it's cerrtainly not as good and efficiant as a gamma x-2
it's cerrtainly not as good and efficiant as a gamma x-2
Hahah I joke, I joke. I've been string with it for like 9 months and my time with it is like 20 minutes and that machine is all i really know. I wonder what my time would be with a *real* stringer......:shock: :shock: ¿¡que?!
Hahah I joke, I joke. I've been string with it for like 9 months and my time with it is like 20 minutes and that machine is all i really know. I wonder what my time would be with a *real* stringer......
Drak - the question is, what are you doing with your Neos?
How much faster is say an electric tensioning system with a 6 point than my trusty x-2?LOL, skyzoo! You do have a "real stringer', and if it works for you, and does a good job>>> that's all that matters.
In my case, when I got back in the game, and eventually began breaking strings very quickly, I just couldn't justify spending close to $100.00 a week taking it to a tennis shop. Already previously knowing how to string and having lots of experience, I purchased a SP electric stringer that did a good job. Since then, I've begun to string more and more for others, and the SP was too tiring to do so many frames. I wanted to buy a star 3 or neos, and luckily found a neos for $300.00 in great condition, but kept looking for a 3, when I decided I'd rather have the 4. So, here I am with a star 4, and neos (as backup), and very happy.
Stringing, whether on a high-end machine, or lower-end is alot about the pilot, and not equipment.
have fun.
I am hoping to. I missed out on 3 Neos 1000's in the last year for $400 each. Still kicking myself.
Was going to buy the Alpha Pioneer, but they're out of stock until likely November.
How much faster is say an electric tensioning system with a 6 point than my trusty x-2?
Hmmm. I'll shoot you an email.
Looks great!
Is that lead tape around the tool tray?
It's probaly to even out the balance of the machine.
Nah, drakulie probably misunderstood the myth about swingweight and maneuverability, and was disillusioned enough to put it on there. (yes, i read the thread)
Great early insights. All makes perfect sense. You will find give and takes obviously from all top level machines. I think you will that you quickly get use to the 6 point mounting system. The Ektelon/Neos machies are great and real workhorses, but I think the Babolat type machines can provide greater consistency from the features that you reference - clamps, tensioning, knot feature, etc.[/QUOTE
And thus superior 'sameness'?? BHBH
And thus superior 'sameness'?? BHBH
hahaha. Good observation. Heard you are having some problems with the feet. Hope all gets better.
Thanks!
Yes, I had a strange cellulitis (infection of the skin) last month that took four rounds of antibiotics to clear. Then I developed a mild (thankfully!) case of plantar fascitis last week, only to have the cellulitis recur. I've been resting the foot, icing, and taking a new antibiotic. Hopefully I will be 'all go' for tennis in NYC this weekend!
Best,
BHBH
Bump. Drak, did you ever get a chance to do this? No rush but I am interested in your findings/opinions. Thanks.
it's cerrtainly not as good and efficiant as a gamma x-2
Sounds like something Bud would say!
Max, I'll have it up in the next few days. Thanks for your patience.
Hey Drakulie,Can I ask you a question do you live in the Ft Lauderdale Tennis Club.the reason I ask is because a friend of mine has a place down there.He goes down in Dec to May.Maybe you know him,his name is George Millman from New Jersey.Can you tell me your name so I can see if he knows you.We always talk about the tennis club there.Thanks
Great review Drak! Very thorough and well organized. I agree with your evaluation. There are definitely tradeoffs among the top tier machines. Too bad that "demo" programs are not available when making a stringing machine purchase! Comparative reviews of this nature would be great to add to the site that pictures all of the stringing machines.
Nice for the comparison Drak - I definitely need to lower the tension next time-
Thanks so much. Pretty much my assessment as well. Continued good luck with your stringing and your tennis.
Hey, max. Your welcome. Anything you would add, change about your assessment???
Thanks.
Ahh, sorry to hear. Is the string too stiff for you? I'm stringing for one guy who I recommended he try the Big Ace (he didn't like the Lux Prices), and he loves it. He is using it in a hybrid strung at 59 in a liquid metal radical mp. He is using the 17 gauge.
Anyway, hope you have been able to get in more hits. Your wife told me you were really busy, and hadn't been able to play much.
No, not at all. Despite being a long time Ektelon/Neos user, I was glad you made the point about ghosting--it doesn't seem to affect playability but even as finely tuned as I think I have my machine, I still end up with more ghosting on softer strings (gut, NXT, etc.) than I would prefer. I know Prince incorporates the diablo on their electronic machines--it would be nice if they would also do it with the 1000.
I was a little amused on your point about the "physical toll" the Neos takes--I must have used one way too long because I don't think I move around that much but I suspect you are right in relative terms. Thanks again.
I like the string a lot - your tension is probably more accurate and seems to be tighter than MP - and I had no idea what the tension on this was on the other frames I had been playing with and now it seems obvious it was considerably looser and that a couple pound drop is in order - Basically stuck playing matches with no practice due to the work schedule. Results are not surprising although last night was a good match -
First off congrats on the Star 4, that is a really nice looking machine...Do you still have the NEOS and if so are you looking to sell it?? If so I would be very interested in it. Let me know
my problems were the baseclamps were sliding when i tried to pull crosses ~60lbs. i ended up finding the hex hole to adjust the clamp's tightness after removing a babolat stamp on top of the base clamp.
I’ve had the machine for a bit over a month now, and have strung well over 50 frames. The following are my thoughts comparing stringing on this machine, vs. the venerable Ektelon Neos 1000.
