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And how many other people have beaten Nadal on clay over the past 5 years with racquets larger than 90 sq. in.?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I guess your condition is worse than I thought.hmmmm.....what didnt I comprhend?
King of Aces
Banned
How many people has federer lost to on clay who use a larger sized racquet?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Failed reading again!Unless of course Federer wins ....then he doesnt have the virus.
He ALWAYS has the virus - win or lose.
Ask anyone who has the herpes virus - same problem, it's always in your system.
