Who thinks Fed would play better with a 95" racquet?

vsbabolat

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Been there done that five million times. scroll back for my answer. I am sick of answering the same thing over and over gain......but One thing I will add ....those quotes are taken out of context and from an article which says that Federer should switch to a 95 inch racquet...nice try though.

Yes the author is of the opinion that Federer should switch to a 95 because Federer is using a 90. The author establishes with the interview of Federer that Federer switched from 85 to 90 in 2002 before the Tournament in Hamburg.

Before the interviw Mr.Seabra the author writes:
Back in the spring of 2002, Roger Federer felt his game was stagnating and he was shanking too many balls. He had been playing with the iconic but rather small 1984 Pro Staff model, one of the winningest frames in tennis history. With only subtle updates made over a decade and a half, the racquet with an 85 square-inch head had been used by champions such as Chris Evert, Stefan Edberg, Pete Sampras and Jim Courier.
The young Swiss had adopted the Pro Staff – used by his idols Edberg and Sampras – in the early 1990s, becoming junior world champion with it in 1998. But his game was different from his heroes’ – he was hitting his forehand with a lot more topspin than Sampras’s flat drives.

Watching Roger Federer play in his 1998 junior Wimbledon win and taking a closer look at him during a 1999 loss to Spain’s Joan Balcells in the first round of a Challenger in Espinho, Portugal, it was obvious the kid could play. His game flowed on the court and his classic style was already quite attractive, even if his tremendous racquet acceleration created the occasional mishit.

Federer’s transition to the pro tour was fairly rapid, and by the end of 2001 he was closing in on the top 10. But despite a landmark victory over Pete Sampras at Wimbledon, he had yet to make it past the quarterfinal of a Grand Slam. The following spring, he made a bold decision right in the middle of the clay court season – switching to a 90 square-inch version of the Pro Staff. The larger sweet spot allowed him to hit fewer balls off the frame and reduce his unforced errors.


Why can't you understand that?

You have to be dense. The full quote is there.
Here it is out of Federer's own mouth.
No, I've always been very happy,” said Federer. “I never really tried a bigger head-size racquet. I don't think it would maybe help me much.
This means Federer has not used a bigger head-size racquet (a 95). He does not think it would help him.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me.
This paragraph says that Federer switched from a 85 to a 95. Federer says here he was shanking a lot of balls with the 85 so he then changed to the 90.

“Funny, I wanted to play with the racquet of Sampras, now Sampras is playing with the racquet of me,” Federer smiled. “Kind of weird... he changed to mine now.”
This paragraph says that Federer always played with Sampras' racquet. Now Sampras is using Federer's racquet.

I still unfortunately don't think you will still be able to understand these quotes. Because of your very poor reading abilities and extremely poor reading comprehension

When Federer says "Then I changed to a 90." He starting over his thought as to why he changed to a 90 from 85. The shanking of the balls.
 
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Been there done that five million times. scroll back for my answer. I am sick of answering the same thing over and over gain......but One thing I will add ....those quotes are taken out of context and from an article which says that Federer should switch to a 95 inch racquet...nice try though.

You idiot so what the article says he should switch to 95. That implies he DOESNT use a 95.

Feds racket history that everyone knows including Fed except you and your delusional stupid 5 year old brain:

Pro staff Classic 85
Hyper Pro Staff 85
Hyper Pro Staff 90 (custom mold frame painted like the 95)
Hyper Carbon Tour 90 (paintjob of his custom 90 frame)
N six-one Ncode Tour 90 (paintjob of his custom 90 frame)
K six-one K Factor Tour 90 (paintjob of his custom 90 frame)
 

volleynets

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Here wo go again......Its like an infinite never ending circle. Here was my answwer when you posted this the last 10 ten times:

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First of all relax dude.

Second lets just look at the quote that is now part of your Avatar (I am truly honored)....

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg."-Roger Federer


I am asking you very politely and calmly to kindly point exactly where in that quote Federer says that he never played with a 95.?:confused:

Exactly where in that quote does he say that his Hyper pro staff 95 was really a paint job?:confused:

If i have said anything here that offends anyone then I apologize. But I am not going to be bullied into stating something that is just not true.

Now if you want to say that a preponderance of the evidence indictaes that Federer was using a paint job....well that may very well be....but it is NOT a fact.

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footnote....not confuse things but.....

You left out feders full quote , which you did include at first but now have very convenintly left out. His full quote was obviusly a mistake:

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me"....... Roger Federer

How do you switch from a 90 to a 90?? I believe the quote should have read like this:

“I switched from 85 to 95 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me"....... This is what Roger Federer actually meant to say


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You are so stupid. This post proves you DONT EVEN PLAY TENNIS.
If the quote read like that that would mean Federer shanked balls with a 95 more than with an 85. YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE CAN SHANK THE BALL MORE WITH A BIG RACKET? SOOOO DUMB!!!
 

LPShanet

Banned
transparent tactic. No matter what i say i will be personally attacked.

Nice try. ;)

Absolutely it's transparent. That's what everyone on the thread besides you is trying to be. It would simply demonstrate why some opinions are more worthy of trust than others. Your inexperience would be outed and everyone would stop bothering to argue with you. I'm not trying to trick you into saying anything...I'm openly asking so that it will be revealed why you have such limited knowledge of how this all works.
 

volleynets

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Absolutely it's transparent. That's what everyone on the thread besides you is trying to be. It would simply demonstrate why some opinions are more worthy of trust than others. Your inexperience would be outed and everyone would stop bothering to argue with you. I'm not trying to trick you into saying anything...I'm openly asking so that it will be revealed why you have such limited knowledge of how this all works.

Once again LPshanet, this is the same King of Aces that posted the "Monfils will beat Federer in the Semis" thread.

Not only did Federer beat Monfils earlier, but they met in the quarters. He stated they would meet in the Semis! Is that indication enough that he has no idea what he is talking about and does not research the facts from credible sources? I would at least take a look at the draw before predicting the Future of an impossible scenario. Let alone Monfils did not win a set.
 
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I would except I have no idea what you are talking about.:confused:

WHAT? you have been destroying our nerves here with your pure Stupidity and you dont even know what 16x18 means?


LPShanet.... i think we have our answer right here. lets just ignore him!
 
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crazylevity

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Here wo go again......Its like an infinite never ending circle. Here was my answwer when you posted this the last 10 ten times:

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First of all relax dude.

Second lets just look at the quote that is now part of your Avatar (I am truly honored)....

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg."-Roger Federer


I am asking you very politely and calmly to kindly point exactly where in that quote Federer says that he never played with a 95.?:confused:


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In the very next sentence in that article Federer himself says " I NEVER really tried anything bigger than that."
 
In the very next sentence in that article Federer himself says " never really tried anything bigger than that."

already covered and answered two or three times. Do you have anything new to say?

But in short summary you have taken things out of context and highlighted things to fit your purpose.

The truth is that your quote comes from a tennis magazine article that holds the proposition that Federer needs to switch to a 95 inch racquet.....thereby proving that the porposition is not all that insane as you pretend it to be,,,,,,,,unless you think Tennis mag is nuts.

Firthermore....if you had read the entire article in totality with everything else that was said you would come to the conclusion that Federer said that he never REALLY tried anything bigger.....which supports the proposition that he dabbled with a larger frame. Fuirthermore if you read on the article was clearly a typo because he says that he started with an 85 then switched to a 90 but started shanking the ball so he switched to a 90...;..that clearly does not make sense and he meant that he started with an 85 switched to a 95 and then to a custom 90 inch racquet.

But we have quite literally discussed this issue like five times already.....you just keep typig it over and over with bigger and bigger letters. Now you have even color coded it.....can you stop it now??

We understand your point of view and for th tenth time I have responded. If you have something new to say then please say it.
 
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WHAT? you have been destroying our nerves here with your pure Stupidity and you dont even know what 16x18 means?


LPShanet.... i think we have our answer right here. lets just ignore him!


Of course I know what 16 x 18 is...however I did not know the significance of that pattern in relation to the racquets until now:

There are some pictures around this forum where the HPS Tour rackets that Federer used had 16x18 string pattern - that could only be the 95" version because the 90 did NOT have a 16x 18 string pattern!!!



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Of course I know what 16 x 18 is...however I did not know the significance of that pattern in relation to the racquets until now:

There are some pictures around this forum where the HPS Tour rackets that Federer used had 16x18 string pattern - that could only be the 95" version because the 90 did NOT have a 16x 18 string pattern!!!



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would your Majesty be so kind as to show us those pics..
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
By Miguel Seabra

Six years ago, a young prospect named Roger Federer took a small 5-inch step that ended up being a giant leap in his career. Now, after a dozen major titles and 234 weeks at No. 1, it may be time for another 5-inch step – one that would better equip him to face nemesis Rafael Nadal and make the most out of the second phase of his celebrated career.

No radical changes are needed, just a small but difficult one: stop using the smallest racquet frame on tour, even though it’s the one that has guided him to 12 Grand Slam titles. Federer's racquet is extremely demanding because the tiny sweet spot affords very little margin for error, and a more forgiving stick could allow him to swing a little more freely and be a confidence booster.

A GIANT 5-INCH LEAP
Back in the spring of 2002, Roger Federer felt his game was stagnating and he was shanking too many balls. He had been playing with the iconic but rather small 1984 Pro Staff model, one of the winningest frames in tennis history. With only subtle updates made over a decade and a half, the racquet with an 85 square-inch head had been used by champions such as Chris Evert, Stefan Edberg, Pete Sampras and Jim Courier.
The young Swiss had adopted the Pro Staff – used by his idols Edberg and Sampras – in the early 1990s, becoming junior world champion with it in 1998. But his game was different from his heroes’ – he was hitting his forehand with a lot more topspin than Sampras’s flat drives.

Watching Roger Federer play in his 1998 junior Wimbledon win and taking a closer look at him during a 1999 loss to Spain’s Joan Balcells in the first round of a Challenger in Espinho, Portugal, it was obvious the kid could play. His game flowed on the court and his classic style was already quite attractive, even if his tremendous racquet acceleration created the occasional mishit.

Federer’s transition to the pro tour was fairly rapid, and by the end of 2001 he was closing in on the top 10. But despite a landmark victory over Pete Sampras at Wimbledon, he had yet to make it past the quarterfinal of a Grand Slam. The following spring, he made a bold decision right in the middle of the clay court season – switching to a 90 square-inch version of the Pro Staff. The larger sweet spot allowed him to hit fewer balls off the frame and reduce his unforced errors.

The results were almost immediate. In his second tournament with the new racquet, he won Hamburg for his first Masters Series title, producing a scintillating performance in the final against then-No. 4 Marat Safin and declaring it “the best game of my life.”

The following year he became Wimbledon champion and soon afterwards started an unparalleled run at the top of the rankings, seducing everyone with his smooth technique and exquisite timing.

There was still the occasional shanked shot, of course, particularly when he was trying to impart 4,400 rpm on his topspin forehand. After all, even with the 90 square-inch head, he was still playing with the smallest stick on the tour. Other Wilson players currently on the tour choose midsize versions between 93 and 98 square inches, and the average size of the racquets on tour is leaning towards 100 square inches.

Federer’s racquet, now called the Wilson KFactor KSix-One Tour 90, has barely changed since.

At the Australian Open, I asked him about whether he would consider making a switch. The question elicited a negative response, even though he spoke positively about his earlier change.

“No, I've always been very happy,” said Federer. “I never really tried a bigger head-size racquet. I don't think it would maybe help me much.

I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me.

“Funny, I wanted to play with the racquet of Sampras, now Sampras is playing with the racquet of me,” Federer smiled. “Kind of weird... he changed to mine now.”


Champions are stubborn and stand by their choices – maybe that’s one of the reasons they’re champions. But champions are also able to adapt to new circumstances and face the challenges of new opponents in a new era.

A slightly bigger frame with the same specs (balance, stiffness, swing weight, stringbed pattern) would keep the stability and control Federer craves, but be more forgiving and give him a bigger sweetspot. Isn’t it at least worth a try?

“ALMOST LIKE CHEATING”
Just ask Federer’s exhibition partner and friend Pete Sampras, who's admitted he regrets not experimenting with a bigger frame while he was still on tour.
Sampras played his whole glorious career with one racquet – the Wilson Pro Staff 85, strung with gut. He won his last Grand Slam at the US Open in 2002, but for some years he’d been already struggling against a new generation of players who were born clutching an oversized racquet in their hands. Apart from his famed fitness, one of the reasons Andre Agassi lasted so long on tour was that from early on in his career he used an oversized frame and was quick to convert to polyester when the Luxilon craze started.

Only recently has Sampras made the move towards a bigger size, but was able to give Federer a hard time in their exhibition matches. Much like it did for Federer, the 90-inch frame with hybrid polyester/gut stringing has helped Sampras produce more power with less effort whilst maintaining touch and a solid response. “You can still swing hard and have control,” said Sampras in San Jose. “It’s a great combination, almost like cheating!”

Though the game’s champions tend to stick to their sticks, changing to a bigger size has brought welcome results for some. The best move was probably John McEnroe’s switch from the conventional wooden Dunlop Maxply McEnroe to the Dunlop Max 200G, which helped him to his Wimbledon title in 1983 and then record the best season win-loss in men’s tennis history in 1984.

Martina Navratilova adopted a Yonex mid-plus racquet in the early 1980s that helped her dominate the tour, while Chris Evert was able to get a late surge in her career and break her rival’s utter dominance by switching to the Wilson Pro Staff 85 and going on to beat Martina at the 1985 and 1986 Roland Garros finals.

In the 1990s, Michael Chang was able to stay close to the top using an extended frame that made up for his lack of height – rather like Marion Bartoli, who uses an extended frame to make the most of her two-handed shots. Thomas Muster also got better results on faster surfaces after he started using an extended racquet, though he admitted afterwards that the same extended frame made him lose his edge on clay courts.

THE WEAPONS OF A NEW GENERATION

Federer himself describes Rafael Nadal’s game as “awkward,” and against it he – and everybody else – needs as much help as they can get.

An ailing Federer lost to a 17-year-old Nadal in Miami in 2004 the first time they met; by 2005, they had started facing each other regularly and it became clear that the Spaniard’s vicious lefty spins affected his execution not only on the baseline but also at the net or returning his slice serve on the ad court. Armed with a powerful 100 square-inch frame and using a polyester string, Rafael Nadal has developed a game style that has almost literally been molded by new technology – the modern racquet is big enough to give him margin for error even with his extreme grips and heavily topspun forehands, which are hit with an estimated 4,800 rpm (400 more than Federer’s). The power of the Babolat frame is tamed with a stiff string that tremendously enhances spin while keeping the ball within the limits of the court.

Three years into their rivalry, Roger Federer is still playing with the smallest racquet frame on tour and is no longer the dominant force he once was. He lost the epic Wimbledon final against Nadal after 4 hours and 48 minutes in dark conditions – the 10 inch. discrepancy in their racquet heads must have been more significant than ever at 9.16 pm. Could the mere five points that separated them on the Centre Court eventually have been reversed with five more square inches in Federer racquet?

The lack of square inches is even more evident on clay, especially when Nadal is hitting his high-bouncing shots to Federer’s backhand. Sampras’s Pro Staff 85 seemed too small in his Roland Garros campaigns, and these days, so does Federer’s.

Does racquet size really matter? Most professionals opt for control over power, and tend to use smaller frames than recreational players. Making the right pick depends on matching the type of racquet and style of play, plus fine-tuning of the racquet specs and string combination. A sweet spot that is five percent bigger could provide a lot more comfort, boosting the margin over error when under pressure and providing a little more power to break the best defense.

Andy Murray was spot-on at Wimbledon when he described the shanking nightmare that is facing Nadal: “He puts so much spin on the ball that it is difficult to find the middle of the racquet.”

So perhaps the first step for Federer should be not a new set of tactics or change in approach, but simply getting a bigger ‘middle of the racquet’ – a bigger sweet spot, thanks to a slightly bigger racquet.
 
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Aggro

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Surely a simple answer would be, no matter how speculated this question is. If Federer thought he would play better with a 95" racquet im sure he would change. He's doing fine with a 90"
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
“No, I've always been very happy,” said Federer. “I never really tried a bigger head-size racquet. I don't think it would maybe help me much.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me."


There is no typo this is how Federer spoke to the interviewer Miguel Seabra.

I will spoon feed KOA sentence by sentence.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg.
Federer says here that he switched from 85 to 95 in 2002 before Hamburg.

"That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls."
Federer is saying here is the switched from 85 to 90 was a big move for him because he was shanking a lot of balls with the 85.

"Then I changed to a 90."
Federer is saying here is because of the shanking of the balls with the 85 he changed to a 90.

I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me.
Federer is saying here that he requested Wilson to make a him the 90 racquet. He really likes it.
 

MAX PLY

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VS--additional excellent proof. Alas, I suspect it will be blunted by an apparent teflon skull. Just remember, "whenever they make something idiot-proof, somebody makes a better idiot!"

. . . now back to our regular programming
 
“No, I've always been very happy,” said Federer. “I never really tried a bigger head-size racquet. I don't think it would maybe help me much.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me."


There is no typo this is how Federer spoke to the interviewer Miguel Seabra.

I will spoon feed KOA sentence by sentence.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg.
Federer says here that he switched from 85 to 95 in 2002 before Hamburg.

"That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls."
Federer is saying here is the switched from 85 to 90 was a big move for him because he was shanking a lot of balls with the 85.

"Then I changed to a 90."
Federer is saying here is because of the shanking of the balls with the 85 he changed to a 90.

I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me.
Federer is saying here that he requested Wilson to make a him the 90 racquet. He really likes it.
forgget it vsbab...KoA won't understand
 
Soderling came to the net 35 times against Nadal....and he had a huge amount of serve winners.

I still stand by my statement. And I have a challenge for you......

Exactly How many times does one need to come to the net to be defined as a serve and volleyer? I think 35 plus a slew of serve winner is quite enough.
 

volleynets

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Of course I know what 16 x 18 is...however I did not know the significance of that pattern in relation to the racquets until now:

There are some pictures around this forum where the HPS Tour rackets that Federer used had 16x18 string pattern - that could only be the 95" version because the 90 did NOT have a 16x 18 string pattern!!!



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FAIL!!!!!

Provide me this picture instantly idiot. Every picture of Federer holding the racket has a 16 by 19 pattern. Dont dare post a picture of the version that was out in stores that Federer never touched in his life. Go back a few pages and you will see the pics posted of what you say was a 95. COUNT THE CROSS STRINGS and THERE ARE 19. COUNT THE MAINS AND THERE ARE 16!

YOU HAVE FAILED!!

I dare you. You are going to ignore my post. Show me this picture right now. Prove it. We proved that its a 90 with our picture evidence and interview evidence. Now YOU PROVE IT!
 
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volleynets

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Soderling came to the net 35 times against Nadal....and he had a huge amount of serve winners.

I still stand by my statement. And I have a challenge for you......

Exactly How many times does one need to come to the net to be defined as a serve and volleyer? I think 35 plus a slew of serve winner is quite enough.

Serve and volleyers try to come to the net ALMOST EVERY TIME after a serve. GO LOOK AT A SAMPRAS VIDEO ****.:shock:
 
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Ok, I haven't read through every post here.....but has it been discussed that Federer grew up using some 95 sq in Pro Staff looking thing?
 
Serve and volleyers try to come to the net EVERY TIME after a serve. GO LOOK AT A SAMPRAS VIDEO ****.:shock:

I see so lets get this straight.....

If someone does not come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME then they are not a serve and volleyer??:shock:

Woow the according to you Pete Sampras, Boris becker , Stefan Edberg are not serve and volleyrs!

Just out of curiosity can you name someone who does come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME? :confused:
 

volleynets

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I see so lets get this straight.....

If someone does not come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME then they are not a serve and volleyer??:shock:

Woow the according to you Pete Sampras, Boris becker , Stefan Edberg are not serve and volleyrs!

Just out of curiosity can you name someone who does come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME? :confused:

They attempted to come to the net at least 90% I SAID TRY TO COME TO NET EVERY TIME NOT COME TO THE NET EVERY TIME. LEARN TO READ!

YOU IGNORED MY POST TOO BECAUSE YOU FAILED!!!

Of course I know what 16 x 18 is...however I did not know the significance of that pattern in relation to the racquets until now:

There are some pictures around this forum where the HPS Tour rackets that Federer used had 16x18 string pattern - that could only be the 95" version because the 90 did NOT have a 16x 18 string pattern!!!



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FAIL!!!!!

Provide me this picture instantly idiot. Every picture of Federer holding the HPS racket has a 16 by 19 pattern.
Dont dare post a picture of the version that was out in stores that Federer never touched in his life. Go back a few pages and you will see the pics posted of what you say was a 95. COUNT THE CROSS STRINGS and THERE ARE 19. COUNT THE MAINS AND THERE ARE 16!

YOU HAVE FAILED!!

I dare you. You are going to ignore my post. Show me this picture right now. Prove it. We proved that its a 90 with our picture evidence and interview evidence. Now YOU PROVE IT!
 
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film1

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Fed knows what fits his style better than anyone.
You have to let it go, and he has great control with a smaller head.
Most of tennis is between the ears, it's not the racquet.
Player's don't switch racquets nearly as often as most people think and manufacturers want you to believe.
More importantly, I have seen too many great matches played with a ps 6.0 85 to ever question that size being large enough to beat anyone playing today meaning the 85.
If Roger played with natural gut and did not restring his racquets soon enough you would clearly see a wear pattern much smaller than the sweet spot on an 85 sq in head.
I think he plays with a racquet more like an n-code 88-90 sq in but regardless, it works great from him.
He will probably win Wimbledon and the US Open this year.
Tennis has more to do with confidence than any sport except perhaps golf, it's not about the racquet size.
 

volleynets

Hall of Fame
Fed knows what fits his style better than anyone.
You have to let it go, and he has great control with a smaller head.
Most of tennis is between the ears, it's not the racquet.
Player's don't switch racquets nearly as often as most people think and manufacturers want you to believe.
More importantly, I have seen too many great matches played with a ps 6.0 85 to ever question that size being large enough to beat anyone playing today meaning the 85.
If Roger played with natural gut and did not restring his racquets soon enough you would clearly see a wear pattern much smaller than the sweet spot on an 85 sq in head.
I think he plays with a racquet more like an n-code 88-90 sq in but regardless, it works great from him.
He will probably win Wimbledon and the US Open this year.
Tennis has more to do with confidence than any sport except perhaps golf, it's not about the racquet size.

He has a great shot at French Open as well. Thank you for your post and understanding that Fed uses 88- 90 unlike KOA.


HERE YOU GO KING OF ****S!!!!! FEDERER USING HIS CUSTOM HPS AND IT HAS 19 NOT 18 CROSSES!!!! YOU LOSE!
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LPShanet

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I see so lets get this straight.....

If someone does not come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME then they are not a serve and volleyer??:shock:

Woow the according to you Pete Sampras, Boris becker , Stefan Edberg are not serve and volleyrs!

Just out of curiosity can you name someone who does come to the net EVERY SINGLE TIME? :confused:

How about this?: In order to classify someone as ANYTHING, you'd probably want them to be doing it more than half the time. That seems reasonable, doesn't it? If you do something less than 50% of the time, it's probably not the best description for what you usually do, or how you're best described. Soderling came to net a total of 35 times in that match. (That even includes net approaches that weren't serve and volleys, so it's generous, but no matter.) They played a total of 271 points. So he approaches the net less than 13% of the time, or less than one time in every nine! Since that includes ALL net approaches, including those where he finishes off a baseline rally, those where he retrieves a drop shot and those where he's not even serving, I'd say you may need a better description for him than serve and volleyer.

(For the sake of contrast, let's take a look at a well known match between two well known players who are NOT considered serve and volleyers: last year's classic between Fed and Nadal. Fed approached the net 109 times in that match and he's not considered a serve and volleyer at all. If you break it down by sets, Soderling, your "serve and volleyer" approached the net an average of 8.7 times per set. Meanwhile Fed, who is NOT a serve and volleyer, approached the net 22 times per set.)
 
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volleynets

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How about this?: In order to classify someone as ANYTHING, you'd probably want them to be doing it more than half the time. That seems reasonable, doesn't it? If you do something less than 50% of the time, it's probably not the best description for what you usually do, or how you're best described. Soderling came to net a total of 35 times in that match. (That even includes net approaches that weren't serve and volleys, so it's generous, but no matter.) They played a total of 271 points. So he approaches the net less than 13% of the time, or less than one time in every nine! Since that includes ALL net approaches, including those where he finishes off a baseline rally, those where he retrieves a drop shot and those where he's not even serving, I'd say you may need a better description for him than serve and volleyer.

(For the sake of contrast, let's take a look at a well known match between two well known players who are NOT considered serve and volleyers: last year's classic between Fed and Nadal. Fed approached the net 109 times in that match and he's not considered a serve and volleyer at all. If you break it down by sets, Soderling, your "serve and volleyer" approached the net an average of 8.7 time per set. Meanwhile Fed, who is NOT a serve and volleyer, approached the net 22 times per set.)

King of Aces gets owned wherever he goes. All of my friends who do not play tennis know much more than he does about it. And they trust people who know more than they do unlike King of Aces. We have proven him wrong 100 times and he still comes back for more. He is the worst poster on the forum not one post of his contributes anything. All of what he says Fails and its a shame for TW.
 

LPShanet

Banned
A few more stats for you: In that same round in which Soderling beat Nadal, the following people who are NEVER called serve and volleyers approached the net a similar or greater number of times as Soderling:

Del Potro: 33
Kolschreiber: 44!
Federer: 38

Oh, and against Davydenko, Soderling only came in 13 times. There goes the serve and volleyer theory.
 

samster

Hall of Fame
King of Aces gets owned wherever he goes. All of my friends who do not play tennis know much more than he does about it. And they trust people who know more than they do unlike King of Aces. We have proven him wrong 100 times and he still comes back for more. He is the worst poster on the forum not one post of his contributes anything. All of what he says Fails and its a shame for TW.

King of Aces is here for our amusement. I certainly enjoy reading his funny posts. My favorite is this one:

Larger racquets require you to use less energy to hit the ball. In other words they are more powerful.

What is yours? Please post your favorite.
 

volleynets

Hall of Fame
King of Aces is here for our amusement. I certainly enjoy reading his funny posts. My favorite is this one:



What is yours? Please post your favorite.

He is officially my favorite poster! There should be a new thread to discuss this! My favorites are

Besides he firther adds that after that he switched to switching from an 85 he switched to a 90 was shankoing the ball and then switched to a 90.

Now thats not very hoinest Rabbit.

the true identity of Roger Federer's racquet remains a mystery to all, perhaps including Federer himself."

The third quote is the best. KingofAces is trying to say Federer does not even know what he uses from some Wikipedia article!

HAHA
 
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LPShanet

Banned
King of Aces gets owned wherever he goes. All of my friends who do not play tennis know much more than he does about it. And they trust people who know more than they do unlike King of Aces. We have proven him wrong 100 times and he still comes back for more. He is the worst poster on the forum not one post of his contributes anything. All of what he says Fails and its a shame for TW.

I woke up this morning with a fresh perspective on this thread's progression over the last few days away from its original purpose and I now have a new attitude:

Assuming that KOA isn't just troll-baiting us, and actually believes what he's posting, I'm a bit embarassed to have engaged in such an aggressive battle of wits with an unarmed person. There is a very good chance, based not only on the ridiculous content, but also on the grammar, spelling and syntax of his posts, that we are bullying a little kid or at least the intellectual equivalent. And based on the posts (e.g. see below signature line), probably one that hasn't attended school much in the recent past. I worry that instead of attending school, he may be skipping class to spend his day on the boards (and this thread in particular), and as such we are directly interfering with his basic overall education and his eventual development into (we hope with fingers crossed) a functioning adult.

I can't bear the guilt of that responsibility any longer, and will provide only the most obvious factual info (as I just did with the serve and volley nonsense), but then ignore subsequent irrelevant attempts to use infantile logic to continue arguing when the point has been made in a finite way, and everyone else sees things clearly. I suggest we all follow this procedure, and I feel that we'll be doing him a service by doing so. If we're lucky, the additional time spent in school as expected should help him understand basic principles of logic, thought and learning, so that the foolishness may decrease over time. This last bit may be overly optimistic, but I'm nothing if not positive! (I will, however, provide occasional proofreading and language corrections so that our young charge can progress with his learning while he is with us.)

Much like Rafa, his role model, our poster's most notable attribute is his steely determination. (There ya go, kid...you've just been compared to your idol...cool!) In Rafa's case, it manifests itself in a determination to play hard on every point in a match no matter what the score, and to chase every ball, no matter how far away it is. He never gives up. In KOA's case, it is reflected in an unstoppable will to keep arguing long after there is no argument left to be made, and his point has been clearly refuted. This determination in the face of overwhelming factual information and logic must be admired on some level. After all, like Rafa, he never gives up. Unfortunately, in our charge's case, this iron will far exceeds the extent of the knowledge, experience and deductive powers that accompany it, not to mention the language skills. Similarly, in tennis terms, we are certainly not dealing with anyone who has played at a serious competitive level, or coached, taught, studied or been involved with the tennis industry in any way. Nor has he ever held a pro racquet, strung or customized for the tour, or worked for any of the racquet companies, unlike a number of people on this thread. Otherwise, he would not have been so reticent to let us know of ANY qualification at all that he might hold, when we asked him for his background. We can only lead the boy to water, it's on him to drink. If he chooses not to take the knowledge being freely handed out and to abandon fact for fight, it's his choice. We just simply move on and try to help those that want to be helped.

So I suggest that, much in the same way that we admire Rafa's determination, and don't harp on Rafa's predictable and fairly average second serve, that we choose to celebrate and admire KOA's indomitable will and courage to persevere in the face of impossible tasks and ignore the fact that he's trying to slay a well-equipped and highly trained army with a spork.

In summation: Stay in school, don't do drugs, and get a haircut, kid. Good luck to you.
 
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samster

Hall of Fame
I woke up this morning with a fresh perspective on this thread's progression over the last few days away from its original purpose and I now have a new attitude:

Assuming that KOA isn't just troll-baiting us, and actually believes what he's posting, I'm a bit embarassed to have engaged in such an aggressive battle of wits with an unarmed person. There is a very good chance, based not only on the ridiculous content, but also on the grammar, spelling and syntax of his posts, that we are bullying a little kid or at least the intellectual equivalent. And based on the posts (e.g. see below signature line), probably one that hasn't attended school much in the recent past. I worry that instead of attending school, he may be skipping class to spend his day on the boards (and this thread in particular), and as such we are directly interfering with his basic overall education and his eventual development into (we hope with fingers crossed) a functioning adult.

I can't bear the guilt of that responsibility any longer, and will provide only the most obvious factual info (as I just did with the serve and volley nonsense), but then ignore subsequent irrelevant attempts to use infantile logic to continue arguing when the point has been made in a finite way, and everyone else sees things clearly. I suggest we all follow this procedure, and I feel that we'll be doing him a service by doing so. If we're lucky, the additional time spent in school as expected should help him understand basic principles of logic, thought and learning, so that the foolishness may decrease over time. This last bit may be overly optimistic, but I'm nothing if not positive! (I will, however, provide occasional proofreading and language corrections so that our young charge can progress with his learning while he is with us.)

Much like Rafa, his role model, our poster's most notable attribute is his steely determination. (There ya go, kid...you've just been compared to your idol...cool!) In Rafa's case, it manifests itself in a determination to play hard on every point in a match no matter what the score, and to chase every ball, no matter how far away it is. He never gives up. In KOA's case, it is reflected in an unstoppable will to keep arguing long after there is no argument left to be made, and his point has been clearly refuted. This determination in the face of overwhelming factual information and logic must be admired on some level. After all, like Rafa, he never gives up. Unfortunately, in our charge's case, this iron will far exceeds the extent of the knowledge, experience and deductive powers that accompany it, not to mention the language skills. Similarly, in tennis terms, we are certainly not dealing with anyone who has played at a serious competitive level, or coached, taught, studied or been involved with the tennis industry in any way. Nor has he ever held a pro racquet, strung or customized for the tour, or worked for any of the racquet companies, unlike a number of people on this thread. Otherwise, he would not have been so reticent to let us know of ANY qualification at all that he might hold, when we asked him for his background. We can only lead the boy to water, it's on him to drink. If he chooses not to take the knowledge being freely handed out and to abandon fact for fight, it's his choice. We just simply move on and try to help those that want to be helped.

So I suggest that, much in the same way that we admire Rafa's determination, and don't harp on Rafa's predictable and fairly average second serve, that we choose to celebrate and admire KOA's indomitable will and courage to persevere in the face of impossible tasks and ignore the fact that he's trying to slay a well-equipped and highly trained army with a spork.

In summation: Stay in school, don't do drugs, and get a haircut, kid. Good luck to you.

You are a gentleman and a scholar, always encouraging the younglings to stay in school and be persistent to be the best one can be.
 
They attempted to come to the net at least 90% I SAID TRY TO COME TO NET EVERY TIME NOT COME TO THE NET EVERY TIME. LEARN TO READ!


OK just to be clear...a serve and volleyer is only someone who comes to the net 90 percent of the time?

I dont think that even Pete Sampras came to the net 90 percent of the time!!! In fact I dont think anyone in the history of tennis came to the net 90 percent of the time......please show us someone.

And what oif someone comes to the net 85% of the time.....dopes that not make them a serve and volleyer ?:confused:
 
There is a very good chance, based not only on the ridiculous content, but also on the grammar, spelling and syntax of his posts, that we are bullying a little kid

Or someone that is using a freaking Iphone !!!

Its not easy responding to so many people so quickly with an Iphone.

The keyboard is really too small fo my fingers plus it has a word recognition program that is really a pain.

So the next time you guys freak out at a typo have a little respect and understanding for how well I am actually doing .
 
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I counted 18.- that could only be the 95" version because the 90 did NOT have a 16x 18 string pattern!!!


Federer_tenis.JPG

Oh FFS...

THAT IS THE 85with a 16x18 and HPS PJ prior to his change to the 90 with 16x19. of course you are going to count 18 crosses!


NOTICE THE BOX BEAM CONSTRUCTION... THE 95 IS NOT A BOX BEAM FRAME!

HOW hard is it to get into that thick skull
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
The Pro Staff 85 has a 16x18 string pattern, a 17mm beam, and a 85sq.in head size.

KoA's favorite photo is Federer using the Pro Staff 85 with the paint job of the Hyper Pro Staff 6.0 95.

The Hyper Pro Staff 6.0 95 has a much thicker 22mm beam width and a bigger head than the 85. KoA knows absolutely nothing about tennis racquets as he has proven through out this thread so well.

Besides Federer said:
“No, I've always been very happy,” said Federer. “I never really tried a bigger head-size racquet. I don't think it would maybe help me much.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg. That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls. Then I changed to a 90. I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me."


There is no typo this is how Federer spoke to the interviewer Miguel Seabra.

I will spoon feed KOA sentence by sentence.

“I switched from 85 to 90 back in 2002 just before I won Hamburg.
Federer says here that he switched from 85 to 95 in 2002 before Hamburg.

"That was for me a big move because I was really shanking a lot of balls."
Federer is saying here is the switched from 85 to 90 was a big move for him because he was shanking a lot of balls with the 85.

"Then I changed to a 90."
Federer is saying here is because of the shanking of the balls with the 85 he changed to a 90.

I asked Wilson to make something special for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a great racquet for me.
Federer is saying here that he requested Wilson to make a him the 90 racquet. He really likes it.
 
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vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
So far Soderling has yet to serve and volley against Gonzo.

To be a Serve and volleyer one must serve, then run up to the net, and hit the volley right after the serve. Not serve bash a few ground strokes, when a ball floats to the service line hit the ball to the corner, and maybe if the ball comes back hit a volley.

A example of a Serve and volleyer is Patrick Rafter.
 
The Pro Staff 85 has a 16x18 string pattern, a 17mm beam, and a 85sq.in head size.


I will only respond to the parts of your quote that have not been discussed five million times. You attempt to distort what has been discussed already because people wont scroll back is transparent.

Yes the Pro Staff was a 16 x 18 string pattern......So that proves that the photo of Federer with a 95 inch racquet was either exactly that or an 85 inch.

But it does prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was clearly NOT a 90 inch.

Therefore the only issue left is whether or not Federers 95 inch racquet was exactly that or whether it was a paint job. No one knows exactly for sure.
 

LPShanet

Banned
Or someone that is using a freaking Iphone !!!

Its not easy responding to so many people so quickly with an Iphone.

The keyboard is really too small fo my fingers plus it has a word recognition program that is really a pain.

So the next time you guys freak out at a typo have a little respect and understanding for how well I am actually doing .

<<Or someone that is using a freaking iPhone !!![/SIZE][/B]

Its not easy responding to so many people so quickly with an iPhone.

The keyboard is really too small for my fingers plus it has a word recognition program that is really a pain.

So the next time you guys freak out at a typo have a little respect and understanding for how well I am actually doing .>>

Does your school really allow you to be on the phone while in class? Turn it off and pay attention.
 
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LPShanet

Banned
OK just to be clear...a serve and volleyer is only someone who comes to the net 90 percent of the time?

I dont think that even Pete Sampras came to the net 90 percent of the time!!! In fact I dont think anyone in the history of tennis came to the net 90 percent of the time......please show us someone.

And what oif someone comes to the net 85% of the time.....dopes that not make them a serve and volleyer ?:confused:

No, as discussed above, a reasonable level would be more than half the time. That's 50% in case percentages/fractions haven't been covered yet in school (or you missed it while out working on this thread). Soderling stayed back more than 8 out of 9 times in the match where he approached THE MOST. Clearly not a serve and volleyer.

And watch out for those rogue "o's" (e.g. "oif" "shankoing", etc.) Back to class with you.
 
No, as discussed above, a reasonable level would be more than half the time. That's 50% in case percentages/fractions haven't been covered yet in school (or you missed it while out working on this thread). Soderling stayed back more than 8 out of 9 times in the match where he approached THE MOST. Clearly not a serve and volleyer.

And watch out for those rogue "o's" (e.g. "oif" "shankoing", etc.) Back to class with you.


Its about as clear as muddy water.

Soderling did NOT stay back 8 out of ione times!

First of all he came to the net 35 times.....who else comes to the net that much on red clay against Rafael Nadal?

Second he like 68 percent or something serve winners. No reason to come to the net if you have already won the point!!!

Third....Did you expect him to rush the net on Nadals serve games?? #5 toimes is aproximately once a serve game. Now subtract serve winners from that and thats a whole lot of serve and volleying on clay .

fourth....what about second serves??? do you expect him to volley thoswe as well?? 35 times to the net on clay is a LOT... Even Pete Sampras, known for his great serve and volley game, did not always come to the net behind the serve on slower courts, particularly on the second serve
 
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No, as discussed above, a reasonable level would be more than half the time. That's 50% in case percentages/fractions haven't been covered yet in school (or you missed it while out working on this thread). Soderling stayed back more than 8 out of 9 times in the match where he approached THE MOST. Clearly not a serve and volleyer.

And watch out for those rogue "o's" (e.g. "oif" "shankoing", etc.) Back to class with you.


Its about as clear as muddy water.

Soderling did NOT stay back 8 out of nine times!

First of all he came to the net 35 times.....who else comes to the net that much on red clay against Rafael Nadal?

Second he like 68 percent or something serve winners. No reason to come to the net if you have already won the point!!!

Third....Did you expect him to rush the net on Nadals serve games?? #5 toimes is aproximately once a serve game. Now subtract serve winners from that and thats a whole lot of serve and volleying on clay .

fourth....first you giys say for sopmeone to come to the net it has to be every time, then it changes to 90 percent of the time and now 50%. Make up your minds!
 
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