Starting at the beginning of a string job, setting tensioning on the Star 4 is not only faster, but much easier and efficient, compared to the tensioning knob of the Neos. The Star 4 uses a digital display with buttons that enable the user to easily move tension higher and/or lower. With a touch of the button, you could increase/decrease desired tension in values of one increment per touch. If you hold down the button, it will go by value of 2 increments. The Neos is dependent on one turning a knob over and over, until the desired tension is reached. Once the string job is completed, the tension knob should be set back to zero in order to alleviate strain on the spring used. This is not necessary on the Star 4. Just turn off the machine, and you’re done. When turned back on, the last set tension is displayed.
Mounting/dismounting is much, much easier with the Neos. The Neos’ simplicity in mounting a frame I don’t think will ever be improved on. Place the frame on the posts, clamp it and you’re done. The star 4 requires one to mount the frames on what Babolat calls a 10 point mounting system; 4 arms that secure the frame near the throat, and head (approx 2, 4, 8, and 10 o’clock), and two billiards that secure it at 12 and 6 o’clock respectively. One has to turn knobs to adjust the arms, and billiards. This is not only a slower mounting system, but a bit trickier, as it requires the user to leave the frame in an almost “floating” mode. Of course, dismounting the frame is also easier on the Neos. Just reverse the process in two easy steps, and you’re done.
When completing mains/crosses, the mount arms of the star 4 tend to get in the way, compared to the Neos having nothing in the way, which makes for a bit of a smoother ride on the Neos. This is especially magnified when completing crosses. When weaving, having no arms in the way ala the Neos makes it much easier, and allows for more space to move your arms/hands underneath the frame. In addition to the Neos having no arms in the way, the center clamps of the Neos being at a angle when clamping the string, rather than upright like the star 4 allow one to have more room to work underneath the frame. However, once one makes a slight adjustment on the way they string, both are very easy to string on, with the Neos having the edge.
The clamps of the star 4, when compared to the Neos have almost zero draw-back. They are also much more maneuverable, which makes them easier to get into the tighter spaces, especially when completing the frame near the throat. The holding power of the star 4 clamps is also superior. With hardly any “pinch/pressure” the string stays put, which results in less marking of the string, or “ghosting”. However, the act of positioning the clamps on the glide bar under the string on the Neos is much easier and faster, compared to the star 4, as is the act of clamping the string. With the Neos, one single lever clamps the string, and locks the clamp to the glide bar, where as with the Star 4, there is two actions required; Clamping the string, and then locking the clamp base. To unclamp the string, the action is reversed, which gives the edge to the Neos in this department.
Moving on to the tension head, I give the edge to the Star 4. With the aid of the Diablo, there is way less stress on the string, and again, hardly any “ghosting”. The star 4 also has a function where the speed of the pull is changed with a push of one button. Slow, medium, and fast pull. This results in a much more consistent pull from string to string. There is also a “Kevlar” function to adjust the pull when completing strings with hardly any stretch to them, such as Kevlar, or poly strings. With these aids, which take human error out of the equation, along with the speed one can reach when setting the string on the tension unit, and in one easy step letting the unit tension the string, it provides for a very quick set of the string to be clamped. Way faster, safer, and smoother on the Star 4.
Some other things to note:
- The Star 4 has no need for pulling off the clamps and re-setting them to complete crosses. The clamping system of the star 4 allows for fan pattern frames/badminton frames to be completed without the use of a flying clamp. The Star 4 includes a “Tie-off” button, which is an invaluable extra, as is the cross button.
- In regards to the tool tray, I prefer the Neos as it has two trays (one underneath the frame, and a second larger unit underneath the first tray). The Star 4, although has a nice sized tray, is not as comfortable to use. For example, my string bed cutters fit on the tray, but then some of the tools I use have to be placed under or over the cutters, which makes access a bit of a pain. However, the Star 4 does have a small second tray next to the digital display unit that allows one to place/push awls in the designated holes. There are 4 holes for awls. I end up using this for the awls, and a place to secure the two starting clamps I use. The other tool tray is used for cutters, pliers, nail clippers, and some of the extra billiards.
- Turn table lock of star 4 is superior, and much easier to use. Not much to be said here. Anyone who has completed an O Port frame on a Neos, knows what a pain it is to lock/unlock the turntable. The star 4 is so easy in comparison. One half turn of a knob, which takes hardly any effort and table is locked/unlocked.
Hope you all enjoyed, and thanks for your patience.
- Last thing I want to touch on is how I feel (physically) when completing a frame. I hadn’t realized until stringing exclusively on the Star 4, how much more energy it takes to string on the Neos. Although the Neos is very easy to string on, and super fast, there is still a lot more movement going on with my arms, positioning my feet, etc. With the Star 4, I’m hardly moving my feet/torso at all, and barely moving my arms. Just stand in one place, and get going, which I have never found to be possible with the Neos. Everything is purposely placed to allow the user to minimize all movement, and use as little effort in completing a string job. When doing 5-6, or 9 frames in one day, I am way less tired when stringing on the Star 4, as opposed to the Neos.
Bud, Yes>>> I'm loving the Star 4.
I had a neos 1000 before the star 4. (still have it).
I find when stringing 7-9 frames, I feel less tired when stringing on the Star 4. I posted a little about this earlier. One of the things I noted was that I move around way more on the Neos than on the star 4.
Here is my review comparing the two: